Thread: Giuliani: HELL NO! Here's some reasons why

> AMERICA'S MARTINET: The DANGEROUS Candidacy of Rudy Giuliani
>
> The mass media sometimes calls him "America's mayor." Critics label him a
> dangerous fascist. Whether he's the alleged hero who "took charge" on
> September 11, 2001, or the frightening face of a new American Reich, it
> appears Rudolph Giuliani will carry George W. Bush's torch into the 2008
> presidential election.
>
> When Giuliani emerged from the toxic dust of the World Trade Center the
> national media caught a quick case of amnesia, preferring the iconic image
> of a "hero" over reality. They quickly forgot Giuliani's dismal tenure in
> mayoral office, his life-costing failures to address the threat of
> terrorism, and his sorry performance on the morning of September 11, 2001.
>
> Before picking up the "hero" moniker, Giuliani was commonly referred to in
> the city he governed as a despotic fascist and a mean-spirited thug. These
> accusations didn't just come from civil libertarians either. Former New
> York Mayor Ed Koch likened Giuliani to former Chilean dictator Augusto
> Pinochet. According to Koch, Giuliani "uses the levers of power to punish
> any critic." Koch went on to explain, "He doesn't have that right - that's
> why the First Amendment is so important." Yes, and by the end of 2002 the
> courts had found Giuliani in violation of that constitutional pillar of
> American freedom twenty-seven times!
>
> More than 35 successful lawsuits were brought against Giuliani and his
> administration for blocking free speech. In his book Speaking Freely, First
> Amendment lawyer Floyd Abrams said Giuliani had an "insistence on doing the
> one thing that the First Amendment most clearly forbids:
> using the power of government to restrict or punish speech critical of
> government itself."
>
> Giuliani's disdain for freedom of speech is best exemplified by the case of
> Robert Lederman, an artist that drew caricatures of Giuliani as a dictator
> and depicted his policies as transforming New York into a police state.
> Lederman was ARRESTED FORTY-ONE TIMES during Giuliani's reign, not by street
> cops but police brass under Giuliani's orders, for displaying his art at
> political demonstrations and on the streets of New York. All were false
> arrests, as Lederman was never convicted of a crime.
>
> In a similar fashion and again in brazen violation of the First Amendment,
> Giuliani ordered paid advertisements for New York Magazine removed from
> public buses because the ads touted the magazine as "possibly the only good
> thing in New York Rudy hasn't taken credit for." Giuliani's response to
> criticism thus often proves it was highly justified.
>
> According to the New York Times, the Daily News, and the New York Post, now
> New York State Governor Eliot Spitzer went on record in October 1998,
> saying, "the current Mayor thinks he's a dictator, and does not have
> sufficient respect not only for other branches of government, but also for
> the citizenry and its opportunities to speak out and be heard."
>
> Spitzer's statements, like Lederman's false arrests, stemmed from Giuliani's
> totalitarian "zero tolerance" policies, which he claimed would improve the
> "quality of life" in New York by punishing trivial violations such as
> jaywalking, drinking in public, marijuana possession, and panhandling, and
> even non-violations such as Lederman's persistent expressions of free
> speech. Under this policy, New Yorkers were handcuffed and dragged off to
> jail for peacefully drinking beer on their front stoops - the New York City
> equivalent of hanging out on the porch. Marijuana possession arrests
> increased by well over 4,000 percent. Arrests were even made for such
> things as riding a bike without a bell on it and sitting on milk crates on
> the sidewalk.
>
> Giuliani's courtship of rogue police officers and seduction of the NYPD to
> become his personal Gestapo began in September 1992, when he addressed an
> angry rally of cops protesting then-mayor Dinkins's proposal for a civilian
> board to review police misconduct.
>
> It was a rowdy, often threatening, crowd. Hundreds of white off-duty cops
> drank heavily (a violation for which, under Giuliani, many citizens would
> later be arrested), and a few waved signs like "Dump the Washroom
> Attendant," a racist reference to mayor Dinkins. Twice, Giuliani called the
> Dinkins proposal "bullshit." The crowd cheered, and Giuliani was jubilant.
> "Rudy was out there inciting white cops to riot," Mr. Dinkins stated.
>
> As mayor, Giuliani's racial and ethnic biases and favoritisms were blatant.
> For over a century the public use of firecrackers by the Asian-American
> community for their New Years celebration, a religious and cultural
> tradition, had been allowed. In 1997 though Giuliani lined Chinatown
> streets with hundreds of police to suppress this, and even refused to allow
> a permit for a professionally supervised display. The Christian equivalent
> of this would be banning Christmas trees and decorations because they
> occasionally start fires. Giuliani never relented on this. On the Jewish
> festival of Purim however, when fireworks are used in the streets of Jewish
> neighborhoods, the police continued to look the other way! They also
> ignored bonfires set in Jewish neighborhood streets to destroy leavened
> bread before Passover. Can you imagine the police response to this in any
> poor, Black, Hispanic, or Asian-American community? Giuliani's lasting
