Thread: Duncan Hunter to announce important message at 2:00 pm

Originally Posted by usanevada

McCain and Rudi made it very clear that they would have to
pay a fine , learn English and get amnesty and get to stay

Romney made it very clear there would be no amnesty and the
would not be allowed to stay

Now it doesn't get any clearer than that and he said it
3 times
At the ABC debate , Sunday on the Chris Wallace show
and at the Fox forum debate

Exactly. Amazing that some people don't comprehend this, or I guess, don't want to comprehend this. It's very obvious: Giuliani, McCain, & Huckabee are the amnesty threats, not Romney. And as we know, this whole "paying a fine, learning English" business is BS as there is no way we're going to have a language police. These are just smokescreens to try to provide political cover for amnesty.

Originally Posted by MW

Okay, I lied. I couldn't let this pass without commenting:

Bren wrote:

""well it technically isn't amnesty because you make them pay $5,000"

This is sarcasm!!! I cannot believe that you do not see it

The only folks that would view what Romney said as sarcasm are Romney fans. It definitely was not saracsm. He waffled, pure and simple.

No, anybody who watched the debates would understand how/why this ended up being said. It was when McCain kept INSISTING that it was not amnesty----because they have to pay $5000, learn English, blah blah.

So, in a sarcastic manner-----Romney said "well it technically isn't amnesty...." .......Then he said "do they all have to go home senator??"------McCain said NO. Romney then said----it is amnesty if they do not all have to leave.

Originally Posted by Populist

Originally Posted by usanevada

McCain and Rudi made it very clear that they would have to
pay a fine , learn English and get amnesty and get to stay

Romney made it very clear there would be no amnesty and the
would not be allowed to stay

Now it doesn't get any clearer than that and he said it
3 times
At the ABC debate , Sunday on the Chris Wallace show
and at the Fox forum debate

Exactly. Amazing that some people don't comprehend this, or I guess, don't want to comprehend this. It's very obvious: Giuliani, McCain, & Huckabee are the amnesty threats, not Romney. And as we know, this whole "paying a fine, learning English" business is BS as there is no way we're going to have a language police. These are just smokescreens to try to provide political cover for amnesty.

I've figured this out Populist
In any election you will have people that no matter what will vote for Ralph Nadar or Timothy Leary
As I stated earlier , no sense bashing your head against the wall because you won't win against them no matter what you say,
Romney can come out today and say he would deport 20 million in the first 30 days and they would still argue with you
Like any political contest , time will tell

So, Duncan is still in??? That is awesome.

He truly is My favorite candidate. Hoping that this also garner's him some more attention.

There is still SO, SO much more time ...anything can happen in almost a year's time! As long as he stays in the race ... anything can happen.

GOOOOOO DUNCAN HUNTER!!!!!!

Romney's record on immigration?
http://www.factcheck.org/tough_guy_on_immigration.html

Mitt Romney casts himself as tough on illegal immigration in a new ad in which he says that, as Massachusetts governor, "I authorized the State Police to enforce immigration laws." He doesn't mention that his order never took effect. It came in the closing days of his administration and was rescinded by his successor, as we wrote back in August.
He also promises, "As president, I'll . . . cut funding for sanctuary cities." Maybe so, but as governor he took no action against several such towns in his state.
We find Romney misleading on both counts.

...Well, yes. But, as we noted in August, he didn't do so until he had less than a month left in his term. He was already considering running for president, and the new governor-elect was expected to rescind the arrangement.
Romney began talking about giving troopers the power to make arrests on immigration charges earlier in 2006, but he didn't sign an agreement with the federal government - a necessary condition for that authority to be granted - until Dec. 13 of that year. Romney was scheduled to leave office Jan. 4, 2007. Democrat Deval Patrick, who had won the race to succeed Romney, had already said the program was a "bad idea" because troopers were busy enough as it was.
Sure enough, Patrick rescinded the agreement within his first week in office so troopers could "focus on enforcing Massachusetts laws." The policy never had a chance to take effect, because those troopers chosen to carry it out hadn't yet begun a required six-week training course.

Romney might well get tough on sanctuary cities in the future, but he didn't when he was governor.
During his tenure, at least four Massachusetts cities enacted or renewed legislation declaring themselves sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. Brookline and Cambridge reaffirmed their longtime status as sanctuary cities in so many words. Somerville and Orleans didn't officially deem themselves "sanctuaries," but Somerville affirmed its "long-standing policies in support of all immigrants," while Orleans forbade city officials from turning in illegal immigrants without probable cause.
We asked Romney's campaign if he had acted against these cities, but they didn't provide us with any examples. As far as we were able to determine in our own research, Romney made no attempts to penalize, censure, or cut funding to them.
- by Viveca Novak and Jess Henig, with Emi Kolawole

Sources
Zezima, Katie. "Massachusetts Rescinds Deal on Policing Immigration," The New York Times, 12 January 2007.

Zezima, Katie. "Massachusetts Set for Its Officers to Enforce Immigration Law," The New York Times, 13 December 2007.

Town of Brookline, MA. Board of Selectmen. Minutes. 24 Oct. 2006.

Town of Orleans, MA. "Annual and Special Town Meeting Warrants." 12 May 2003.

