Thread: PARTY over POLITICS?

This is just a thought I'm throwing out. Granted, some, okay, many of my ideas are borderline radical. But often after I disclose them I see others implementing them elsewhere. So here for discussion, thoughts, and opinions;

We know that the two main parties are all about PARTY. Who has the key to the cash register NOW? They kicked the stool out from under McCain and ran with GW in the primary because he was the one who didn't have radical reform ideas, and would do what daddy told him was good for the CFR and their cronies.

I wonder if there is a way, by citizens signing a (okay I'm lost for the word here... promissory note) and registering as independents, and swear that if Ron Paul doesn't win the primary, they will switch to vote Democratic in the presidential election, and what would happen?

The only promissory notes they are into are the ones they drop in the social security coffer each day for their BS ideas.

badlarry wrote:

I wonder if there is a way, by citizens signing a (okay I'm lost for the word here... promissory note) and registering as independents, and swear that if Ron Paul doesn't win the primary, they will switch to vote Democratic in the presidential election, and what would happen?

Geez, that's worse than the individuals that voted Democrat in the last election just to payback the Republican party that they felt betrayed them. Look at what that got us - a Democrat controlled Congress. Are you willing to stick to your word and vote Democrat if Paul doesn't win? Aren't things difficult enough for us right now in the battle against illegal immigration without stacking the odds even further against us?

Unfortunately, with the exception of a handful of Democrats, the Republican party is our only hope in the battle for enhanced border security and stepped-up enforcement against illegal immigrants. If Paul didn't make it through the primaries, your scenario would prove disasterious. In other words, it would all be over for us but the crying.

Thank you, but no thank you.

My opinion is probably a little biased because I support Duncan Hunter, however, we'll see what others think.

I think we should all go independent if Ron, Tom, and Duncan don't win. We should register independent, and STAY that way until a new party arises. The Dem Party is FUBAR -- sold out to multiculturalists a LONG time ago, and more recently to globalist corporations. The Rep Party is also FUBAR, while multiculturalists have less of a strangle-hold over them, globalists corporations have an even greater hold of them than the Dems. That is where I disagree with MW, the Rep Party is not the answer in my book. It is saturated with globalist money. You find more "free traders" in the Rep Party than the Dem Party.

Conclusion: Go independent, try to encourage one of our candidates to run as one -- sources say they would have a great chance if they did. If that doesn't work, stay independent so as to hasten the downfall of the Rep Party, and the emergence of a new Patriot Party to sweep the nation and save our civilization.

I support ron paul, but I would not relinquish my vote even he doesn't win to a group that panders and wants socialism....

I understand where you are coming from... but that is like saying, if I don't get a full course meal, I will eat sh#t for the rest of my life! hahahahahahaha....

for me though, its RON PAUL or bust....

but if ron paul has an "accident" which I think he might, I will wholely support tancredo and/or hunter.

BearFlagRepublic wrote:

That is where I disagree with MW, the Rep Party is not the answer in my book.

I never said the Republican Party was the answer. Basically, what I said was, they are better than the alternative (Democrats) on the issue of illegal immigration. Can anyone, with a straight face, deny that? I hope some haven't forgotten, it is the Republicans that have kept us in this fight.

Conclusion: Go independent, try to encourage one of our candidates to run as one -- sources say they would have a great chance if they did. If that doesn't work, stay independent so as to hasten the downfall of the Rep Party, and the emergence of a new Patriot Party to sweep the nation and save our civilization.

What sources?

I wouldn't hold my breath for third party dominance. We need to face reality, we're going to be stuck with a two party system for years to come. IMHO, our best bet is to fix the Republican Party through elections and demands, not pray for a dream party to materialize. Plus, as I'm sure you know, the independents in the U.S. Congress (Sen. Liberman and Rep. Sanders) caucus with the Democrats, and for the most part they alway have.

I respect your opinion on this, BearFlagRepublic, however, I think it would be much easier to fix what's already in place than hope to replace it completely. Sure, the Republican party has problems, but be careful of what you ask for because we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater where the Republican party is concerned. To do so may only act to further embed the Democrats. I don't think our cause can handle that.

Forming a so-called "Patriot Party" is a nice thought, but Americans are a diverse group and getting enough of them to support a specific party that has no history would be an extremely difficult endeavor, if not impossible. Like I said earlier, I think fixing what we already have would be much easier and more productive for us in the short term (short term is a relative expression that could encompass many years).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a person should never support a Democrat, because there a a few good ones on the issue of illegal immigration, however, my personal interest in them quickly diminishes outside the illegal immigrant/border security issue. Who's to say it wouldn't be the same with a different party? I may agree with them on some issues, but certainly not all issues. Who knows, even then I may still find that I share more Republican values than I do the new party.

Exactly what do you expect from a new party? Do you want the centrist and moderates of the Republican Party to branch off and form a new party? Perhaps you would like the true hard-line conservatives to break away and form a separate party. I could go for that, but then you'd lose the centrist and moderates and wouldn't have the votes necessary to make the party viable. Sorry, I just don't see where this new party is going to come from.

I still don't thing I fully expressed what I was attempting to say in this post, even with all the redundancy and rambling.

