Thread: PARTY over POLITICS?

Originally Posted by MW

Each to their own, but you do know that if that happend the Democrats would be an overwhelming majority in the U.S. Congress for many years, and one would be serving as President of the United States. Goodbye Republic, and hello socialist state.

I don't think so. The next election, yes. But SOMEONE has to step up to counter the Dems. The Reps have failed with their pro-amnesty president, their CAFTA, their embracing trade with China. There is a vacuum that needs to be filled. the Reps have failed to do so, therefor the vacuum will be filled by another.

If such a situation were to happen, it would take years, maybe decades, for the ship to right itself. In the meantime, the Democrats will have turned this country upside down and it'll be too late to reverse the damage. If the Republican Party splinters as you predict, so will the votes. Nope, I stand by my original statement, it would be much more practical to fix the problem vice rebuilding a new machine.

If the Dems do as bad as you say, and I agree they will, they will not dominate anything. A counter-balence will take hold. The GOP has failed to be that counterbalence.

Absolutely not true, it's fundamental issues that separate the two parties. Furthermore, the illegal immigration issue runs contrary to your comment. The rule of law is a very fundamental issue, however, the Democrats completely ignore that aspect of the immigration debate. Moreover, liberal judges are another fine example that prove the two parties are very separate on issues of law and order, right from wrong.

Immigration? Trade? Campaign finance reform? They agree on far too much that goes in opposition to the populace.

Just because Lou Dobbs is an Independent doesn't mean he doesn't vote Republican. Anyone that watches the show can tell he leans more to the left than he does to the right.

I sure watch his show, and I know he would agree with exactly what I am saying here. In fact, I am kinda parroting his views. He is against both parties, and in his book endorsed the idea of everyone registering independent. As far as him being more "right." Well, I know a lot of people who would label him a socialist. Some columnists have even expressed this publicly. I definitely don't think that he is, but he is certainly to the left of many REPUBLICAN politicians on economic issues.

As for the Republicans that embrace the corporate globalist - we do the same thing we'd do with a weed in our garden - we weed 'em out! A hoe would be a little violent, so I suggest we use our votes instead.

How? They have all of the money. Rudy or Thompson will get the nomination because of this. And if we stick with the Reps, we can enjoy more of the same....

I'd love to see it too, but unfortunately it won't happen.

I will do what I can to make sure that it does....Fortunately, the Rep globalists are destroying the party, and hastening the creation for a Third Party for me

Ron Paul has shown his intellectual ability. He is one of the few canidates that needs to make me learn his bullet points.

Im a one page man. Americans may not have the intellectual capacity to fall in love with RP.

He does force others to come clean on economic policy. but three videos is two and a half too many for most americans.

And I still dont know where he stands on illegal immigration.

Wow. I got by FAR the most reply here than any other forum, and good thought provoking scenarios and intelligent answers with no scynicism < ok I give up I can't spell that. I'm proud of youz guyz.

I always register independent and vote republican. When they kicked the stool out from under McCain I just COULDN'T put an X next to the idjuts name. His old man was still stuck in my craw. All I could see was his stupid face on TV saying "Read my lips. No new taxes!" and I was going to vote for his idjut son? NOT!

Thanks for the replies all. I'll have to consider for a while longer if I'm stubborn enough to eat that if I don't get my full course. It's possible. :P If it sends a good strong message. I always vote against Kennedy but the bloated mess still has his ass glued to his seat.

Affidavit might be the word I was trying to think of.

There are no parties - at least no Rep/Dem. They have different rhetoric - and different pet projects. These pet projects are the pork each gets to take home and that keeps the people voting their 'party'.

On the things that are destroying the America people and our country, these two 'groups' have worked hand in glove to accomplish it.

They have maybe postured, shuffled up to the cameras and whined about being 'outnumbered' or 'duped' or whatever - but push comes to shove they all worked together to accomplish this disaster.

Our government has
Outsourced American jobs,
Imported foreign workers to put Americans out of work
Made suicidal trade deals
Encouraged and protected illegal immigration
Used our money to subsidize illegal workers

Now these things have been marching along for 40 or more years. It has progressed through a democratic congress - a republican congress and a REpublican administration and Democratic administration and mixtures of the two.

No matter the make up - the agenda has marched steadily forward.

Remember just because one party is in the majority, doesn't mean everyone in the 'minority' party is suddenly helpless, hogtied, gagged, chained. They still have lots of clout and power. They like to tell us they don't - but that's ludicrous.

Isn't anyone getting the picture here?

Just my opinion, but to continue to stay with the myth of 'party' is nothing more than the collar around our necks they are using to lead us.

Trix, I think really, EVERyone gets what's going on. Even the flocks of sheep we perceive as asleep at the wheel. Just that they are all too lax to get off their lazy ass and DO anything. If ONE out of every TEN people who take issue with things that I say showed up on the street with me every week with a sign in their hands and helped educate and wake others up, we would have an army ready to shake and rattle Washington.

I think that most posters just need a place to mope and whine on their lunch break at their little cubicle at work, and after 5:00 they forget all about the real issues, problems, and solutions at hand. It's easy to talk the talk. As long as things are going well in THEIR little corner of the world, most American's won't activate. And that's why the rest of the world MOD EDIT on us constantly.

WEll, Larry I think you are right.

There is , and you still hear it coming through sometimes that people still cling to some shred of hope in 'their party'.

That is the suicidal track that has kept us tied down for 60 years - actually more. There was a time, however, when we could count on even the 'other party' to not actually destroy the nation and give it away. If they tried, we could count on the 'opposition' to stop them.

Now we have got to understand that they both are working to do so.

Personally, I would rather no one ever mentioned Democrat or Republican again. We need to just make them as irrelevant in speech as they are in real life.

Originally Posted by nntrixie

Personally, I would rather no one ever mentioned Democrat or Republican again. We need to just make them as irrelevant in speech as they are in real life.

Well it seems that MSM and Big Businesses are driven by politics!!! Some free market this country is as its controlled by these lobbyist pigs!!! And on top of that Church interfering with State issues too!!!

Originally Posted by BorderLegionnaire

Originally Posted by nntrixie

Personally, I would rather no one ever mentioned Democrat or Republican again. We need to just make them as irrelevant in speech as they are in real life.

Well it seems that MSM and Big Businesses are driven by politics!!! Some free market this country is as its controlled by these lobbyist pigs!!! And on top of that Church interfering with State issues too!!!

Of course, these are driven by politics - but not partisan politics.

I didn't say poltics wasn't involved - just not party politics - except in a minute way - and except for misdirecting the people.

A corporate honcho was being interviewed and was asked if his company contributed more to one party or the other. He answered to the effect that it depended on the situation but basically, 'We butter our bread on both sides."

We have got to turn loose of that party politics apron string. It is not a lifeline, it is a noose.