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    Feds preparing for possible riots at conventions, presidential inauguration or elsewh

    Feds preparing for possible riots at conventions, presidential inauguration or elsewhere

    Thu, 2012-07-26 03:24 PM
    By: Jacob Goodwin

    It looks as if the Federal Protective Service is gearing up for the potential of significant riots at some combination of the Republican National Convention, the Democratic National Convention, the 2013 presidential inauguration and other major events in the future, with its planned procurement of about 150 sets of riot helmets, thigh and groin protectors, hard shell shin guards and other “riot gear.”

    The Federal Protective Service, which protects buildings, grounds and property that are owned, occupied or secured by the federal government, put a small business set-aside solicitation on the street on July 25 and gave prospective suppliers only one day to submit their fast-track proposals, and only 15 days after an award is made to deliver the riot gear to Alexandria, VA.

    Press accounts emanating from Tampa, FL, the site of the Republican National Convention scheduled for Aug. 27-30, have envisioned crowds of protestors assembling during the convention and described how the local police plan to close certain roads in the vicinity of the convention sites to thwart would-be rioters.

    The chief procurement officer of DHS, on behalf of the Federal Protective Service, has issued a solicitation that seeks “brand name or equal” products of the following types:
    147 riot helmets – which must have an “adjustable tactical face shield with liquid seal” and be able to fit the “3M Full Face Respirator FR-M40B masks.”
    147 sets of upper body and shoulder protection – which will “effectively protect the torso and shoulders from blunt force trauma” and “safely absorb blows delivered from blunt objects…”
    152 sets of thigh and groin protection – which “protects the thigh area and has an adjustable and removable groin protector.”
    147 hard shell shin guards – which can provide “substantial protection from flying debris, non-ballistic weapons, and blows to the leg” and should have an “optimized protective design for severe riot control or tactical situations.”
    156 forearm protectors – which should shield the “entire forearm from the wrist to the elbow” and weigh approximately six ounces.
    147 pairs of tactical gloves – which should ensure that the “Kevlar on back of hands is flame/flash retardant as well as cut protective” and that they utilize a “rolled finger tip design for excellent trigger sensitivity and fit.”

    Most of this equipment probably will be Centurion brand gear supplied by Hatch Corp., of Ontario, CA, which describes its thigh and groin protection system on its Website: “Designed to complement the Centurion Upper Body Chest and Shoulder Protection System, it was specifically designed for blunt trauma protection during riot control situation,” says Hatch Corp. “It protects the thigh area and has an adjustable and removable groin protector.”

    The FPS is likely to purchase the Max Pro-Police Bell RD-TAC Riot Helmet, or the equivalent, according to the solicitation.

    “The objective of this effort is to procure riot gear for the 2012 Democratic and Republican National Conventions, the 2012 Presidential Inauguration and other future similar activities,” explains the solicitation.

    Additional information is available from Scott Williams, area commander for the Federal Protective Service, at 703-235-6091 or scott.alan.williams@dhs.gov

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    150 sets of riot helmets, thigh and groin protectors, hard shell shin guards and other “riot gear.”
    This I am not worried about. What I am worried about is the reportedly over 700 MILLION rounds of ammunition they just ordered for what are only supposed to be 120,000 Federal law enforcement officers. Most of the rounds are NOT PRACTICE rounds but hollow point kill a person rounds.

    That is a lot of ammo for an administration that has made it clear they would like to see guns taken up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIPAC View Post
    This I am not worried about. What I am worried about is the reportedly over 700 MILLION rounds of ammunition they just ordered for what are only supposed to be 120,000 Federal law enforcement officers . . .
    Here is their explanation.

    Why is DHS buying 450 million rounds of ammo?

    PolitiFact Texas | Chain email says Homeland Security purchasing many bullets perhaps in anticipation of civil unrest or an invasion

    Chain email says Homeland Security purchasing many bullets perhaps in anticipation of civil unrest or an invasion

    Stock up on soup. Account for children and pets. Lock the doors, dim the lights.

    A chain email forwarded to us by a reader March 24, 2012, suggests the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has mysteriously ordered a lot of bullets. Specifically, the email says, the department "has just executed an order for enough rounds of .40 caliber ammunition to kill every man, woman and child in the United States."

    "A shocking new defense contract entered by the 'department' to secure a massive amount of ammunition, with the option for infinite supply and infinite delivery, raising the question of just what they are preparing for?" the email says. "Massive civil unrest? An invasion by a foreign power? The order is to supply 450 Million Rounds of .40 Caliber ammunition which is more than one bullet for every single person in the United States."

    Yikes! Might the government be stocking up to battle civil unrest or resist an invasion?

    The declared number of bullets certainly exceeds the nation’s population. As of March 2012, according to U.S Census Bureau estimates, the country was home to 313 million people, making the ratio of bullets to residents about 1.4 to 1 -- if the email is firing on all cylinders.

