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    How many RAPES/MURDERS for that cheap hamburger?

    Big Buisness LOVES 'CHEAP LABOR' folks, but its not cheap, it has MORAL CONSEQUENCES. With third world ILLEGAL ALIEN LABOR, your TAXRATES GO UP, as well as the MURDER RATE, AND RAPE RATE. How many children were molested for that cheap hamburger - my Open Borders REPUBLICAN???

    The OPEN BORDER REPUBLICANS are FILTH. Cheap hamburger, but MORE RAPES AND MURDERS. Who cares? Its a CHEAP HAMBURGER-AT ANY COST!

    Tell the women......all the women, THEY AND thier childeren are in harms way,


    ANYONE HAVE STATISTICS FOR ILLEGALS RAPING AND MURDERING AMERICANS?- THATS WHY WE DONT WANT THEM...- K-I-S-S

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    check this site: www.predatoryaliens.com

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    from the above site....

    During the 2004 Fiscal Year, which ended September 30, 2004, DRO officers removed more than 85,000 criminal aliens, of which approximately 65,000 were Mexican. ICE, March 10, 2005, ICE Deports Violent Convict to Mexico

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    Thats a good site, but in BOULDER colorado 2 years ago there were 12 illegal alien RAPES....for a small town...

    I'd like some hard statistics...but that is what OB REPUBLICANS are trading for a 'cheap hamburger', but the hamburger is the same price, the corporations pocket the 'savings' at a social consequence. So these OB Reps are the sleaziest scumbags on the face of the earth...but we have to PROVE the morality perspective here....with statistics...

    This IS the moral argument if we can get HARD STATISTICS. We will need it to fight the 'cheap labor for business owners' because they have the$$$


    I think most Americans, and a few Democrats, would get sick when they think about 'cheap labor' (for business owners) the Cost IS the same as 10 years ago...they pocket the initial savings...

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    Badmonkey,

    Do a Google search. Use "illegal alien crime" or makes "crime" plural.

    Here's a few links I found:

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_t ... alien.html

    http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/te ... ctims.html

    The article below cites some stats.
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    http://www.rense.com/general60/ill.htm
    Not All Illegal Aliens Come
    Here To Work
    By Frosty Wooldridge
    NewsWithViews.com
    11-30-4

    You read about it in the newspapers, "They come here for a better lifethey come for jobs." Today, in excess of 15 million illegal aliens now operate in the USA--not all of them come here to work. It's not that we don't have crime in America. Two million prisoners inhabit our prisons. However, according to the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, DC, an astounding 30 percent of those prisoners constitute illegal aliens at a cost of $1.6 billion annually. That adds up to 600,000 foreigners ripping off taxpayer dollars as prisoners sit in our cells during their incarceration period.

    They shouldn't have gotten into the United States in the first place, but the crimes they committed brought horrific death, misery and suffering to American citizens. A summer ago in Boulder, Colorado, eight illegal aliens raped eight American women. The aliens fled back to Mexico. In nearby City of Longmont, a used car dealer suffered so much theft from his lot that he went bankrupt. An illegal alien killed a California Police Officer David Marsh, last year. Robberies and break-ins have become the norm in California. They've become the pattern in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and dozens of other states. But the sobering realities concerning these crimes point to one fact--they are illegal aliens.

    In her recent scathing report in the City Journal, 'THE ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIME WAVE' by investigative reporter, Heather MacDonald, demonstrates that our country suffers an imported crime wave.

    A full 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide, which totaled 1,500 last year in Los Angeles, pointed to illegal aliens. Soberingly, two thirds of all fugitive felony warrants, totaling 17,000, were for illegal aliens. In 1995, a report showed that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in Southern California included illegal aliens. That gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia on drug distribution schemes, extortion and drive-by assassinations. MS-13 Salvadoran gangs from Central America, with over 8,000 members, operate in 28 American cities. They're the guys offering free drug samples to our kids with the end result being addiction. Millions of American families spend millions reversing the drug imprint on their children.

    More than $120 billion in drugs crosses our porous Mexican borders annually. While Tom Ridge's TSA screeners pat down gray-haired ladies at airports, drug runners scurry across our borders with cocaine, heroin and marijuana. Smugglers load them up along "Cocaine Alley" with clockwork coordination that rivals Fed Ex, Greyhound, UPS and the US Postal system.

