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    Democratic senators confirm Obama lied to Americans about NSA

    Anna Giaritelli, Rare Staff
    Posted on April 2, 2014 9:32 am

    At the center of this new information is President Obama, who had specifically stated in January that the NSA does not listen to Americans’ phone calls, “This program does not involve the content of phone calls or the names of people making calls.
    Democratic senators confirm Obama lied to Americans about NSA

    Two Democratic senators released a statement late Tuesday night condemning the National Security Agency and the “misleading” information President Obama has shared with the public after the director of national intelligence confirmed a ‘back-door search loophole’ the government has created that allows it to get around national privacy laws.

    “It is now clear to the public that the list of ongoing intrusive surveillance practices by the NSA includes not only bulk collection of Americans’ phone records, but also warrantless searches of the content of Americans’ personal communications,” wrote U.S. Senators Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and Mark Udall, D-Colo.

    “This is unacceptable. It raises serious constitutional questions, and poses a real threat to the privacy rights of law-abiding Americans. If a government agency thinks that a particular American is engaged in terrorism or espionage, the Fourth Amendment requires that the government secure a warrant or emergency authorization before monitoring his or her communications. This fact should be beyond dispute,” the Democrats added.

    Wyden and Udall sit on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and had urged their fellow committee members in 2012 to keep from reauthorizing Section 702 of the Fisa Amendments Act, a law that created a loophole for NSA to collect domestic communications — data and voice — without warrants.

    Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., did not do away with the practice and argued that it did not use NSA’s far-reaching powers to tap into the information of Americans.

    In January, Wyden and Udall contacted intelligence officials, asking for answers. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has now confirmed the secret use of this “loophole” written into the law. Under the loophole, applications including Prism, which gives the agency the ability to collect user data from Google, Apple, Yahoo and other tech companies, along with the government’s Upstream program, a large network of internet cable taps, have been pulling specific information on people with connections to foreign contacts.

    “There have been queries, using US person identifiers, of communications lawfully acquired to obtain foreign intelligence targeting non-US persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States,” Clapper wrote in the letter, which was obtained by the Guardian.

    “These queries were performed pursuant to minimization procedures approved by the Fisa court and consistent with the statute and the fourth amendment.”

    At the center of this new information is President Obama, who had specifically stated in January that the NSA does not listen to Americans’ phone calls, “This program does not involve the content of phone calls or the names of people making calls. Instead, it provides a record of phone numbers and the times and length of calls, metadata that can be queried if and when we have a reasonable suspicion that a particular number is linked to a terrorist organization.”

    Wyden and Udall confirmed that is not the case.

    The facts show that those suggestions were misleading, and that intelligence agencies have indeed conducted warrantless searches for Americans’ communications using the ‘back-door search’ loophole in section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Today’s admission by the Director of National Intelligence is further proof that meaningful surveillance reform must include closing the back-door searches loophole and requiring the intelligence community to show probable cause before deliberately searching through data collected under section 702 to find the communications of individual Americans.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAPPY2BME View Post
    Today’s admission by the Director of National Intelligence is further proof that meaningful surveillance reform must include closing the back-door searches loophole and requiring the intelligence community to show probable cause before deliberately searching through data collected under section 702 to find the communications of individual Americans.”
    The thing that amazes me is that there would even be any debate about this. It's not as if Wyden and Udall are trying to prevent data collection, they're just trying to make certain that the American people are protected from searches which the searchers cannot justify.

    As for 'Bama's lying, to get what he wants, think You can keep your current health plan if you like it. It's sad, but our president simply cannot be trusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vistalad View Post
    The thing that amazes me is that there would even be any debate about this. It's not as if Wyden and Udall are trying to prevent data collection, they're just trying to make certain that the American people are protected from searches which the searchers cannot justify.

    As for 'Bama's lying, to get what he wants, think You can keep your current health plan if you like it. It's sad, but our president simply cannot be trusted.
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    Obama still marches to orders of the socialist agenda.

    Dems are simply planning for November by 'appearing' to dis him, giving them enough lee way to say 'I didn't support that!' come election time.

    Liberals will buy it lock, stock, and barrel ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAPPY2BME View Post
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    Obama still marches to orders of the socialist agenda.

    Dems are simply planning for November by 'appearing' to dis him, giving them enough lee way to say 'I didn't support that!' come election time.

    Liberals will buy it lock, stock, and barrel ..
    In don't trust any one in the wh they all lie

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    NSA performed warrantless searches on Americans' calls and emails – Clapper


    • NSA used 'back door' to search Americans' communications
    • Director of national intelligence confirms use of new legal rule
    • Data collected under 'Prism' and 'Upstream' programs
    • Clapper said: 'These queries were performed pursuant to minimization procedures and consistent with the statute and the fourth amendment.' Photo: Shawn Thew/EPA


    US intelligence chiefs have confirmed that the National Security Agency has used a "back door" in surveillance law to perform warrantless searches on Americans’ communications.