> legacy is that in New York fireworks are OK on Purim, but celebrate the 4th
> of July with them and you can get busted. So much for "Independence" Day.
>
> Eventually almost 70,000 citizens sued the city for such police abuses as
> strip-searching suspected jaywalkers. In 1999 James Savage, president of
> the New York City police union, referred to Giuliani's zero tolerance policy
> as "a blueprint for a police state and tyranny." Under the guise of fighting
> crime, Giuliani had thus transformed the NYPD into his own private Gestapo,
> going as far as assigning two NYPD detectives, at taxpayer expense, as
> round-the-clock bodyguards for his MISTRESS. This after his closing down
> all the strip clubs on "moral grounds!"
>
> Giuliani shored up control of the police department by appointing crony
> Howard Safir as commissioner. Safir then made the department's Street
> Crimes Unit into what New York journalist Nat Hentoff described as a "rogue
> operation" that made "Dirty Harry look like Mahatma Gandhi." Fashion-wise,
> the unit had a resemblance to Guatemala's notorious military death squads,
> wearing "We Own the Night" t-shirts, and shirts citing Ernest Hemingway's
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of man" quote - quite a variation from
> standard issue uniforms!
>
> This is the police unit that became notorious for shooting innocent African
> immigrant Amadou Diallo FORTY TIMES as he reached for his wallet after being
> ordered to show identification. When New Yorkers took to the streets to
> protest the unjustified killing, Giuliani told the press that people were
> protesting due to "their own personal inadequacies."
>
> Hatian immigrant Abner Louima, arrested in 1997 on a minor charge, was
> brutally beaten on the trip to Brooklyn's 70th precinct. There officers
> took him into a bathroom where convicted rogue cop Justin Volpe sadistically
> shoved a plunger handle up Louima's rectum, then forced the same object into
> his mouth, breaking his teeth. Louima was hospitalized with serious
> injuries, and stated that during his torture one of these sadists said to
> him "This is Giuliani time!"
>
> When Safir left, Giuliani appointed Bernard Kerik to take his place. This
> is the man Giuliani also recommended to head up Homeland Security. Kerik
> later pleaded guilty to accepting gifts and loans from businesses with
> alleged organized crime ties while he served as police commissioner.
>
> Some credit Giuliani's Draconian excesses with the drop in crime during his
> tenure, but he just happened to be in the right place at the right time to
> take credit for this. During this period crime dropped similarly
> nationwide, mostly the result of changing demographics and better policing
> methods.
>
> Eventually the Giuliani-sanctioned anything-goes extremism infected other
> units in the police department. When plainclothes cops asked a black man on
> the street to sell them marijuana, the man, Patrick Dorismond, took offense
> to being called a drug dealer and got into a scuffle with the unidentified
> officers, who then SHOT HIM DEAD. Giuliani issued a knee-jerk defense of
> the killer cops, telling the press that Dorismond was "no altar boy."
> Salon.com pointed out that in fact he WAS an altar boy! Desperate to
> justify the killing, Giuliani ordered the ILLEGAL release of Dorismond's
> sealed juvenile record - for disorderly conduct! It seems that under
> Giuliani, this justifies the death penalty. Giuliani's contribution to
> Dorismond's funeral was a squadron of police in full riot gear, inciting
> violence that would not have occurred without their unnecessary and
> disrespectful presence.
>
> Former schools Chancellor Rudy Crew, a one-time pal of Giuliani, stated:
> "There's something very deeply pathological about Rudy's humanity - He was
> barren, completely emotionally barren, on the issue of race." Giuliani's
> vile racism has even been acknowledged by his successor, Mayor Bloomberg:
> "You forget that every single decision [in the Giuliani administration],
> everybody, every story, everything was always couched in terms of race" -
> quoted in the November 4, 2003 Daily News from Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> By the time his ship came in on September 11, 2001, Giuliani's approval
> rating, according to a Quinnipiac University poll, had hit a Bush-like 37
> percent. Hizzoner got downright weird, proposing a Taliban-style "decency
> panel," operated out of his office, that would have the power to determine
> what would be considered "art" in New York City. This came after the
> debacle of Giuliani's failed attempt to cut public funding for the Brooklyn
> Museum because he considered art on exhibit there to be offensive. He also
> began having nightclubs lacking a cabaret license raided by the police for
> allowing patrons to dance. And early in 2001 he ordered a city-wide ban on
> pet ferrets, claiming there was something "deranged" about opponents of the
> ban, and that "excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness."
>
> In desperation to recover his plummeting popularity, Giuliani seized upon
> any and every opportunity to appear the "hero." Despite demanding a
> crackdown on speeding, his car and entourage were seen and reported in the
> press as greatly exceeding the speed limit in racing to locations of
> newsworthy events so he could appear there in front of the media cameras.
>
> Giuliani's perhaps most criminally negligent if not malevolent pretense to
> heroism came with his West Nile Virus hoax. This usually mild,
