Thread: Do visas hurt U.S. workers?

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Do visas hurt U.S. workers?

Thousands of skilled professionals from overseas work for less money in positions Americans want, critics say.

Sarah Ryley / The Detroit News

Shown are the top 10 H-1B visas applicants for jobs in or originating in Michigan during fiscal year 2005. The number of workers the company actually received is likely a fraction of that amount.

1. Syntel Inc., Troy: Application represents 24,900 jobs. An IT outsourcing, offshoring and staffing firm, 79 percent of its 1,422 U.S. employees are on visas and receive wages $12,336 less than the industry average. Local clients include General Motors, Ford Motor Company and DaimlerChrysler Corp.
2. Infosys Technologies Ltd., Bangalore, India: 5,877 jobs. One of India's largest IT outsourcing firms, 87 percent of its 8,000 U.S. employees are here on visas and act as liaisons between clients and U.S. operations, offers H-1B wages $13,537 below industry average. Does not release client information.
3. Covansys Corp., Farmington Hills: 2,585 jobs. An IT staffing and outsourcing firm with 67 percent of its staff located in India, offers H-1B wages $9,760 below the industry average. Henry Ford Health System, Ford, Visteon Controls and GM are its largest local clients.
4. The Tata Group, Mumbai, India: 935 jobs. An outsourcing, offshoring and staffing firm with a specialized automotive center in Troy, offers H-1B wages $22,016 below industry average. One of its first U.S. jobs was archiving the crime database for the Detroit Police Department. Ford is one of its top local clients.
5. Wipro, Ltd., Bangalore, India: 610 jobs. An outsourcing firm with the majority of its U.S. workforce on visas earning wages $17,074 below industry average. Was one of six to receive a contract from General Motors this year.
6. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor: 451 jobs. Applications mainly for assistant and associate professors, assistant research scientists and research fellows.
7. Technosoft Corp., Southfield: 429 jobs. Primarily a staffing firm, offers H-1B wages $16,200 below industry average. Ford and DaimlerChrysler are its largest clients. 8. Insolexen, Novi: 355 jobs. Acquired by Ohio-based Perficient, a consulting and contracting firm that has Comerica as one of its local clients. Offers wages $26,288 below industry average.
9. Satyam Computer Services Ltd., Hyderabad, India: 341 jobs. A consulting, contracting and staffing firm that offers wages $15,235 below industry average.
10. Ved Software Services Inc., Farmington Hills: 315 jobs. An outsourcing and staffing firm that offers H1-B wages $23,984 below industry average. Amway Corp., DaimlerChrysler and Kelly Services are its largest local clients.
Sources: 2005 Labor Condition Application filings, company websites, 2005 and 2006 SEC filings, "The bottom of the pay scale: Wages for H-1B computer programmers," published in 2005 by the Center for Immigration Studies.
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Should Congress increase the number of annual H-1B visas for skilled foreign workers?

This year, thousands of people from around the world will come to Metro Detroit through the federal government's skilled worker visa program. Many are among the best in their fields, and will develop software used for automotive design, handle the financials of Fortune 500 companies or work in hospitals doing everything from saving lives to coaching children through surgery.

Others will take jobs at Michigan and India-based technical firms and earn three-quarters of the market wage for their profession. Critics of the program say these workers will take jobs away from Americans, during a time when thousands of computer professionals are submitting resumes to the talent bank run by the Michigan Works! jobs agency.

As Congress considers increasing the annual cap of 85,000 visas for skilled workers, called H-1B visas, critics are citing recent studies that highlight the program's abuses, particularly in computer-related professions.

Hi Millere,

OK if I jump in here for a minute or two?

Dear ALIPAC members.

ALIPAC means legal immigration. These H-1B, L-1 and other whacko visa holders are NOT, I repeat, are NOT immigrants. The visas that Millere is referring to are jobs visas to allow foreign nationals to come here for 6 years, take away American jobs, then return home. Each year 85,000 new visa holders arrive, and the 85,000 that are supposed to go home, conveniently forget to go home.

Running the numbers, each year 85,000 new IT workers arrive (mostly from India), meaning 510,000 US jobs legally belong to foreign nationals at any given time. There are estimates that another half million to million H-1Bs overstayed their visas and forgot to return home. This pleases Hillary Rodham to no end.

The 85,000 H-1B cap is a farce and a lie. The cap is on arrivals per year, they get to stay 6 years at a time and are frequently extended. The real cap is 510,000+ and Congress wants to double that cap, meaning 1,200,000 US jobs, on US soil, will belong to Bangalore, India (mostly to the evil empire - Tata).

Estimates are, by the end of 2010, every technology job in the US will be replaced twice over by citizens of India. An article that was later pulled from the Internet, revealed that Tata is hiring 10 million new Indian replacement employees, to replace [to be fired] American citizens, both on US soil and remotely from India.

What Millere is reporting - What Sarah Riley is reporting in the Detroit News is just the impact upon Detroit - now multiply that times every population center in the US.

So what does Millere's posting have to do with illegals?

The first thing that comes to mind is priority of hire. Technical workers are forced to train Tata employees, then fired. They can't look for other technology jobs because priority of hire goes to India. They won't get skilled, semi-skilled, or unskilled blue collar jobs 'cause priority of hire goes to the illegals from Mexico.

YOUR U.S. CITIZENSHIP IS YOUR WORST ENEMY

Other factors contribute - why get a technical degree, when ]you're US citizenship is your worst enemy (when it comes to job hunting)? High skilled veterans, who serve honorably, are denied jobs repeatedly by employers who prefer Tata employees from India. Maybe they admire the indentured servitude status of Tata employees.

Carley Fiorina speaks for employers of H-1Bs and for employers of illegals. Her infamous quote, that thousands of employers subscribe to, is
"NO AMERICAN HAS A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO A JOB."

Reality is - foreign nationals from India, Mexico, and Communist China have been granted the highest priority to America's jobs.

Presidential Candidate Hillary Rodham receives an award from Tata.
Tata, of Bangalore, India, receives more and more American jobs
as American IT workers are sent to the unemployment lines.

I have also found out that many of the employees who were supposed to return back to India after their H1-B visas expired have stayed in Michigan, illegally, but they are often not referred to as illegals because they are thought of as 'good, hardworking [east asian] Indians'. They too are taking up alot of the part-time and freelance computer jobs that normally went to out-of-work Americans or in-between jobs Americans. There must be thousands of them throughout the state of Michigan. And how many of these were able to scam:

Foodstamps?
Medicaid?
Unemployment compensation?
Free emergency medical care?
College loans and grants?

How many of these thousands are there throughout the US if you multiply Michigan's situation by the 50 states? This illegal form of immigration is never talked about in Congress!