Thread: Chris Mathews' round table: "AMNESTY THIS YEAR!"

On his Sunday morning show his "question of the week" was about Bush traveling to Arizona to push for "immigration reform". And he asked "will Bush get his bill this year?"

...and everyone of them said "YES, with little republican support."

One guest even said that the bill would be "a lot worse than he would've gotten last year, but he's more concerned about his 'legacy' at this point."

...and everyone of them said "YES, with little republican support."

I don't believe it's going to pass--too hot for the Dems, too. If the dems pass it, it will be the end of their party in the Senate, if not the House, and all along, I thought it would be the Republicans who would go down!

Why would the Democrats think this is a winning issue? It crosses party lines! I'm calling Dems tomorrow and I'm going to hit it from the fiscal angle. And, ask them if they've seen a cost analysis from the CBO.

Chris Matthews....The Irish Called

Chris Mattews the Irish called
Right after your latest shameful ambush attack
And they wanted any claim you might have
Ever made to possessing manhood back

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Matthews isn't hard hitting
He's a disgusting merchant of slime
He deserves to get that smug look
Slapped off his face sometime

Matthews doesn't play hard ball
He plays fast and loose
His whole goal is to stick
His guest's neck in a noose

By talking loud and louder
By being abrupt and rude
By deliberately misleading
Or being blatantly crude

He counts on not getting
Punched in the face
He has no respect for truth
Manners or grace

He's abrasive and arrogant
Disengenuous beyond belief
He loves to provoke and irritate
Whatever causes the most grief

He's nobody's journalist
Although he claims it as his work
Every day more and more
He reveals himself to be

An unrepentant jerk


Neils
12:20 am
8/21/2004
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transcribed this time
10:09 am
0408/2007



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olivermyboy wrote:

I don't believe it's going to pass--too hot for the Dems, too. If the dems pass it, it will be the end of their party in the Senate, if not the House, and all along, I thought it would be the Republicans who would go down!

That is exactly why the bill must have adequate Republican support to be successful. The Democrats know an amnesty bill without Republican support would be virtual suicide for the party. That's also why the first step was important - that step being a bill written by a Democrat and Republican (Guiterrez & Flake). Furthermore, that is why it was hoped there would be a McCain/Kennedy bill in the Senate. Trust me, the state gifts (pork), promises, arm twistings, and threats are happening as we speak. All we can do is keep the pressure turned up and hope our representatives are listening to "we" the people.

Originally Posted by MW

olivermyboy wrote:


That is exactly why the bill must have adequate Republican support to be successful. The Democrats know an amnesty bill without Republican support would be virtual suicide for the party. That's also why the first step was important - that step being a bill written by a Democrat and Republican (Guiterrez & Flake). Furthermore, that is why it was hoped there would be a McCain/Kennedy bill in the Senate. Trust me, the state gifts (pork), promises, arm twistings, and threats are happening as we speak. All we can do is keep the pressure turned up and hope our representatives are listening to "we" the people.

Very insightful comment. I'd like to focus on the pork in the bill. The Guru-Flake bill is 697 pages long. Hardly anybody, if anybody, has read the whole thing. A bill that long has got to be full of pork and favors for special interests.

Whatever immigration bill passes needs to have only 2 things:
1) No scamnesty
2) A national working permit system that effectively bars those who are illegally present from getting a job in the United States.

That's a 10 page bill. That's all we need.

With the jobs magnet gone, new illegals will stop coming, and most those already here will either self-deport or present themselves for deportation.

Most of the rest will either be working as day laborers or living off the charity of the Catholic Church (which I now severely question as an institution.) Between the institutionalized child molestation and the harboring of illegal aliens, I think even devout Catholics should have serious questions about their Church as an institution.

MW wrote;

That is exactly why the bill must have adequate Republican support to be successful. The Democrats know an amnesty bill without Republican support would be virtual suicide for the party. That's also why the first step was important - that step being a bill written by a Democrat and Republican (Guiterrez & Flake). Furthermore, that is why it was hoped there would be a McCain/Kennedy bill in the Senate. Trust me, the state gifts (pork), promises, arm twistings, and threats are happening as we speak. All we can do is keep the pressure turned up and hope our representatives are listening to "we" the people.

Great point!

Question for you MW: Do you think we have applied adequate pressure on the Dems, especially Blue Dogs and newly elected in formerly Repubican districts? They ran on cutting spending and should be forced to do CBO analysis!

(I think it's interesting McClame isn't joining Bush and Flake in Yuma, AZ, because he was so excited for the Bush bill to come out, telling Ingraham and Beck, it would be a bill they could like. Beck said he doubted it, he really doubted it.)

neilsthepoet,

Bravo!
I see that you've had that on your mind for quite some time. I'm not keeping score, but it's been since "O" Four.

Dixie

Neils,

I just had time to read your poem! I have never heard Chris Matthews so succinctly and truthfully defined. I'm not sure he is worthy of poetic expression no matter how cutting!

Thank you,

Oliver

They no nothing for sure!! their just full of hot air and clueless!

I remember when "HardBall" first came on, and believe it or not, it was a breath of fresh air vs the mainstream media outlets. He saw a niche for quick, hard debates, and ironically, in the beginning, it was pretty "fair and balanced". However, after FoxNews came along and established itself as the middle-to-right network, Chris Mathews took off his bias governor. ...to me though, it's not that big of a deal. He really doesn't try to pretend he's something he's not. Which is good.

However, his politics are extremely jouvenile. And what's more important he's a REALLY BAD WRITER. Have you ever read one of his books? I have. Two of them. And his prose stinks. It's boring and extremely conversational. And he claims to be a "writer first" and a pundit/host by default. Which is a major insight to where he's coming from.

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PS, it does scare me that he, and his entire panel, said with 100% certainty that YES, it will happen this year.