I think the Republican Party is beyond hope. Have any of you ever looked at the Constitution Party?

http://constitutionparty.com/

If everyone who is disgusted with the Republicans and the Democrats would join with the Constitution Party, I believe this party would be able to win. But we are all too AFRAID to vote for a third party, because we THINK they don't have a chance. So we continue to try to vote for the lesser of the TWO evils. BUT the lesser of two evils is still EVIL!

If neither Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, nor Duncan Hunter (and I'm not even sure about him) win the Republican nomination, I will either vote for a third party or write in Ron Paul. I am so sick of all the garbage in our government, and I'm not going to condone it in any way, shape, or fashion anymore!

Current Governmnent Evaluation:

Executive Branch FUBAR
Legislative Branch FUBAR
Judicial Branch (after decision in Hazleton case) FUBAR

Is that enough to explain to us where, We the People" are in this fight to save our Nation?

Originally Posted by MW

What sources?

Rasmussen. Pat Buchanan quoted a poll done about a year ago where they said that if a Third Party candidate ran with making border security and building the fence his/her top priority, they would run even with the Dem and destroy the Rep.

Forming a so-called "Patriot Party" is a nice thought, but Americans are a diverse group and getting enough of them to support a specific party that has no history would be an extremely difficult endeavor, if not impossible. Like I said earlier, I think fixing what we already have would be much easier and more productive for us in the short term (short term is a relative expression that could encompass many years).

Both major parties agree on fundamental issues that the America people care about.....My proposed new party would put these issue at the top of its platform: immigration and outsourcing. Think Lou Dobbs. Is he a Rep? Is he a Dem? He is neither, and he voices the opinions of America in contrast to the two ruling parties. How are we going to fix the Rep Party? How are we going to change a party that answers top globalist corporations above all else? A party awash in globalist finance money. Their bought MW, and we can not compete with the richest corporations in the world and their paid for pols who are in love with globalism.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a person should never support a Democrat, because there a a few good ones on the issue of illegal immigration, however, my personal interest in them quickly diminishes outside the illegal immigrant/border security issue. Who's to say it wouldn't be the same with a different party? I may agree with them on some issues, but certainly not all issues. Who knows, even then I may still find that I share more Republican values than I do the new party.

I put immigration and globalism far above all other issues. Until immigration is fixed, the rest of the issues do not amount to a hill of pinto beans. What use are all of these wedge issues if our entire nation goes down in flames into a Third World cess pool?

Exactly what do you expect from a new party? Do you want the centrist and moderates of the Republican Party to branch off and form a new party? Perhaps you would like the true hard-line conservatives to break away and form a separate party. I could go for that, but then you'd lose the centrist and moderates and wouldn't have the votes necessary to make the party viable. Sorry, I just don't see where this new party is going to come from.

I would like to see Tom, Duncan, and Ron breaking away to for a new party. Along with Rohrabacher and other like-minded congressmen. From the Dems I would like Byron Dorgan and the "Lou Dobbs Democrats" in the House to join them. Yes, Dems took control in 06, but they are not all fire-breathing leftists. Many ran to the RIGHT of their Republican counterparts on immigration, and almost all of them are staunchly anti-outsourcing. The election was not just a vote against Bush's handling of the war -- it reflected the voter's desire for what Pat Buchanan calls "economic nationalism."

Basically, I want a party that mirrors the views of Lou Dobbs -- anti-illegal immigration, anti-outsourcing, pro-middle class, pro-American, pro-campaign finance reform. Its not a dream MW. The course I see in the future is the same that created the Republican Party itself, when its Whig predecessor died, and before them the Federalists. We have always had a 2 party system, but the party on the right has evolved several times. It seems the natural evolution of our 2 party system. Especially when one party fails to fundamentally deal with the pressing concerns of the day. The Rep Party looks like a dying party that will splinter in the coming years, and I welcome that.

BearFlagRepublic wrote:

The Rep Party looks like a dying party that will splinter in the coming years, and I welcome that.

Each to their own, but you do know that if that happend the Democrats would be an overwhelming majority in the U.S. Congress for many years, and one would be serving as President of the United States. Goodbye Republic, and hello socialist state.

If such a situation were to happen, it would take years, maybe decades, for the ship to right itself. In the meantime, the Democrats will have turned this country upside down and it'll be too late to reverse the damage. If the Republican Party splinters as you predict, so will the votes. Nope, I stand by my original statement, it would be much more practical to fix the problem vice rebuilding a new machine.

Both major parties agree on fundamental issues that the America people care about.....

Absolutely not true, it's fundamental issues that separate the two parties. Furthermore, the illegal immigration issue runs contrary to your comment. The rule of law is a very fundamental issue, however, the Democrats completely ignore that aspect of the immigration debate. Moreover, liberal judges are another fine example that prove the two parties are very separate on issues of law and order, right from wrong.

Just because Lou Dobbs is an Independent doesn't mean he doesn't vote Republican. Anyone that watches the show can tell he leans more to the left than he does to the right.

As for the Republicans that embrace the corporate globalist - we do the same thing we'd do with a weed in our garden - we weed 'em out! A hoe would be a little violent, so I suggest we use our votes instead.

I would like to see Tom, Duncan, and Ron breaking away to for a new party. Along with Rohrabacher and other like-minded congressmen. From the Dems I would like Byron Dorgan and the "Lou Dobbs Democrats" in the House to join them.

I'd love to see it too, but unfortunately it won't happen.