    The NSA's collection programs are ostensibly targeted at foreigners, but in August the Guardian revealed a secret rule change allowing NSA analysts to search for Americans' details within the databases.
    Now, in a letter to Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat on the intelligence committee, the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, has confirmed the use of this legal authority to search for data related to “US persons”.

    “There have been queries, using US person identifiers, of communications lawfully acquired to obtain foreign intelligence targeting non-US persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States,” Clapper wrote in the letter, which has been obtained by the Guardian.

    “These queries were performed pursuant to minimization procedures approved by the Fisa court and consistent with the statute and the fourth amendment.”

    The legal authority to perform the searches, revealed in top-secret NSA documents provided to the Guardian by Edward Snowden, was denounced by Wyden as a “backdoor search loophole.”

    Many of the NSA's most controversial programs collect information under the law affected by the so-called loophole. These include Prism, which allows the agency to collect data from Google, Apple, Facebook, Yahoo and other tech companies, and the agency's Upstream program – a huge network of internet cable taps.
    Clapper did not say how many warrantless searches had been performed by the NSA. It was not the first time the searches had been confirmed: after the Snowden leaks, the office of the director of national intelligence declassified documents that discussed the rule change. But Clapper's letter drew greater attention to the issue.
    Confirmation that the NSA has searched for Americans’ communications in its phone call and email databases complicates President Barack Obama’s initial defenses of the broad surveillance in June.

    “When it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your telephone calls. That’s not what this program’s about,” Obama said. “As was indicated, what the intelligence community is doing is looking at phone numbers and durations of calls. They are not looking at people’s names, and they’re not looking at content.”
    Obama was referring specifically to the bulk collection of US phone records, but his answer misleadingly suggested that the NSA could not examine Americans’ phone calls and emails.

    At a recent hearing of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, administration lawyers defended their latitude to perform such searches. The board is scheduled to deliver a report on the legal authority under which the communications are collected, Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa), passed in 2008.

    Wyden and Colorado Democrat Mark Udall failed in 2012 to persuade their fellow Senate intelligence committee members to prevent such warrantless searches during the re-authorisation of the 2008 Fisa Amendments Act, which wrote Section 702 into law.

    Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who chairs the committee, defended the practice, and argued that it did not violate the act’s “reverse targeting” prohibition on using NSA’s vast powers to collect content on Americans.

    “With respect to analysing the information lawfully collected under Section 702, however, the intelligence community provided several examples in which it might have a legitimate foreign intelligence need to conduct queries in order to analyze data already in its possession,” Feinstein said in June 2012.

    “The Department of Justice and the intelligence community reaffirmed that any queries made of Section 702 data will be conducted in strict compliance with applicable guidelines and procedures, and do not provide a means to circumvent the general requirement to obtain a court order before targeting a US person under Fisa.”
    Clapper referred to that debate in his letter to Wyden, which came in response to the senator’s request in January for a public answer on whether the NSA had in fact conducted such searches.

    “As you know, when Congress reauthorized Section 702, the proposal to restrict such queries was specifically raised and ultimately not adopted,” Clapper wrote.

    Much of the NSA's bulk data collection is covered by section 702 of the Fisa Amendments Act. This allows for the collection of communications – content and metadata alike – without individual warrants, so long as there is a reasonable belief the communications are both foreign and overseas.

    The communications of Americans in direct contact with foreign targets can also be collected without a warrant, and the intelligence agencies acknowledge that purely domestic communications can also be inadvertently swept into its databases. That process is known as "incidental collection".

    Initially, NSA rules on such data prevented the databases being searched for any details relating to "US persons" – that is, citizens or residents of the US. However, in October 2011 the Fisa court approved new procedures which allowed the agency to search for US person data, a revelation contained in documents revealed by Snowden.

    The ruling appears to give the agency free access to search for information relating to US people within its vast databases, though not to specifically collect information against US citizens in the first place. However, until the DNI's disclosure to Wyden, it was not clear whether the NSA had ever actually used these powers.
    On Tuesday, Wyden and Udall said the NSA’s warrantless searches of Americans’ emails and phone calls “should be concerning to all.”

    “This is unacceptable. It raises serious constitutional questions, and poses a real threat to the privacy rights of law-abiding Americans. If a government agency thinks that a particular American is engaged in terrorism or espionage, the fourth amendment requires that the government secure a warrant or emergency authorisation before monitoring his or her communications. This fact should be beyond dispute,” the two senators said in a joint statement.

    They continued: “Today’s admission by the Director of National Intelligence is further proof that meaningful surveillance reform must include closing the back-door searches loophole and requiring the intelligence community to show probable cause before deliberately searching through data collected under section 702 to find the communications of individual Americans."

    • This article was amended on 1 April to correct the month in 2012 when the 2008 Fisa Amendments Act was reauthorsied. It was further amended on 2 April to make it clear that in August 2013, the US government declassified documents that first confirmed the searches of US persons' data under Section 702 of Fisa.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...americans-data
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