Thread: Repub budget spanks dems bad

I was just listening to the Repubs lay out what they want in budget cuts

NO WAY those idiot libs agree to those kind of cuts , But the repubs are doing exactly what they were sent up there to do.

They should go after the SSI entitlements that are awarded to foreign seniors who have never even (or just barely) worked here. That is, unless they are assisting in the family business in one way or another, or even just performing domestic chores for their sponsoring offspring. I guess those families will take whatever we can give to them!

I've personally brought this up with three Republican congressmen so far and they don't seem to have a clue as to what I am talking about. Projections are that this population of welfare recipients will be 16 million by 2050. Pretty sizable horde gobbling up future social security benefits.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/us/31elder.html

Pretty much Captainron. Some have estimated 7% of SS recipients are immigrants who never paid into the system who have been granted waivers not requiring them to have the required credits. However ask politicians about it and few know anything about it and hard to get real solid details on it.

One response I received a few years ago when I asked my senator about it was basically that they expected these immigrants to have paid into a similiar system back home and how it was "unfair" because of them immigrating to lose their retirement package. I basically laughed that off and told them that it was destroying the SS system and I wanted them to push for an end of SS abuse.... of course nothing happens as usual.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Pretty much Captainron. Some have estimated 7% of SS recipients are immigrants who never paid into the system who have been granted waivers not requiring them to have the required credits. However ask politicians about it and few know anything about it and hard to get real solid details on it.

One response I received a few years ago when I asked my senator about it was basically that they expected these immigrants to have paid into a similiar system back home and how it was "unfair" because of them immigrating to lose their retirement package. I basically laughed that off and told them that it was destroying the SS system and I wanted them to push for an end of SS abuse.... of course nothing happens as usual.

Some time back I called the AARP on answers like that. I got the same answer from them as well. They said they paid into the system in Mexico and other countries and that is why they recieve benefits here.

I DO NOT BELIEVE OUR SYSTEMS ARE RECIPROCAL OF ONE ANOTHERS.

That is a load of horse manure

I just got off the phone with one of my Senators and told them if they want spending cuts they need look no further then all the money spent on ILLEGALS in this country to save a wopping amount of money.
AND TO ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS!

What really infuriates me is that congress is currently working on the 2011 budget - that's THIS YEAR. We're already in April with NO BUDGET. The Dems had plenty of time to put together a budget before the last election but they chose not to do it. Now they're complaining about cuts.

We do have totalization agreements with a number of countries. However the one with Mexico has never been passed through Congress. However, if more retirees emigrate to the US than Americans retiring overseas to countries with totalization that would be another deficit to deal with.

The SSI programs is NOT directly part of the Social Security Trust, yet still must be paid by taxpayers. And then there are the locally funded benefits that are paid to the same people.

When you are talking about waivers, are you referring to people who claim SS credits but cannot prove a work history?

The big fear with any federal amnesty is that people who have worked here illegally and had SS deducted from their pay, will be able to go back and at least attempt to claim credit for those years. That would apply even if the payments were deducted under a false or stolen social security number. It's already in the Social Security regulations and does not need to be spelled out in an amnesty bill. However, I think they would still have to substantiate that they actually were employed---which would probably not be hard to do, with co workers as witnesses and an eager legal advocacy agent helping them.

Your are right CaptainIron and these lists still do not have Mexico as a partner
http://www.ssa.gov/international/status.html

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreem ... rview.html

Since the late 1970's, the United States has established a network of bilateral Social Security agreements that coordinate the U.S. Social Security program with the comparable programs of other countries. This article gives a brief overview of the agreements and should be of particular interest to multinational companies and to people who work abroad during their careers.

International Social Security agreements, often called "Totalization agreements," have two main purposes. First, they eliminate dual Social Security taxation, the situation that occurs when a worker from one country works in another country and is required to pay Social Security taxes to both countries on the same earnings. Second, the agreements help fill gaps in benefit protection for workers who have divided their careers between the United States and another country.

Agreements to coordinate Social Security protection across national boundaries have been common in Western Europe for decades. Following is a list of the agreements the United States has concluded and the date of the entry into force of each. Some of these agreements were subsequently revised; the date shown is the date the original agreement entered into force.

Country Entry into Force
Italy November 1, 1978
Germany December 1, 1979
Switzerland November 1, 1980
Belgium July 1, 1984
Norway July 1, 1984
Canada August 1, 1984
United Kingdom January 1, 1985
Sweden January 1, 1987
Spain April 1, 1988
France July 1, 1988
Portugal August 1, 1989
Netherlands November 1, 1990
Austria November 1, 1991
Finland November 1, 1992
Ireland September 1, 1993
Luxembourg November 1, 1993
Greece September 1, 1994
South Korea April 1, 2001
Chile December 1, 2001
Australia October 1, 2002
Japan October 1, 2005
Denmark October 1, 2008
Czech Republic January 1, 2009
Poland March 1, 2009

AARP told me wrong about Mexicans getting the benefits.

[quote]This is an archival or historical document and may not reflect current policies or procedures

Fact Sheet
Social Security
UNITED STATES/MEXICO TOTALIZATION AGREEMENT
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Totalization
Since the late 1970’s, the U.S. has established international social security agreements that coordinate the U.S. Social Security program with the comparable programs of other countries.

These international social security agreements are called “totalization agreementsâ€