City of Cambridge, MA. City Council. "Policy Order Resolution." 8 May 2006.

City of Somerville, MA. Board of Aldermen. "Minutes of the Regular Meeting." 11 May 2006.

Tapper, Jake, and Jan Simmonds. "Giuliani Vows to End Illegal Immigration." ABC News. 14 Aug. 2007.

Just posting the facts folks!

First off

Romney did partner with ICE
Its not his fault the lib symp new gov pulled the plug , the facts
are he did do it

As far as sanctuary cities , Thats bs also
A state gov has no power to pull federal funds or federally mandated program funds from any city
State funding is mandated by their legislators so just what is a
governor suppose to do against a state sanctuary city?

You have tough governors against illegals right now
that are running states with sanctuary cities and can't do a thing
about it

So thats hogwash , debunked and false information

Originally Posted by sturmruger

Romney's record on immigration?
http://www.factcheck.org/tough_guy_on_immigration.html

Mitt Romney casts himself as tough on illegal immigration in a new ad in which he says that, as Massachusetts governor, "I authorized the State Police to enforce immigration laws." He doesn't mention that his order never took effect. It came in the closing days of his administration and was rescinded by his successor, as we wrote back in August.
He also promises, "As president, I'll . . . cut funding for sanctuary cities." Maybe so, but as governor he took no action against several such towns in his state.
We find Romney misleading on both counts.

[quote:2cw6vdoc]...Well, yes. But, as we noted in August, he didn't do so until he had less than a month left in his term. He was already considering running for president, and the new governor-elect was expected to rescind the arrangement.
Romney began talking about giving troopers the power to make arrests on immigration charges earlier in 2006, but he didn't sign an agreement with the federal government - a necessary condition for that authority to be granted - until Dec. 13 of that year. Romney was scheduled to leave office Jan. 4, 2007. Democrat Deval Patrick, who had won the race to succeed Romney, had already said the program was a "bad idea" because troopers were busy enough as it was.
Sure enough, Patrick rescinded the agreement within his first week in office so troopers could "focus on enforcing Massachusetts laws." The policy never had a chance to take effect, because those troopers chosen to carry it out hadn't yet begun a required six-week training course.

Romney might well get tough on sanctuary cities in the future, but he didn't when he was governor.
During his tenure, at least four Massachusetts cities enacted or renewed legislation declaring themselves sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. Brookline and Cambridge reaffirmed their longtime status as sanctuary cities in so many words. Somerville and Orleans didn't officially deem themselves "sanctuaries," but Somerville affirmed its "long-standing policies in support of all immigrants," while Orleans forbade city officials from turning in illegal immigrants without probable cause.
We asked Romney's campaign if he had acted against these cities, but they didn't provide us with any examples. As far as we were able to determine in our own research, Romney made no attempts to penalize, censure, or cut funding to them.
- by Viveca Novak and Jess Henig, with Emi Kolawole

Sources
Zezima, Katie. "Massachusetts Rescinds Deal on Policing Immigration," The New York Times, 12 January 2007.

Zezima, Katie. "Massachusetts Set for Its Officers to Enforce Immigration Law," The New York Times, 13 December 2007.

Town of Brookline, MA. Board of Selectmen. Minutes. 24 Oct. 2006.

Town of Orleans, MA. "Annual and Special Town Meeting Warrants." 12 May 2003.

City of Cambridge, MA. City Council. "Policy Order Resolution." 8 May 2006.

City of Somerville, MA. Board of Aldermen. "Minutes of the Regular Meeting." 11 May 2006.

Tapper, Jake, and Jan Simmonds. "Giuliani Vows to End Illegal Immigration." ABC News. 14 Aug. 2007.

Just posting the facts folks![/quote:2cw6vdoc]

Romney did more against illegals while he was in office----than any other person!!!

And, this was LONG before the issue became as hot as it is now-----and before Tom Tancredo came into the picture!!

Are the millions going to show up for Ron Paul tomorrow----just like they did in Iowa??

Bren wrote:

Romney did more against illegals while he was in office----than any other person!!!

Nope, he didn't. Duncan Hunter has a history of fighting illegal immigration that dates back almost 27 years. Do your homework, Bren.

usaneveda wrote:

First off

Romney did partner with ICE
Its not his fault the lib symp new gov pulled the plug , the facts
are he did do it

It was all a ploy to better situation himself for a run for President of the United States. Not one law enforcement officer from Mass. ever attended ICE training. Romney knew his replacement was was going to stop the program before it got legs. When submit paperwork for the program? Wasn't it about a month before he left office?

Originally Posted by MW

Bren wrote:

Romney did more against illegals while he was in office----than any other person!!!

Nope, he didn't. Duncan Hunter has a history of fighting illegal immigration that dates back almost 27 years. Do your homework, Bren.

In regard to doing homework-----please look at all of the current polling results-----in the states and nationally!!

You are supporting someone who does not have a chance of winning----and by doing this----you and others are just helping Guliani, McCain, or Huckabilly to win!!!!

Bren wrote:

You are supporting someone who does not have a chance of winning----and by doing this----you and others are just helping Guliani, McCain, or Huckabilly to win!!!!

I don't know if you realize this, but you're starting to sound like a broken record. Just thought you might want to know.