Thread: Donald Trump says transgender people should use bathroom of their choice

Originally Posted by Judy

I understand the transgender people wanting their own bathrooms, but I think Trump is right on this one when he says just leave things the way they are. I'm not sure why anyone would disagree with that. Like he said, making an issue of it creates strife and discontent where there wasn't any, or at least very little.

For those in the legislatures who want to use birth certificates to enforce male/female bathroom usage, I suggest they turn to something more serious like US birth certificates to get a driver's license, attend a public school, or get a job in the United States. I've been on this earth awhile now and I have never heard, seen or read about anyone being hurt or harmed in a public bathroom by someone who is transgender.

The issue couldn't be left alone because Charlotte, NC, passed a local ordinance that allowed biological men to use the same bathrooms and locker rooms of our daughters and granddaughters. The state was forced to void the ordinance through law. No logical thinking person would want their female children exposed to adult male genitalia. It would benefit Trump to research the issue before commenting (IMO).

Originally Posted by MW

The issue couldn't be left alone because Charlotte, NC, passed a local ordinance that allowed biological men to use the same bathrooms and locker rooms of our daughters and granddaughters. The state was forced to void the ordinance through law. No logical thinking person would want their female children exposed to adult male genitalia. It would benefit Trump to research the issue before commenting (IMO).

Does it really include locker rooms? It sounds like they are talking about bathrooms. It doesn't sound like they are including environments where full frontal nudity is an issue.

Children don't belong in locker rooms for adults anyway. Think of Penn State.

I would hate to see multi-gender high school locker rooms. These should be gender separated based on biological gender.

Originally Posted by pkskyali

Does it really include locker rooms? . . .

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Apr 13, 2016 - North Carolina's state legislature recently passed HB2, requiring governmental bathrooms and locker rooms to be separate based on biological ...

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

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HB2 is the state law to stop the Charlotte ordinance.

The Charlotte ordinance does not include locker rooms, only bathrooms in businesses.

pkskyali wrote:

Does it really include locker rooms? It sounds like they are talking about bathrooms. It doesn't sound like they are including environments where full frontal nudity is an issue.

Children don't belong in locker rooms for adults anyway. Think of Penn State.

I would hate to see multi-gender high school locker rooms. These should be gender separated based on biological gender.

Charlotte's ordinance allowed men to use women's restrooms and other facilities in both public facilities and all restaurants, bars, and other buildings of public accommodations.

Public restrooms cannot be policed for correct gender identity. As long as somebody dresses like the opposite sex, we can assume they are going to be able to use the restroom for that chosen sex. You can't police something like that unless there is some other anti-social behavior involved.

But using a shower or a locker room is rather easily policed and should be enforced. As long as transgender surgery is legal, there are going to be castrated men running around with genitals carved up to look something like a vagina from the front. There is that and other hormone drenched affects that at least lower the shock of having a man in a woman's shower. Let's hope this is rare enough not be a major issue. The rest is rather easily policed.

If you are a man only dressing up like a woman, you are not entitled to use a woman's shower or locker room.

Originally Posted by MW

pkskyali wrote:



Charlotte's ordinance allowed men to use women's restrooms and other facilities in both public facilities and all restaurants, bars, and other buildings of public accommodations.

That ordinance was proposed last year and failed. The Charlotte ordinance that actually passed this year is limited to businesses, no city or county owned facilities, no schools for example and applies only to bathrooms, not locker rooms according to the Fox article I posted.

Charlotte City Council approves transgender bathroom ordinance over governor's protest

Published February 23, 2016 Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – North Carolina's largest city passed a law Monday allowing transgender people to choose public bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity, which the governor had called a threat to public safety and warned that the General Assembly may step in.

The Charlotte City Council voted 7-4 to expand protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity, making it the latest frontier in a national debate on how businesses treat gay, lesbian and transgender customers. One of the revisions to the city's nondiscrimination ordinance allows people to choose restrooms corresponding to the gender with which they identify.

North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory — a former mayor of Charlotte, one of the 20 largest cities in the U.S. according to census figures — said in an email Sunday that changing the policy on restrooms could "create major public safety issues."

"Also, this action of allowing a person with male anatomy, for example, to use a female restroom or locker room will most likely cause immediate State legislative intervention which I would support as governor," he wrote in the email to two Council members.

The issue has been part of a national debate that included the high-profile defeat of a similar ordinance late last year by voters in Houston, and LGBT advocates worried bathroom-access fears would be used elsewhere to fight equal-rights measures. South Dakota legislators recently passed a bill requiring students to use bathrooms corresponding to their sex at birth, though it hasn't been signed by the governor.

In North Carolina, the advocacy group Equality NC issued a statement criticizing McCrory for "perpetuating the same tired and debunked myths about transgender people and public safety." Executive director Chris Sgro accused the governor and legislators of trying "to bully the Charlotte City Council with threats to strip municipalities of their rights to govern."

During the meeting, about 140 members of the public got one minute each to give the council their opinions on the measure. Because the council chambers were filled to capacity, some speakers had to stay in an adjacent room and await their time.

Materials given to the council ahead of the meeting cited some residents' concerns that sexual predators would use the ordinance to gain entry to women's restrooms for assault or indecent exposure, but it also noted that staff researchers hadn't uncovered any evidence of an increase in such crimes in cities with non-discrimination ordinances.

Before the meeting, several hundred people stood outside in a wind-driven rain to protest the proposal, holding signs with messages such as: "No Men In Women's Restrooms" and "Keep Kids Safe."

Chris Williams, a 30-year-old father of three, passed out "No" stickers to the crowd, saying most Charlotte residents "stand with religious values."

"I don't want my kids having to even question, 'Why is there this person in the restroom?'" he said. "I don't think they should even be faced with that question and that concern."

The measure adds sexual orientation, gender identity and marital status as attributes protected from discrimination when it comes to public accommodations including restaurants, retail stores and other businesses. It would take effect in April. Public school would not be affected by the law.

A similar measure was narrowly defeated by the Charlotte City Council in March 2015, even after the removal of a provision that would have allowed bathroom use based on gender identity. Local officials later announced that transgender people could use the bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity in city- and county-owned facilities.

Members of Charlotte's LGBT community said in a survey the changes are needed because they have been denied service, received poor service or experienced disparaging comments, according to supplemental materials attached to Monday's Council agenda.

Opponents of the measure — including some clergy and business owners — have sent the City Council a letter saying businesses should have the right to refuse service based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...s-protest.html