Thread: I would like some input on this idea~~~

Illegal aliens receive MANY benefits that are funded from our tax dollars. Most illegals contribute ZERO.
The Huckster is a supporter of the Fair Tax. After doing some research on that proposal, I think I kinda like it. Hey no more taxes from my paycheck. Great. Tthe way I understand it, all the governments money would come from taxes we would pay as CONSUMERS, not as hard working Americans. Now if that is really the case, that could only mean that all the illegal aliens in this country working under the table would have to start paying taxes the same as you or I. Do you think that would change the playing field any???
Just a thought. Some input please.

Originally Posted by totallybeachin

Illegal aliens receive MANY benefits that are funded from our tax dollars. Most illegals contribute ZERO.
The Huckster is a supporter of the Fair Tax. After doing some research on that proposal, I think I kinda like it. Hey no more taxes from my paycheck. Great. Tthe way I understand it, all the governments money would come from taxes we would pay as CONSUMERS, not as hard working Americans. Now if that is really the case, that could only mean that all the illegal aliens in this country working under the table would have to start paying taxes the same as you or I. Do you think that would change the playing field any???
Just a thought. Some input please.

It might cut down on their money going back home for sure. If taxes by employers were scrutinized that might help too.

It would help some but illegal aliens don't spend money like tax paying Americans do.

The Huckster would also allow 20-30 million of the illegals to stay in the country (after "touching back") and is not against anchor babies which would eventually allow many tens of million more in. Even with the FAIR TAX, it would still cost us much more than they would be contributing.

See the Economic Costs section in http://www.darksideofillegalimmigration.com/

What the Fair Tax really hits is the underground economy, of which many of not most illegals are part of.

You would have to include collecting sales tax at yard sales to make most of them pay a fair share.

Let's make sure they also register with the Selective Service System...

ATTENTION, UNDOCUMENTED MALES
& IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!

If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636.

Be sure to register before your 26th birthday. After that, it’s too late!

Selective Service does not collect any information which would indicate whether or not you are undocumented. You want to protect yourself for future U.S. citizenship and other government benefits and programs by registering with Selective Service. Do it today.

The FairTax would provide every family with a rebate of the sales tax equal to spending up to the federal poverty level. The rebate would be paid in advance and updated according to the Department of Health and Human Services poverty guidelines. Based on the 2003 guidelines, a family of four would be able to spend $24,240 annually tax free. They would receive a monthly rebate of $465 each and every month ($5,575 annually). Therefore, no family would pay tax on essential goods and services, and middle income families would be effectively exempt from tax on a large portion of their annual spending.


I think we need to rethink the Fair Tax idea. This sounds like just another bureaucratic boondoggle - and another give away to the 'poor' as defined by the government - and that would include most illegals.

Do we really believe they are going to 'effectively exempt middle income families from a large portion of their annual spending'? I don't.

This 'prebate' is just silliness.

If they wanted to make it fair an simple, they would just put on a sales tax, with exemptions for things like food and medical care, and everyone pays. But they have all these 'prebates' and 'poverty levels', etc., so they can manipulate it and keep all those government employees.

Personally, I think the Fair Tax is wrong - just wrong.

Let's have a sales tax - and let everyone pay. They won't under the Fair TAx. Certainly, the illegals won't.

Originally Posted by nntrixie

The FairTax would provide every family with a rebate of the sales tax equal to spending up to the federal poverty level. The rebate would be paid in advance and updated according to the Department of Health and Human Services poverty guidelines. Based on the 2003 guidelines, a family of four would be able to spend $24,240 annually tax free. They would receive a monthly rebate of $465 each and every month ($5,575 annually). Therefore, no family would pay tax on essential goods and services, and middle income families would be effectively exempt from tax on a large portion of their annual spending.


I think we need to rethink the Fair Tax idea. This sounds like just another bureaucratic boondoggle - and another give away to the 'poor' as defined by the government - and that would include most illegals.

Do we really believe they are going to 'effectively exempt middle income families from a large portion of their annual spending'? I don't.

This 'prebate' is just silliness.

If they wanted to make it fair an simple, they would just put on a sales tax, with exemptions for things like food and medical care, and everyone pays. But they have all these 'prebates' and 'poverty levels', etc., so they can manipulate it and keep all those government employees.

Personally, I think the Fair Tax is wrong - just wrong.

Let's have a sales tax - and let everyone pay. They won't under the Fair TAx. Certainly, the illegals won't.

"the term "qualified family" means one or more family members sharing a common residence."
It also states that in order to qualify, "a person must have a valid social security number and be a lawful resident of the United States".
That would mean our government could collect from the illegal aliens, but finally, they would not collect anything in return!

One of the big problems with this and other tax structures like it, is that it tends to be regressive in punishing the poorest people the most.
(eg. if it is consumption-based, and poor people spend a greater proportion of their income on basic necessities, then rich folks, in essence are burdened far less...)

And what about states like mine that do not have a sales tax (and probably never will, based on the voting history about the subject...?)

"the term "qualified family" means one or more family members sharing a common residence."
It also states that in order to qualify, "a person must have a valid social security number and be a lawful resident of the United States".
That would mean our government could collect from the illegal aliens, but finally, they would not collect anything in return

Remember, our laws states that no one can work without a proper documentation either - but millions are. It will be no different with the illegals - if we are honest with ourselves.

Why not do away with the 'prebates' and government machinations and just make it a straight, across the board sales tax, exempting only some items - and it needn't be 23% either.

Just eliminating the heavy load of government workers to check out the poverty claims, write the monthly prebate checks, (can you imagine the problems there), would be a great savings.

I don't think it would have that great a burden for the poor - perhaps at 23% - but it doesn't need to be that high and if we exempt food, medical care, etc., that would help.

The Fair Tax just seems to have too many rules, regulations, ifs ands or buts when it isn't necessary. That's why I fear it is just another government opportunity.

Originally Posted by PhredE

One of the big problems with this and other tax structures like it, is that it tends to be regressive in punishing the poorest people the most.
(eg. if it is consumption-based, and poor people spend a greater proportion of their income on basic necessities, then rich folks, in essence are burdened far less...)

And what about states like mine that do not have a sales tax (and probably never will, based on the voting history about the subject...?)

The "pre-bate" is designed especially for the poor people. What they spend on necessities would be refunded to them. If they are spending outside their means, then that is an entirely different topic. I, for one, think that I would benefit from this type of system, and I am poor. I pay 1/3 of my paycheck to the government, but I know for a fact that I do not spend 1/3 on necessities.

Why not make the tax less, and no government meddling like 'prebates'.

There is no reason for the government to do anything except count the money when the retailers send it in - no need to 'prebate' keep up with who is 'poverty level' etc.

See, this is just another government program that will keep everything and everyone in the government's control.

Free the people to do what they wish with their money - make as much as they want, spend as much as they want, if they have it, and tax everyone the same. It doesn't need to be 23% - it can be less and poor people would not be that adversely affected by it.

Why does that frighten people?

I don't understand about paying 1/3 in taxes - is that just employment taxes? That seems awfully high.