> mosquito-borne disease is not contagious person to person and is far less
> dangerous than common influenza, but Giuliani had the media play it up as an
> impending disaster, and came on like a knight in shining armor with a
> solution. His solution was far worse than the disease, and no doubt has
> caused and will cause many illnesses and deaths, as did his post-9/11
> assurances that the Ground Zero air was safe to breathe. He had the entire
> city repeatedly sprayed from the air with Malathion, a highly toxic
> insecticide, and completely disregarded the manufacturer's advised safety
> precautions in doing so. Note that malicious intent is far harder to prove
> in such environmental poisoning cases than when the police are ordered to
> falsely arrest someone, or tacitly encouraged to brutally beat suspects or
> shoot them to death.
>
> Regarding the Ground Zero air and the many now dead or dying therefrom,
> former EPA Secretary Christine Whitman has stated that she urged Ground Zero
> workers to wear respirators, but that Giuliani blocked her efforts, and also
> that the Giuliani administration appeared to be more concerned with its
> image than the safety and speedy response of EPA employees in the wake of
> the subsequent anthrax scare.
>
> Jerome Hauer was the city's emergency management director from 1996 to 2000,
> and is recognized as a leading expert on biological and chemical terrorism.
> "Rudy would make a terrible president and that is why I am speaking now," Mr
> Hauer told London's The Sunday Telegraph. "He's a control freak who
> micro-manages decisions, he has a confrontational character trait and picks
> fights just to score points. He's the last thing this country needs as
> president." Mr Hauer also accused Mr Giuliani of failing to sort out turf
> battles between the city's police and fire departments, and of appointing
> inexperienced cronies to key positions.
>
> Pet ferrets weren't the only ones to get the boot in Giuliani's New York.
> Hizzoner boasted of moving people from welfare to workfare, where thousands
> of people earned less than two dollars per hour replacing an equivalent
> number of parks department employees whose positions were downsized. During
> this period, 13,000 welfare-dependent City University students were FORCED
> TO LEAVE COLLEGE and enter the menial workfare force, where less than six
> percent of participants transition to real employment paying minimum wage or
> more. In this we see Giuliani's cruel rewarding of riches and punishing
> poverty, as if wealth and poverty were not inherently rewarding and
> punishing conditions.
>
> Mega-real estate developer Donald Trump described Giuliani as "maybe the
> best [mayor] ever," obviously meaning the most profitable for him. However,
> Ralph Nader called him "the oligarch's mayor." Giuliani took credit for a
> high-end real estate boom while presiding over double-digit rises in
> homelessness, cutting public spending on affordable housing by nearly half
> and housing for the homeless by nearly three quarters.
>
> Today, "America's mayor" lives and breathes a 9/11 mantra. Forget the
> pathetic, cruel, even sadistic details of his tenure in Gracie Mansion; he
> is now portrayed as an iconic American hero
> - the "leader" we needed when George W. Bush was otherwise occupied on
> September 11, 2001.
>
> But was Giuliani really a hero on that infamous day of horror?
>
> Just like Bush, Giuliani's failing political career was rescued by the
> terrorists that attacked New York and Washington on 9/11. Some believe
> these terrorists had help from within the US government, and even that some
> within the government itself were the terrorists. To find criminals, one
> must consider who most benefited from the crime.
>
> It is strange if not truly sinister that Giuliani stated to Peter Jennings
> in an interview that on 9/11 he had prior knowledge of the World Trade
> Center collapses, but subsequently he denied and continues to deny that he
> said this. Here Giuliani is caught in a direct lie - you can hear it at
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw More documentation can be found
> at: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html
>
> On 9/11 New York was left without an emergency command center because
> Giuliani, against the advice of both the police and fire departments,
> decided to locate the center conveniently near City Hall in World Trade
> Center building 7, along with tanks containing tens of thousands of gallons
> of fuel, in direct violation of New York City fire laws. This was despite a
> 1993 bombing of the WTC, proving it to be the number one terrorism target.
> It was this decision that put him on the street on 9/11 instead of inside a
> command center coordinating operations. Ironically, this decision also put
> him in front of hundreds of press cameras, sparking his image transformation
> into a "hero."
>
> While our "hero" was posing for the cameras, however, there was no
> communication possible between the police department and the fire
> department, whose REAL heroes were rushing to their deaths inside the
> towers. And there was likewise no communication between the police officers
> who identified an open stairway for escape from above the fire zone and the
> 911 phone operators who were telling soon-to-be-dead office workers to stay
> put and wait for the firefighters. Giuliani had been aware of the
> inadequacy of the emergency services' communications equipment for many