    While those passengers on airplanes safely fly in the skies, our kids' minds fly on their way to drug-induced addictive crashes. All brought to you by our Congress and president who refuse to secure our borders with troops! With over 4,000 illegal aliens crossing the Arizona sector nightly according to Time Magazine's September report, it's apparent the U.S. Border Patrol is outgunned, outmanned and out flanked. They catch one out of four border crossers. Congress twiddles its thumbs pretending that Homeland Security works.

    How did this crime wave emerge and why is it spreading? In 1979, Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates enacted Special Order 40. Astoundingly, as if insanity took the front row seat in their minds, leaders of dozens of cities from San Francisco to New York-adopted this special order. This law prohibits police officers arresting illegal aliens. Even if it aims to avoid racial profiling, the result promotes illegal alien migration. That allows free reign by hardened criminals that know they can't be stopped.

    Boulder, Colorado practices the same 'sanctuary' policy for illegal aliens. Boulder's mayor and city council encourages illegal aliens by assuring the police chief does not arrest illegals. Some of Boulder's immigration lawyers were so bold as to offer publicly announced classes for illegal aliens on how to avoid arrest, detention and deportation by immigration agents.

    Last summer, again in Boulder, two illegal aliens crashed head-on with Colorado University quarterback, John Hessler in the dead of night without lights. They fled. Hessler now works to regain his life in a wheelchair after months long coma.

    Not far away in Denver last summer, an illegal alien, Javier Cruz-Caballero, purposely ran down police officer, Robert Bryant, while the officer operated a radar gun in a school walk zone. Witnesses saw the Mexican national rev up his engine while taking dead-aim at the officer. Bryant flew 30 feet through the air while suffering a broken leg and head lacerations.

    This year, Governor Baldacci of Maine signed a sanctuary order for that state, which means they will be recording their own illegal alien crime wave in the coming months.

    At a higher level, New York's Mayor Bloomberg supports illegal alien crime by maintaining a 'sanctuary policy' in that city. In January, four illegals raped and killed a New Yorker. That crime was one of thousands of felonies committed by illegal aliens who are protected from detention and deportation.

    But more horrific in impact of this loss of the rule-of-law, former Mayor Guiliani practiced Special Order 40. Several illegal aliens protected by the Order participated in 9/11. Traffic police stopped terrorist Atta two weeks before 9/11. He produced an expired visa. He was not detained. He drove an airplane into the World Trade Center. The death toll reached 2,800, but the impact on our nation reverberates today. Yet, Special Order 40 continues full force in protecting an estimated 15-20 million illegal aliens in our country. They can't be checked, detained or deported because of it. They enjoy carte blanc freedom to continue their crime spree. No thanks for the memories Mr. Guiliani--and what may come again Mr. Bloomberg!

    Multiply the aforementioned individual crime stories times tens of thousands across America. It casts a different light on illegal aliens coming to America, "To do the jobs Americans won't do."

    These examples of illegal immigrant crime depict a growing menace to our functioning society. While a sleepy American public watches idly and Congress refuses to secure our borders and mayors adopt the 'sanctuary policy'--we citizens receive an average of 4,000 illegals every 24 hours, seven days a week, 365 days per year-in the Arizona sector, ALONE! It amounts to 10,000 per night on our northern, eastern, western and southern borders. That equals three million in 2004 according to Pulitzer Prize winning authors Donald Barlett and Jim Steele of Time Magazine's, September 12, 2004 report, "Who Left the Door Open?" A copy of this expose' may be obtained by writing to www.frostywooldridge.com

    Where does that leave you? If you're in California, you're planning on moving to Idaho or Montana because it's already too late. With over 3.5 million illegals, the crime wave is beyond stopping. Over 800,000 Californians fled the Golden Bear State last year. If you're in Georgia, you're probably stewing under your breath, but you don't have a clue that it's going to get worse. Another kind of crime hit them last year. Georgians paid $230 million to pay for illegal alien kids in their schools at $7,161.00 per child. In Chicago, they take jobs, rob banks and arrange drug, prostitution and theft rings. It grows worse in every city in America.

