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    How Noncitizens Can Swing Elections (Without Even Voting Illegally)

    How Noncitizens Can Swing Elections (Without Even Voting Illegally)

    Hans von Spakovsky / @HvonSpakovsky /
    October 06, 2015

    Outside the Registrar of Voters Monday, election workers Manuel Vejar, left, Brian Vargas and Derek Alschbach, right, bring out a new, empty ballot box (Photo: Peggy Peattie/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom)


    Hans von Spakovsky@HvonSpakovsky

    In an article in Politico, Mark Rozell, acting dean of the School of Policy, Government, and International Affairs at George Mason University, and Paul Goldman, a weekly columnist for the Washington Post, point out a fact that should greatly concern all Americans: that the presence of millions of noncitizens, both legal and illegal, could tilt the presidential election toward the Democrat Party and decide the election in favor of the eventual Democratic nominee.

    Voter Fraud Happens

    As I have outlined in many different articles and a recent book on voter fraud, illegal voting by noncitizens is a growing problem. Most election officials are not taking the steps necessary to detect or stop it, and many prosecutors including the current Justice Department seem reluctant to prosecute it.
    A study released in 2014 by three professors at Old Dominion and George Mason Universities in Virginia concluded that 6.4 percent of the noncitizen population voted illegally in the 2008 election, enough to have changed the outcome of various contests in a number of states.

    That includes the winner of North Carolina’s electoral votes, which went to Barack Obama by a relatively small margin, since a majority of foreign-born residents favor the Democratic Party. That may also be why Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, the governor of a battleground state, vetoed a bill that would have required jury commissioners to provide local election officials with the names of individuals called for jury duty from the state’s voter registration list who were excused for not being U.S. citizens.

    Some States Have Congressional Districts They Shouldn’t Have

    But as Rozel and Goldman accurately point out, noncitizens may be changing the outcome of presidential elections even without voting illegally. This is related to the problem of some states having more representatives in Congress than they should, and others being shortchanged unfairly due to the huge—and growing—population of illegal aliens whom the Obama administration and its political allies want to provide permanent amnesty.

    All of this stems from the way apportionment is conducted. There are 435 members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Under Sec. 2 of Article I of the Constitution and Sec. 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment, every ten years, after the “Enumeration” (the Census), we redistribute those 435 seats based on the “whole number of persons in each State.” In other words, the number of members of the House that each state gets is based on the total population of each state relative to the total population of the U.S., which includes noncitizens. Thus, the upwards of 12 million illegal aliens present in the U.S., combined with other aliens who are here legally but are not citizens and have no right to vote, distort representation in the House.

    Various studies have been done on the effects of this distortion, including byLeonard Steinhorn of American University and scholars at Texas A&M University and the Center for Immigration Studies. If you calculate the results based on the latest Census numbers, according to Steinhorn, ten states each are short a congressional seat that they would otherwise have if apportionment were based on citizen population: Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Pennsylvania.

    States with large numbers of illegal aliens and other noncitizens have congressional seats they otherwise would not have (and should not be entitled to): California (five seats), Florida (one seat), New York (one seat), Texas (two seats), and Washington State (one seat).

    This is fundamentally unfair, because these states are benefiting from illegal conduct and gaining political representation for individuals who have no entitlement to such representation or to even be present in the country.

    How Noncitizens Affect The Electoral College

    This also twists our presidential election process. Under our Electoral College system as laid out in Article II, Sec. 1, the number of electors that each state receives is a combination of its two senators and the number of representatives it has in the House (the one exception is the District of Columbia, which gets three votes courtesy of the Twenty-Third Amendment). Thus, states like California have more Electoral College votes than they should, while other states like Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio are shorted in their Electoral College votes.

    As Goldman and Rozell say, this “math gives strongly Democratic states an unfair edge in the Electoral College.” When you look at the makeup of the states that have lost/gained Electoral College votes and what would happen if apportionment were based on citizen population, then:

    [T]hree of the states that would gain electoral votes are Democratic. The remaining seven are fairly put in the GOP column. Combining the two halves of the citizens-only population reapportionment, states likely in the Democratic column suffer a net loss of four electoral votes. Conversely the must-win Republican leaning states total a net gain of four electoral votes. These are the four electoral votes statistically cast by noncitizens.

    Four electoral votes may seem minimal, but we have had a number of presidential elections in our history decided by a very small margin, such as the 1876 race between Rutherford Hayes and Samuel Tilden, which was decided by one electoral vote: 185 to 184. The 2000 race was decided by only a slightly higher margin: Bush (271) vs. Gore (266).