> years, but did absolutely nothing about it. This criminal negligence also
> doomed hundreds of firefighters and police that were unable to hear the
> orders to evacuate the north tower.
>
> Whatever possibility existed for communication between the police and fire
> departments, whose radios operated on different frequencies, evaporated when
> Giuliani visited a makeshift fire/police command center that had formed in
> his absence. There he ORDERED THE POLICE BRASS TO LEAVE and accompany him
> uptown. This "heroic leadership" effectively put the fire department and
> police department brass in different physical locations with no
> communication possible between them.
>
> Present Police Commissioner Ray Kelly stated that he doesn't have any idea
> who was in charge on 9/11 because Bernie Kerik and all the top chiefs in the
> police department basically acted as bodyguards to Giuliani and no one was
> running the shop.
>
> A month after the September 11 attacks, firefighters took to the streets to
> protest Giuliani's decision to limit the number of uniformed firefighters
> and police officers sifting through the rubble for remains, and the "scoop
> and dump" haste of the cleanup. They accused the administration of rushing
> the cleanup at the cost of trashing the remains of victims. [And, it is
> pointed out by 9/11 conspiracy theorists, to dispose of any incriminating
> evidence as quickly as possible. The steel, some claim bearing evidence of
> demolition explosives, was shipped to China and quickly melted down.] At
> the firefighters' demonstration Giuliani, in signature style, ordered Peter
> Gorman, head of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, and Kevin
> Gallagher, head of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, to be ARRESTED at
> the protest site! A spokesperson for Gallagher told the media "The mayor
> fails to realize that New York City is not a dictatorship." Gorman went a
> step further, joining hordes of New Yorkers calling the mayor a "fascist" -
> which brings us back to the fascistic conduct issue that dogged Giuliani
> throughout his mayoral tenure.
>
> Giuliani often answers the charge by accusing his detractors of ethnic
> bias - as if "fascist" were somehow an ethnic slur against
> Italian-Americans. His charge itself, however, reeks of
> anti-Italian-American ethnic bias, ignoring the role New York's
> Italian-American community has played in local politics - giving the city,
> for example, its most revered mayor, Fiorello LaGuardia. The fascist
> charges do not stem from Giuliani's ethnicity, they stem from his own
> actions and statements, such as:
>
> " - FREEDOM IS NOT A CONCEPT IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT, BE
> ANYTHING THEY CAN BE. FREEDOM IS ABOUT AUTHORITY. FREEDOM IS ABOUT THE
> WILLINGNESS OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING TO CEDE TO LAWFUL AUTHORITY A GREAT
> DEAL OF DISCRETION ABOUT WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT."
> - Mayor Giuliani, quoted in the New York Times, March 17, 1994.
>
> Though sworn to uphold our Constitution, by the end of 2002 the courts had
> found Giuliani in violation of the First Amendment TWENTY-SEVEN TIMES.
> Mayor David Dinkins, his predecessor in office, bravely stated that Giuliani
> is " - a bully, mean-spirited, and he rules through fear and intimidation."
>
> At reason.com/blog, one finds a statement by David Weigel regarding
> Giuliani:
>
> "This is the cornerstone of his philosophy: For liberty to thrive, you need
> to dramatically empower the state and the legal system. Criminals and
> would-be criminals should have less freedom in order for the rest of us to
> enjoy our freedoms. This is the framework he's applied to basically every
> issue - "
>
> Who, we must ask, are the "would-be criminals?" Obviously ALL OF US, as at
> one time or another everyone knowingly or unknowingly commits a violation
> such as jaywalking, speeding, or drinking in public. So under Giuliani's
> rule we ALL have less freedom, and the priveleged "rest of us" are those
> that rule over us, the "dramatically empowered" state. Does this sound like
> something out of Mein Kampf?
>
> And you thought that George W. Bush was a dangerous tyrant?
>
> When the lessons of history are ignored, history repeats.
>
> Compare the following to the above Giuliani "Freedom" quote:
> "State authority must provide for peace and order, and peace and order in
> turn must conversely make possible the existence of state authority. Within
> these two poles all life must now revolve...Ideas of 'freedom,' mostly of a
> misunderstood nature, inject themselves into the state conceptions of these
> circles." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.
>
> And an old but relevant news story:
> Berlin, Monday, Aug. 20, 1934 -- Eighty-nine and nine-tenths percent of the
> German voters endorsed in yesterday's plebiscite Chancellor Hitler's
> assumption of greater power than has ever been possessed by any other ruler
> in modern times. Nearly 10 per cent indicated their disapproval. The
> result was expected.
>
> RECOMMENDED READING:
>
> Giuliani: Nasty Man - by Edward I. Koch, former NYC mayor.
>
> Giuliani Time (DVD) - with David Dinkins, Ron Kuby, Wayne Barrett, Rudolph
> W. Giuliani, Kevin Keating.
>
> Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11 - by Wayne
> Barrett and Dan Collins.
>
> "Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend" can be viewed at
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO- ... d%2Ecom%2F
>
>

