Thread: Here’s the proof that Ted Cruz has never supported amnesty, legalization, or citizens

Here’s the proof that Ted Cruz has never supported amnesty, legalization, or citizenship for illegal immigrants

In Election, Immigration by Poor RichardDecember 18, 20154 Comments

That photo is Ted Cruz showing his disapproval at the stench of the amendment process for Marco Rubio’s amnesty bill back on May 9, 2013. Marco Rubio’s campaign has been trying to turn the tables on Ted Cruz now that Ted Cruz is breaking away from him in the polls. Remember, Rubio was one of the authors of the infamous “Gang of 8 Bill” for immigration reform that would have allowed a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. Ted Cruz, along with Steve King and Jeff Sessions, led the fight to defeat the bill, and one of the mechanisms they used to defeat the bill was Cruz’s proposal of an amendment to permanently strip illegal aliens of a pathway to citizenship. Rubio’s team is now trying to say that offering that amendment meant that Cruz supported a “legal status” for aliens currently residing in the US illegally.

But here’s the rub: Cruz’s amendment said absolutely nothing about a legal status. The only thing it did was ban illegal aliens from ever obtaining citizenship. Here’s the proof:



That is the entire amendment to the Gang of 8 bill offered up by Ted Cruz. One page. Here’s the text of the amendment:

INELIGIBILITY FOR UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP OF PERSONS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN WILLFULLY IN UNITED STATES IN UNLAWFUL STATUS. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person who is or has previously been willfully present in the United States while not in lawful status under the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) shall be eligible for United States citizenship.

One single paragraph.

It says nothing about a legal status for illegal immigrants currently residing in the US. It says nothing about amnesty. It simply rules out citizenship for illegal aliens. Period.

Although Cruz’s amendment was rejected by the Gang of 8 (including Rubio), what it did was prove once and for all that the entire bill was designed to provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. Some are calling this a “poison pill,” and that might be an apt description because just its introduction helped killed the bill in the Senate.

Here’s video of Cruz explaining the whole thing to a skeptical Greta Van Susteren: (VIDEO CAN BE SEEN AT LINK)

Now, Ted Cruz and his cohorts were clever to use the language of Democrats by saying things like “come out of the shadows,” and that’s really the only sticking point in the current political fight.

Around here we have a name for this: “Compromise in the right direction.” One of the reasons Republican leadership is so atrocious in Congress is that they have no idea how to compromise. Whenever Republicans compromise, it always means giving up on Constitutional principles and giving in to Democrat demands. It almost never means that they minimize the damage inflicted by Democrat proposals. Ted Cruz took a bill that looked like it was going to pass and tried to “compromise in the right direction.,” in a more Constitutional direction, and when his proposed compromise was rejected, the bill died on the Senate floor. It was a victory for Ted Cruz and for the Constitution.

Ted Cruz is one of the only reasons we don’t have a pathway to citizenship for illegals already codified in US law. He never voted for amnesty. He never voted for a legal status. He only offered an amendment that would have taken the teeth out of Rubio’s awful bill.

Ted Cruz has never supported amnesty. Everybody knows that, and anybody who says otherwise is being willfully dishonest.

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Correction to the above. The gang of eight bill was not killed per say in the U.S. Senate but it was never voted on in the House because of the actions of Sen. Sessions, Sen. Cruz, and several other Republicans that spoke out against the bill in the Senate.

LOL!! That's hilarious!! Just forget altogether all the statements by Ted Cruz "caught on tape" "under oath" supporting legal status for illegal aliens in sworn testimony during US Senate committee hearings. Just forget all that and make it true. Oh yeah, and forget all the confirmations that his position had not changed this year that were published by the Dallas newspaper.

Ted Cruz supports legal status for illegal aliens without citizenship and has since the day his feet hit the floor of the US Senate. If you believe he changed his mind after being cornered on it by Rubio as Cruz stood next to Trump in the 5th GOP Debate, then have at it.

This is the same ole double-talk, promising one thing and doing another, Trump is fighting against.

Judy wrote:

This is the same ole double-talk, promising one thing and doing another, Trump is fighting against.

Funny you should say that, because isn't Trump guilty of the exact same thing? Saying he does't support amnesty but giving illegals an expedited return (moving them to the front of the line) after being deported sound like "double-talk" and amnesty to me.

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote:



Funny you should say that, because isn't Trump guilty of the exact same thing? Saying he does't support amnesty but giving illegals an expedited return (moving them to the front of the line) after being deported sound like "double-talk" and amnesty to me.

No, he isn't. Unlike Cruz who wants to give them legal status instead of deport them, Donald Trump is going to deport them. Once they're deported, that's it under current law. Anything for them here wouldn't be available for 10 years without an Act of Congress, which I don't see forthcoming on any "expedited" course. Do you?

Funny, below is a copy of Trump's immigration plan. Nowhere do I see any mention of "giving illegals an expedited return (moving them to the front of the line)". I have heard mention of bringing them back legally. This statement by Trump is always surrounded by "maybe" and "the good ones". What I see in his plan is that they will come back once American citizens are back to work 1st. Trump's comment to bring them back reminds me of when Houstonian's voted for a toll road to be put in. The government sold us on the idea by saying that once the tolls had paid for the road that the toll booths would be removed. Trick is, they keep widening lanes, adding and removing ramps and toll stations, so the road is never finished and we continue to pay to drive. IMO, Trump's doing the same thing. Selling us (negotiating as he does) on the idea of getting them out. Hey guys, we'll bring 'em back (maybe & some of the good ones), but 1st they have to go. Then we'll expedite a way for them to come back. But his policy says otherwise. As long as there are jobs that Americans can fill, they ain't coming back.

Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again

The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan
When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).
In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.
The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:

Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.
Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.
Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages

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This plan and others may be found at www.donaldjtump.com

Who says he's vague on his policies. B.S.

-Stop the invasion with mass deportation!!

You're right Goldendaze, there is no plan to return illegal aliens and Trump is very detailed in his immigration policy.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Goldendaze

Funny, below is a copy of Trump's immigration plan. Nowhere do I see any mention of "giving illegals an expedited return (moving them to the front of the line)". I have heard mention of bringing them back legally. This statement by Trump is always surrounded by "maybe" and "the good ones". What I see in his plan is that they will come back once American citizens are back to work 1st. Trump's comment to bring them back reminds me of when Houstonian's voted for a toll road to be put in. The government sold us on the idea by saying that once the tolls had paid for the road that the toll booths would be removed. Trick is, they keep widening lanes, adding and removing ramps and toll stations, so the road is never finished and we continue to pay to drive. IMO, Trump's doing the same thing. Selling us (negotiating as he does) on the idea of getting them out. Hey guys, we'll bring 'em back (maybe & some of the good ones), but 1st they have to go. Then we'll expedite a way for them to come back. But his policy says otherwise. As long as there are jobs that Americans can fill, they ain't coming back.

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This plan and others may be found at www.donaldjtump.com

Who says he's vague on his policies. B.S.

-Stop the invasion with mass deportation!!

The information provided is directly from his website. You need to read a few of the several interviews he has given on his promise to "fix it" where the "good ones" can come right back through an expedited process. He has folks on his staff that sit down and write policies papers that they feel will benefit the campaign. Where the candidates really say what they feel is when being questioned in an interview. Then they aren't reading from a script or looking at a teleprompter.

I know die hard Trump supporters want to believe Trump will be our savior, and maybe he will. However, all candidates, including Trump, need to be well vetted so the masses can make an intelligent decision as to his trustworthiness and credibility. Regardless of what some Trump supporters want to believe, No candidate is perfect, and that includes Trump, Cruz, etc. They all have their faults and it is important to know those faults so we can weigh the bad with the good in our individual decision process. An informed voter is a wise voter.

Originally Posted by MW

The information provided is directly from his website. You need to read a few of the several interviews he has given on his promise to "fix it" where the "good ones" can come right back through an expedited process. He has folks on his staff that sit down and write policies papers that they feel will benefit the campaign. Where the candidates really say what they feel is when being questioned in an interview. Then they aren't reading from a script or looking at a teleprompter.

I know die hard Trump supporters want to believe Trump will be our savior, and maybe he will. However, all candidates, including Trump, need to be well vetted so the masses can make an intelligent decision as to his trustworthiness and credibility. Regardless of what some Trump supporters want to believe, No candidate is perfect, and that includes Trump, Cruz, etc. They all have their faults and it is important to know those faults so we can weigh the bad with the good in our individual decision process. An informed voter is a wise voter.

Oh, well, Wise Voter, how have all those wise votes you cast working out for you? Last I heard we have about 30 million illegal aliens in the country, they've raised green cards numbers from 675,000 to 1.1 million per year and increased H1B visas from 65,000 to over 200,000 per year, and just increased H2B visas by another 200,000 per year, Obama's given DACA and DAPA to 5 million DREAMERS, admitted over 3,000,000 legal immigrants in 2015 alone, let terrorists in to kill people on fiance visas, and Congress has funded it all.

I don't think it's smart to call yourself wise when the results prove otherwise.

It's time to stop believing political lies in journalistic garbage and start believing in someone who wants to deport illegal aliens who has the will and skill to accomplish it. Yeah, I realize this is a first and for some reason it's scary to you. But it's politically unwise if not incomprehensibly stupid to think that you can change the mind of a Trump Supporter, because we're all-in to win.

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh, well, Wise Voter, how have all those wise votes you cast working out for you? Last I heard we have about 30 million illegal aliens in the country, they've raised green cards numbers from 675,000 to 1.1 million per year and increased H1B visas from 65,000 to over 200,000 per year, and just increased H2B visas by another 200,000 per year, Obama's given DACA and DAPA to 5 million DREAMERS, admitted over 3,000,000 legal immigrants in 2015 alone, let terrorists in to kill people on fiance visas, and Congress has funded it all.

I don't think it's smart to call yourself wise when the results prove otherwise.

It's time to stop believing political lies in journalistic garbage and start believing in someone who wants to deport illegal aliens who has the will and skill to accomplish it. Yeah, I realize this is a first and for some reason it's scary to you. But it's politically unwise if not incomprehensibly stupid to think that you can change the mind of a Trump Supporter, because we're all-in to win.

You need to stop right now with the mocking, derogatory, and malicious remarks! If you can't comment in a civil manner to a post not directed at you, please don't respond at all. Thank you.