    It's called 'THIRD WORLD MOMENTUM.' The key is to understand that in the Third World--corruption, crime, child prostitution, bashing in peoples' heads and worse is the norm. Look at Bogata, Columbia for mayhem and general chaos. Why? Because the rule-of-law no longer applies! THAT kind of corruption burrows itself into America because mayors, governors, senators, congressmen/women and corporations at the highest levels--aid, abet and encourage illegal immigration. Other than Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado and Charles Norwood and Nathan Deal of Georgia, the sickening majority of our Congress refuses to do its job. Today, in America, concerning illegal immigration, our public officials sworn to uphold the Constitution eschew their oaths of office.

    The American public still hasn't grasped the gravity of this situation or keeps thinking it will go away on its own. IT WILL GET WORSE-MUCH WORSE.

    We're as vulnerable as before December 7, 1941 and September 11, 2001 because our leaders refuse to uphold our immigration laws.

    Lack of leadership at the highest levels in this country aids, abets and encourages our illegal alien crime wave and the loss of the rule of law.

    History books have recorded how Rome burned while Nero fiddled. America's history will record elected leaders at the highest levels fiddling while America burned. Not to be outdone, the majority of Americans sit, watch, wait and pay more attention to Monday Night Football while their own communities, towns, cities and country swirl down the toilet.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke 1797

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    Of course, its on VDARE....but this is old....again, this is the keystone argument against cheap labor for employers...


    http://www.vdare.com/misc/walsh_interview.htm


    Immigrant Crime: Who Wants To Know?
    By David Walsh

    Recently, while exploring the incidence of immigrant crime and its impact on the US, I was stymied. Not by the dearth of information: it’s there if you really want it. What was troubling was the lengths to which people who rely on such statistics (here, gang investigators and the INS) will go to avoid discussing them. Some officials were fearful, some indifferent, others seemed to question my motives. It all seemed to mirror the big media’s tendency to skirt the issue.

    Richard H. Ward, Dean and Director of the Center of Criminal Justice at Texas’s Sam Houston State University (and an ex-NYPD detective), recently published an interesting study in Criminal Justice 2000 called “The Internationalization of Criminal Justice” about the importation of crime: narco-terrorism, street crime and gangs, home invasions, credit-card and staged-accident scams, identity theft, and white slavery.

    “Globalization,” Ward observed in his introduction, “is producing ... new challenges for criminal justice practitioners and researchers.... To the law enforcement community, particularly at the local level, global crime is frequently linked to illegal aliens” (now officially recorded as entering the US at a rate of some 25,000 each month, and probably far higher in actuality). At the same time, “criminal activity by ... legal immigrants ... has grown considerably.”

    Despite this, though, the watchword in the States is… accommodation. Police, intelligence agencies, the courts, parole officers, social workers, and health professionals—as well as Americans at large—all must accustom themselves, it seems, to immigrant crime.

    The dimensions of the problem loom so large, Ward suggested, that even basic American freedoms may be abridged in the name of the greater good. What most caught my attention in his article, though, was a passage having to do with disincentives to investigation and enforcement.

    Some of these already hobble the police and the INS. “In areas with large immigrant communities,” Ward found, “political pressure is frequently applied to discourage immigration authorities and law enforcement from ‘searching out’ illegals.”

    In an interview with Prof. Ward, I asked about this statement—a confirmation of something long suspected though rarely discussed in the media. He began by suggesting that several factors are at work here.

    “Over the past decade, in many cases from a criminal justice standpoint [officials] have stepped back and said, ‘Hey, we’re just not going to look at this.’" (Immigrant crime, that is.) “It’s a sign of the times; the feeling, you know, that everybody makes mistakes [like crossing the border illegally?], and there’s an unwillingness to apply more law enforcement.” In a further reflection of current thinking, Ward added, “‘Let’s not cause any problems for our neighbors (and trading partners)--particularly Mexico.’" He declined to be specific, but suggested that officialdom exercises - quite properly - an overweening caution in discussing the matter.

    Yes, but although it’s clear that only a minority of newcomers is involved in crime (“less than one-in-ten,” Ward guesses), aren’t We The People entitled to know the extent of it?

    Well, no—that’s not politically feasible. “There is no way to sort out the numbers of foreign criminals,” Ward says. “That would take raiding sweat shops and the like, and that gets into how far you should go.” (To liberals, of course, the very term “raid” is ominous.)