While throwing American citizens in prison for dropping a gum wrapper on the sidewalk, Ghoul-iani was rolling out the red carpet for illegals, big time. This guy is downright dangerous.

He!!, he doesn't even make a decent drag queen.

http://www.brandens.net/files/Sounds/CLIPS/AUSTIN4.WAV

So why the HELL is he being touted as a top-tier candidate? What makes him so appealing? I can't figure it out for the life of me. So he was there on 9-11 -- so what??

Because he is one that the elites want!

Originally Posted by jjmm

So why the HELL is he being touted as a top-tier candidate? What makes him so appealing? I can't figure it out for the life of me. So he was there on 9-11 -- so what??

OBL and MSM, no other reason. They want their pro-amnesty globalist. MSM will promote the Dems, and the most liberal Rep -- to cover all of their bases........OBL will promote ANYONE, Rep or Dem, who favors corporatism, open borders, globalism, and NAU.....

Goes to show you why GWB was the "front runner" running up to the primaries back in '99. The only difference this time, is that we are on to them. The gig is up, now it is time to cut the legs from under Rudy and revolutionize the process.....or shall I say, "restore" it to what the founders had intended.

A cross dresser that has been married, what -- like 3 times? How American has fallen from what it once deemed the required characteristics of a president.

Originally Posted by jjmm

A cross dresser that has been married, what -- like 3 times? How American has fallen from what it once deemed the required characteristics of a president.

My only hope is that the evangelicals do us a favor and destroy his candidacy.......I wonder how Fred Thompson sits with them.....

BearFlag,

A better question might be how does Fred Thompson sit with us? I'd prefer Tancredo or Ron Paul, myself.

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"I've never given anybody hell; I just tell the truh on them, and they think it's hell!" - Harry Truman

Originally Posted by Gadfly

BearFlag,

A better question might be how does Fred Thompson sit with us? I'd prefer Tancredo or Ron Paul, myself.

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"I've never given anybody hell; I just tell the truh on them, and they think it's hell!" - Harry Truman

Oh I know where he sits with us, Gadfly. He sits at the train-station as the USA Express charges to victory! I just think that we need a little help defeating him. The evangelicals can serve that prupose with Ghouliani......but Fred may just be more dangerous, because he could get their support.