    Goldman and Rozell point out that Romney won 24 states in 2012. Three battleground states important to Obama’s victory were Florida, Ohio, and Virginia, which have 60 combined electoral votes. If Romney had won these states, too, he would still have had only 266 electoral votes, four short of the 270 needed to win. But according to Goldman and Rozell, if the Electoral College were apportioned according to citizens, then if Romney had won Florida, Ohio, and Virginia, the electoral votes of those states combined with the other 24 Romney won would have given him the 270 votes needed to be president.

    The misallocation of electoral votes in apportionment gives Democrats a clear advantage. “This is why counting illegal immigrants and noncitizens significantly reduces the chances of the GOP winning the presidency.”

    No one doubts that we should count noncitizens, whether they are here legally or illegally, in the Census, so that we have an accurate count of the population of the U.S. for a myriad of sound public policy reasons. But as Goldman and Rozell say, there is no “persuasive reason to allow the presence of illegal immigrants, unlawfully in the country, or noncitizens generally, to play such a crucial role in picking a president.”

    It is a felony under federal law for a noncitizen to vote in our elections because voting is a right given only to American citizens. It is a precious right that must be earned by becoming a citizen. Giving aliens, particularly those whose first act was to break our laws to illegally enter the country, political power in Congress and allowing them to help choose our president strike at the very heart of our republic and what it means to be an American.

    Hans von Spakovsky is an authority on a wide range of issues—including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the rule of law and government reform—as a senior legal fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies and manager of the think tank’s Election Law Reform Initiative. Read his research.

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    Very good reasons for eliminating political parties! If that is not possible votes need to be diluted by supporting 3 or 4 political parties, eliminating the electoral college, establishing run-off elections with the election decided by popular vote?

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    Those 4 electoral votes end up becoming 8 when they switch sides. Its not just the Dems losing 4 votes but the GOP gaining 4 votes. This means if there was a 7 point split it would change the outcome and if an 8 point split put it in a tie.

    Further the Dems along with the article and most agree while won't say it that the majority of Americans lean Republican and its not just because of those *old white folks*. Its the only reason why Dems need such a huge slant in their favor from illegal aliens and legal immigrants. They need some of them to vote illegally and they need them as population boosters to slide more Dem electoral votes their way.

    Just think, we currently have between legal immigrants and illegal aliens probably 15%+ of our population and most of those are in Dem stronghold states like Cali, NY, and so forth. In the end it would likely be a lot more then 4 electoral votes changing hands if non citizens were counted and even more if anchor babies lost their false citizenship without at least 1 US Citizen parent.

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    What is happening right in front of us is our electoral process is being turned into a Banana Republic’s sham democracy. In cities like Chicago we know there is mass voter fraud that has gone on for decades without serious efforts to stop it. Many states have same day registration and voting, an obvious effort to assure maximum vote fraud. Now there is no requirement for a voter to produce identification and prove he is alegal voter, another effort to maximize vote fraud. Whole counties have recorded votes cast in numbers larger than the number of registered voters. Whole counties have had zero votes for a Republican (not one person in the enter county—nothing suspicious there). Votes of active duty military personnel have been thrown out on minor technicalities rather than allowing them an opportunity to have late voting. Yet there is early voting for civilians months ahead of elections. Large numbers of voter ballots were never sent to active duty military personnel, or, in direct violation of the law, were sent late. No actins were taken to punish the responsible parties or to assure it will not happen again. Of course the majority of military personnel vote Republican. Weeks after election day mysterious caches of uncounted votes (always Democratic) have suddenly appeared and were allowed to be counted while military votes have been disallowed for being sent too late as a result of post office “errors.”

    Billionaire financed Marxist candidates carpet bomb the airwaves with negative ads virtually silencing a conservative challenger who does not have enough money to purchase equal air time, on average out spending patriots by 20, or more, to one.

    Voting in this country now is so corrupt that honest citizens are be shoved out of the electoral process. If a Democrat/Marxist wins the next election you can be certain that it will be because of an election so corrupt that we have ceased to be a genuine democracy.

    The question before patriots now is what we will do if the presidential election is stolen because of mass vote fraud? Will we simply blow down and allow it to stand because of a theatrical farce illusion of an election?

    Remember in the Ukraine an illegitimate government was thrown out by mass civil protests.
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    This isn't a problem with our electoral college, it's a problem with our immigration policy. Too many legal immigrants, too many illegal aliens. Stop the nonsense. End this madness. Or lose your country. It's really just that simple. It's why the Constitution gives the US government the power to prevent immigration and wisely never gave it authority to admit it. That's right. Every immigrant admitted by the US government without the specific request and approval of a state to which they would be located was admitted illegally into the United States under a power never granted the US government by the US Constitution.
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    It is a God damn free for all - time to get back to our constitution and take it from there. Those that want to change that written word need to go thru the process.
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