Thread: Becoming A Teacher Is A Dead End In This Economy

Originally Posted by miguelina

I pray for union reform also. Unions must go back to protecting the legal American worker, not out to enrich themselves. Union bosses are no different than company CEO's, all they are interested in is what they can take. I say they need to go.

I stand with Scott Walker.

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You'd better be praying for a mighty big miracle then. School unions are among the most ardent sponsors of illegal alien students. The more illegal alien students there are, the more money the unions get.

Seriously, this is exactly how it is.

Originally Posted by oldguy

Discipline was expected and given for wrong doing but used with common sense. Children now are treated as adults and feel they deserve that treatment, being friends with the teacher is not part of the game in my opinion.

Now discipline is out the window. Since the amount of discipline issues is part of school professional evaluations by the State and FED teachers are strongly encouraged to not send kids to the office. Send them to the office too much and you are evaluated poorly because you lack classroom management and in danger of losing your job. Ok, so call home and ask for help and see what parents tell you.......if they speak English they don't care and threaten so have your job for accusing their kid of something the kid says he would not do. Denial is very high among most parents, all the way to the front door of the jail.

Originally Posted by HAPPY2BME

God knows our public education system needs teachers of integrity and morality. If you want to do it, just know what you are up against and pick the school you work at wisely.

Public schools are ultra-liberal and increasingly more violent towards teachers.

Fortunately education is FULL of teachers of integrity and morality. It just we get over looked and never mentioned. It if the very few odd balls and the fruit cakes that the media love to point out.

Originally Posted by HAPPY2BME

A teacher friend of mine for over three decades just sent me this:

I am a retired teacher who was in the classroom for 33 1/2 years. During that time I saw the teaching profession being taken over by "progressivism" and the unions and the ability to discipline children disappear. Self-esteem took precedence over learning. In my opinion, the present school system is ridiculous. It is way past time for a wake-up call in the educational arena.

At the college level, the professors are more engaged in promoting "globalism" and closed-mindedness than rigor in separate disciplines.

How true. But it's not teachers it is the people who keep trying the soup of the day educational model out as experiments on our kids that are screwing it all up. It is standardized testing with big money tied to it and special interest groups/lobbyist. Person Education is a BIG example. Do some digging and find out how close they are to our government and how much control they have over education and our tax dollars.

Originally Posted by HAPPY2BME

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

But still personally myself and my wife is also toying with the idea of going into education. I'd personally work for a private school as I'd probably beat the crap out of a smart a$$ student who's extremely disrespectful w/o a parent who cares and nothing I could do to punish besides.

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God knows our public education system needs teachers of integrity and morality. If you want to do it, just know what you are up against and pick the school you work at wisely.

Public schools are ultra-liberal and increasingly more violent towards teachers.

Hense why I'd work in a Private School. I'd want the ability to teach how I wish and not be forced to cater to idiocy. If I showed both sides of the coin and explained each fairly I won't allow myself to be critisized because I'm not favoring liberalism and stupidity. If I teach my students how to debate an issue and weigh the pro's and the cons I won't take crap saying I'm not supporting liberalism idiocy again.

Every solid issue you weigh the liberalism side is really flawed usually w/o even a mecriocre arguement to support it. Yet you weigh general conservative and moderate democrat ideals and there is often 2 sides to the coin.

Here is a great example of what teachers have to put up with for $45K a year. Many times administrators do nothing as they don't want the discipline record going against them. We also don't want to get rid of a kid like this one because it is a loss of federal and state money. So we keep them in mainstream classes where dealing with issues like this keep all kids in the class from getting and education. This is the life of so many teachers.

8-year-old Riverside Elementary student arrested – for fifth time

By Anika Myers Palm, Orlando Sentinel

3:00 p.m. EST, February 25, 2011


The photo looks innocent enough: an 8-year-old boy with a stare indicating that he'd rather be anyplace else than in front of the camera.

But this picture is different. It's actually a mug shot taken when the boy was arrested and placed in handcuffs — something that's happened to him five times in the past four months — for battering a school employee.

The Orlando Sentinel is not naming the boy because of his age.

On Tuesday morning, the boy fought another student in his Riverside Elementary School classroom and then left the campus with a school employee following him, according to the Sheriff's Office incident report.

At one point, he returned to campus, jumped a 4-foot-tall chain-link fence and found several large wooden sticks that he then threw at school behavioral specialist Tawny Chiuchiarelli, striking her at least once, but not injuring her.

The boy then picked up a piece of galvanized pipe that he threw in Chiuchiarelli's direction.

He was charged with battery on a school employee, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and disruption of an educational institute.

Records show that the boy, a special-education student, has become increasingly violent toward teachers and destroyed school property more than once in the past few weeks.

The Florida Department of Children and Families reports that it responded to the boy's home in December after a report about a physical injury to him, but the case was closed because there was not enough evidence to prove that the injury happened because of abuse, abandonment or neglect.

The boy's first two arrests came in November and December. Both times he hit and kicked school employees. On Nov. 10, he threw punches and kicks while yelling "Take me to jail." On Dec. 10, he broke one classroom window with his hands, tried to break others and kicked and hit members of the school's staff.

On Jan. 4, special-education teacher David Chesmel Jr. tried to stop the boy when he began throwing books, chairs and desks at his classmates. The 85-pound, 4-foot, 8-inch boy struck the 6-foot,1-inch Chesmel with a chair and other items. The boy also punched Chesmel and chased and threatened other students.

Chiuchiarelli said the boy punched and kicked her before other school employees were able to subdue him and take him to a separate room, where he began to try to rip computer wires from the walls.

He then began punching and kicking her again and also attacked behavioral tech Savenia Laster.