    Then, of course, there’s the ultimate question:

    Why bother to study immigrant crime, anyway? Even with upwards of fifteen million illegals in the US today, “very few people care - as long as there are jobs.”

    When I suggested to Prof. Ward that this laissez faire attitude towards foreign crime was shared by our government, he agreed with me. “That’s probably a good word. Unemployment is so low in the United States that very few people are paying attention.... An example is the large numbers of Asians, especially Chinese illegals, who no one [in the criminal justice system] seems to be paying much attention to.” How come? Oh—“They’re not much involved in crime, or it’s Chinese-on-Chinese crime.”

    In any event, Ward said, the crooks melt into the immigrant community where they’re sometimes sheltered, but in any case untracked by police, INS, or other authorities. Unnoticed or not, Ward estimates that over 100,000 Chinese alone are smuggled into the country every year. Invariably, they end up as “slave laborers” for the Triads, or Chinese mafia.

    As for Latinos, by far the largest contributor to the U.S.’s newcomer population, Ward quipped, “There’s this juxtaposition: people who want to bring [immigrants] in for farming, and others, like some ranchers who want to get rid of them.” (While trespassing across ranch land, immigrants sometimes steal equipment and damage private property.)

    But Professor Ward turned somber when the discussion turned to shifts in public sentiment during an economic downturn. The Border Patrol, entrusted with guarding America’s frontiers, is “poorly funded” in spite of the booming economy. Ward endorses beefing up the BP with funds, plenty more personnel, better pay and equipment—improvements he thinks are unlikely, however. Washington gives “a wink and nod” to the porous border, since “the government relies on foreign workers and their cheap labor.” And so the U.S. Border Patrol, the professor commented with notable understatement, “finds itself in the unenviable position of trying to curtail what some view as a monumental problem.”

    So what about foreign terrorists, presumably a major concern of this nation? Can’t they take advantage of the same lax border controls as the average Mexican peasant? Ward agreed they might, but that “that’s a different situation.” (He couldn’t tell me just how different.)

    A further problem in controlling immigrant crime is the “out-of-sight, out-of-mind” phenomenon: To most Americans, the foreign population barely registers, let alone the criminals among them. An important reason for this, Ward notes, is that immigrants usually victimize their own people. Hispanic crooks, for instance, “see their people as walking ATM machines” owing to their avoidance of banks and police (this means they’re likely to carry large sums of cash on their persons).

    And then, of course, there’s the fear factor: In today’s political climate, Ward acknowledged, truth-telling is easily confused with insensitivity or “hate.” Other difficulties include record-keeping on foreign criminals—or the lack of it. “Each state keeps different kind of statistics, and it’s really a killer to get an accurate picture.”

    So how does the United States protect its sovereignty against foreign dangers? Besides the Border Patrol upgrades, Professor Ward suggests, “We should create better economic conditions in the other countries. On the criminal side, we’re never going to be able to close the borders with Mexico very effectively unless we make a very strong commitment to doing that.” (Experts, you need to understand, are in the habit of thinking big.) “Once again, quite frankly, we don’t know who’s coming across the border.” (You said a mouthful, professor!)

    Finally, this criminal justice expert suggested how the problem of alien crime could lead to possible encroachments by the federal government. (“Indeed,” he had written in his article, “a paradox of more internationalization may well be a lessening of individual rights and the autonomy of local governments.”)

    Now, he told me, “We are going to see more emphasis by the federal government stepping in on this [crime problem]. You’ve already got the drug czar .... Perhaps mass fingerprinting is next.” (Not fingerprinting for immigrants only, but for the American public as a whole.) As for the states and their police forces, we may expect to see them “federalized” in years to come. (So much to look forward to.)

    So there you have it: the safety of the commonweal - and even basic national security - all but trumped by the government’s fears of identity politics and the escalating power of social activists.

    Not to mention the timidity of the “experts” who advise and direct our elected public officials, in Congress and elsewhere.

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    Good article to use against bleeding Liberals. Here's a part I like:

    "truth-telling is easily confused with insensitivity or 'hate.' "

    If you add all the hidden costs (welfare, crimal, social,) that cheap hamberger probably cost $300 rather than $3.00.
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