    For insight about the .40-caliber bullet, we turned to Jeffrey Magers, a former police officer who teaches at California University of Pennsylvania. Magers said the described bullet is a standard police round used around the country. "They’re intended to flatten and do the most damage without passing through the body. It’s a shock-effect type of thing," he said in a telephone interview. "It’s intended to stop the threat."

    And did the government agree to buy 450 million rounds?

    The chain email links to a March 18, 2012, entry on the conservative Fellowship of the Minds blog referring to a posting on the PR Newswire website. On that site, we pulled up a March 12, 2012, release from Minnesota-based ATK, an aerospace, defense and commercial products company.

    The release says ATK has been awarded an "Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quality" agreement from Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement for .40 caliber ammunition. "This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds," the release says. It adds that ATK already was supplying such ammunition.

    The release, noting that deliveries are expected to begin in June 2012, quotes Ron Johnson, president of ATK's Security and Sporting group, saying that the bullet will "continue to serve those who keep our borders safe."

    Next, we reached Homeland Security spokesman Matthew Chandler who said by email that the cited quantity of up to 450 million rounds is "the quantity projected to be used over the next five years."

    "This contract is intended to be used by all (agency) components, except" the U.S. Coast Guard, he said, which uses ammunition obtained through the Defense Department. According to a Homeland Security web page, the agency’s 20-plus components include the Transportation Security Administration, which handles passenger screening at most airports; U.S. Customs and Border Protection, entrusted with keeping terrorists and their weapons out of the country and with enforcing immigration and drug laws; U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement; and the Secret Service.

    Chandler’s email continues: "This contract is part of the department’s strategic sourcing efforts to combine multiple previous contracts in order to leverage the purchasing power of the entire department, including the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center," another Homeland Security component, "which trains nearly all federal law enforcement personnel, to efficiently procure equipment and supplies."

    On its website, the Georgia-based center says it trains law officers for 90 federal agencies and also officers in state, local, tribal, and international law enforcement. Chandler said that in the 12 months through September 2011, over 11,000 students at the center fired over 11 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition, primarily in basic training.

    Chandler said earlier that Homeland Security oversees more than 135,000 weapons-carrying officers.

    Our calculation: If those officers go through all the possible 450 million rounds at the same rate each over five years -- admittedly, an unlikely balance -- each officer will have used about 667 bullets a year.

    Asked how the decision to purchase up to 450 million of the .40-caliber rounds compares to previous Homeland Security buys, Chandler said only that because the 2012 contract combines multiple previous contracts, it is different than "previous contract vehicles."

    Finally, we talked through the information provided by Homeland Security with Magers who said he believes the arranged-for rounds could be used by domestic law enforcement officers on duty, in training and in keeping their skills up. "Not only does every officer carry ammunition on their body and in close proximity, but every so often ... they are required to go out and qualify with that weapon. Any one officer is going to account for a lot of rounds in a year," Magers said. Also, he said, rounds get cycled out as officers ensure their equipment is ready when needed.

    "On its face, the type of ammunition and the amount of ammunition over a five-year period of time doesn’t sound extraordinarily excessive," Magers said. Of the chain email’s mention of a bullet for every man, woman and child, he said: "Whoever came up with this one bullet per person is trying to sensationalize this. That’s borderline irresponsible."

    Our ruling

    Homeland Security has contracted to buy up to 450 million .40-caliber bullets -- and that total exceeds the nation’s population. Significantly, though, the purchase contract covers five years; there’s no indication the agency is piling up the bullets in a hurry.

    More significantly, we found nothing to support the email’s ominous suggestions. Rather, the large size of the contract is explained as a way for the government to buy in bulk to save money on ammunition used routinely for training officers in a wide variety of agencies.

    We rate the email Mostly False.

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    Published: Monday, April 30th, 2012 at 6:00 a.m.

    ATK, press release, "ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE)," March 12, 2012

    Chain email, "Why Did The DHS Just Order 450 Million Rounds of .40 Caliber Ammunition?" (received by PolitiFact Texas March 24, 2012)

    Emails (excerpted), responses to PolitiFact Texas, Matthew Chandler, press secretary, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, April 18-23, 2012

    Telephone interviews, Jeffrey Magers, assistant professor, Professional Studies, California University of Pennyslvania, April 20 and 23, 2012

    Written by:W. Gardner Selby
    Researched by:W. Gardner Selby
    Edited by:John Bridges

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    I received another article about this showing purchase of over 700,000,000 rounds under Obama.

    That is over 5,000 rounds per US federal armed officer! A thousand rounds per fed officer per year seems awful high.

    And while that claim about the 11,000 training students firing 11 million rounds sounds compelling, very little of these orders from DHS being discussed are practice rounds or FMJ (Full metal jacket) These are expensive hollow point rounds designed to wreak havoc on flesh and to kill. Due to the expensive prices for ammo, I dont know anyone "practicing" with ultra expensive hollow point bullets.

    I think that what would be telling would be to see the data of how many rounds of ammo the Feds have been buying over the last 10-15 years?

    Anyone know where to find that?

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