Assistant principal Patricia Ius, who said the boy also kicked her in the face that day, determined that it would cost about $1,000 to repair the damage the boy did to the room.

That time, he was accused of aggravated battery on a school employee and three counts of battery on a school employee.

When informed about his behavior after the January incident, the boy's mother said he doesn't act out at home, according to the incident report.

In a similar Feb. 8 incident, an Orange County deputy responded to Riverside in response to a report that the boy had caused a disruption and walked off-campus. School employees again followed him to monitor his safety.

The deputy found the boy two streets away from the campus about 10:40 a.m. and placed him in a patrol vehicle to return him to school.

When the deputy and boy returned to the school, they met with the principal and several other school officials.

Chesmel said he had been teaching a class when the boy became frustrated and started to throw things around the classroom. The boy then kicked Chesmel, according to the sheriff's office report. When Chesmel tried to stop the boy, he bit Chesmel on the left knee and kicked him on the left shin, according to the Sheriff's Office incident report.

He also kicked Chiuchiarelli again before leaving the campus. Several school employees followed him.

The boy said he acts out because he gets angry when adults don't read to him or do something else he wants them to do, according to the incident report.

apalm@tribune.com or 407-420-5022

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 4851.story

Originally Posted by bigtex

Here is a great example of what teachers have to put up with for $45K a year. Many times administrators do nothing as they don't want the discipline record going against them. We also don't want to get rid of a kid like this one because it is a loss of federal and state money. So we keep them in mainstream classes where dealing with issues like this keep all kids in the class from getting and education. This is the life of so many teachers.

8-year-old Riverside Elementary student arrested – for fifth time

By Anika Myers Palm, Orlando Sentinel

3:00 p.m. EST, February 25, 2011


The photo looks innocent enough: an 8-year-old boy with a stare indicating that he'd rather be anyplace else than in front of the camera.

But this picture is different. It's actually a mug shot taken when the boy was arrested and placed in handcuffs — something that's happened to him five times in the past four months — for battering a school employee.

The Orlando Sentinel is not naming the boy because of his age.

On Tuesday morning, the boy fought another student in his Riverside Elementary School classroom and then left the campus with a school employee following him, according to the Sheriff's Office incident report.

At one point, he returned to campus, jumped a 4-foot-tall chain-link fence and found several large wooden sticks that he then threw at school behavioral specialist Tawny Chiuchiarelli, striking her at least once, but not injuring her.

The boy then picked up a piece of galvanized pipe that he threw in Chiuchiarelli's direction.

He was charged with battery on a school employee, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and disruption of an educational institute.

Records show that the boy, a special-education student, has become increasingly violent toward teachers and destroyed school property more than once in the past few weeks.

The Florida Department of Children and Families reports that it responded to the boy's home in December after a report about a physical injury to him, but the case was closed because there was not enough evidence to prove that the injury happened because of abuse, abandonment or neglect.

The boy's first two arrests came in November and December. Both times he hit and kicked school employees. On Nov. 10, he threw punches and kicks while yelling "Take me to jail." On Dec. 10, he broke one classroom window with his hands, tried to break others and kicked and hit members of the school's staff.

On Jan. 4, special-education teacher David Chesmel Jr. tried to stop the boy when he began throwing books, chairs and desks at his classmates. The 85-pound, 4-foot, 8-inch boy struck the 6-foot,1-inch Chesmel with a chair and other items. The boy also punched Chesmel and chased and threatened other students.

Chiuchiarelli said the boy punched and kicked her before other school employees were able to subdue him and take him to a separate room, where he began to try to rip computer wires from the walls.

He then began punching and kicking her again and also attacked behavioral tech Savenia Laster.

Assistant principal Patricia Ius, who said the boy also kicked her in the face that day, determined that it would cost about $1,000 to repair the damage the boy did to the room.

That time, he was accused of aggravated battery on a school employee and three counts of battery on a school employee.

When informed about his behavior after the January incident, the boy's mother said he doesn't act out at home, according to the incident report.

In a similar Feb. 8 incident, an Orange County deputy responded to Riverside in response to a report that the boy had caused a disruption and walked off-campus. School employees again followed him to monitor his safety.

The deputy found the boy two streets away from the campus about 10:40 a.m. and placed him in a patrol vehicle to return him to school.

When the deputy and boy returned to the school, they met with the principal and several other school officials.

Chesmel said he had been teaching a class when the boy became frustrated and started to throw things around the classroom. The boy then kicked Chesmel, according to the sheriff's office report. When Chesmel tried to stop the boy, he bit Chesmel on the left knee and kicked him on the left shin, according to the Sheriff's Office incident report.

He also kicked Chiuchiarelli again before leaving the campus. Several school employees followed him.

The boy said he acts out because he gets angry when adults don't read to him or do something else he wants them to do, according to the incident report.

apalm@tribune.com or 407-420-5022

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 4851.story

The problem is they let it continue bad behavior needs to be dealt with these children need to expelled from the system. Since when is it the teachers responsibility or the schools. it is the parents if these parents are made to deal with these children there would be less bad behavior, and they will deal with them if they are sent home. My tax dollars aren't paid for schools to put up with this. I didn't dare misbehave in school I feared the consequences.

As far as teaching being a dead end job...I would say and hope that BAD teaching is a dead end job.


Kathyet

If Mayor Bloomingidiot gets his way here and teacher tenure is revoked I bet a large number of older elementary school teachers who only speak English will loose their jobs.

I haven't read any article that addresses that possibility but I believe it is the reality!

Originally Posted by Ratbstard

If Mayor Bloomingidiot gets his way here and teacher tenure is revoked I bet a large number of older elementary school teachers who only speak English will loose their jobs.

I haven't read any article that addresses that possibility but I believe it is the reality!

Don't forget to add our Secretary of Education Arne Duncan to this list.