I would also like to request that everyone in this discussion make a decided effort to stick to the ALIPAC rules and to raise the level of debate please.
A lot of you are strong fighters but you can make your points without insults.
W
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I would also like to request that everyone in this discussion make a decided effort to stick to the ALIPAC rules and to raise the level of debate please.
A lot of you are strong fighters but you can make your points without insults.
W
Cassie, I appreciate your opinion on this, but you have apparently overlooked something. Illegal aliens are coming up here to escape the living conditions in their own countries. By the way, is Mexico's poverty rate still at 59% or has it gone up? Anyway, they have lived under a moderately oppressive government for a long time. They come here and they have no idea of how this government works. Special interest groups come up to them and say that they can get them things if they will just do as we say. So they go out and protest for immigration reform "amnesty" as well as protesting local and state ordinances against illegal immigration. If they get amnesty, they will be a problematic voting block.
These special interest groups have their own agenda, like Laraza and MechA. What they're not realizing is that our government has its agenda. This agenda is the SPP and the NAU. President Bush, and the globalists involved in this act of high treason, knows that they need the illegal immigrants to become US citizens so they can help thwart the loyal Americans who are standing in the way. This reminds me of a tv show I used to watch: Star Trek the Next Generation. In it the Romulans plan to invade Vulcan under the guise of a peace accord.For those of you who never watched the show, Vulcans and Romulans are identical in appearance. The officer in charge of the invasion says that once they are on the planet, they will blend in and be impossible to distinguish from the other Vulcans. She said that unification will become a fact of life. This remind you of how the police are being accused of racial profiling and how local ordinances are being blocked because of potential discrimination against legal residents?
The key is that no quarter can be given on this issue without inadvertently supporting the SPP. None can be given amnesty or be allowed to stay.
Yes, Bush is a liar... but the lies in the air are thick and the real power that is telling these lies goes past Dem or Rep.Quote:
Originally Posted by cassie
Yes, Americans are against the Iraq War and it now stands as another example of how the citizens of America are being lied to and no longer have control of our own government.
Anyone trying to think about this fight in strict terms of Dems and Reps will not be able to operate.
Cassie, please take a close look at the populist Republicans in Tancredo's immigration reform caucus.
These brave men and women in Congress are the only political foot in the door we have had over the last four years. Most of them are Reps.
Everyone on our boards here at ALIPAC needs to realize that these boards are open to anyone that shares our cause and supports the ALIPAC platform with the exceptions being any group motivated primarily by race issues.
The rules we have in place are designed to assure that happens.
W
:x I was going to say the same thing. Swat and shoo all the cats out of the house. Shut the door so no more come in. DESINFECT the entire house to make sure diseases and weird germs don't spread all over the place. Then I would call the 'animal control' people and make a report that stray, illegal, and un-neutured cats are roaming freely all over the neighborhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost
How can you say you are against illegal immigration, but are "neutral" on the ones already here. That's nuts. 8O
It was definitely, with no assumptions or suspicions, a case of one Hispanic hiring another Hispanic who is illegally present in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by cassie
There was also a case reported in the news and on this board of a Chinese restaurant where the owner was hiring illegal Chinese immigrants. I think the owner of the restaurant was here illegally too.
Then there was the case reported in the news where a state trooper apprehended 4 illegal immigrants at a traffic stop, and then their employer heard about it and he went by the police station to check on his employees and support them, and the employer turned out to be an illegal immigrant.
Point is, they hire their own and if we let the current batch of illegal immigrants stay, there will be a massive lobby for totally open borders. Enforcement could become politically impossible, and then we are on our way to a North American Union and a Southwest that may push for some kind of closer union with Mexico.
Oops, I totally lost track of this thread I started myself :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Qflash
I know why illegal aliens are coming to this country and also understand that most illegals are victims to of globalization. There're many, many illegal aliens her in California, we and Texas take the burden of all those illegals crossing the border. Other states 1,000 mi from here are almost illegal free, but here they're everywhere. Sac is 520 mi from the border but there're many illegals here. Most of them look Indian tribe and I read an article that 25% of Mexicans make only $ 2 a day. TWO Dollars !! The poor in Mexico are mainly those Indians and those are the ones coming. They're being left alone by the corrupt Mexican government, and I really feel sorry for those Mexican Indians that crossed our borders. It's not really their fault too, and that's why I think that we must close the border, no benefits to illegals, announcement on tv that any illegal being in the country after a set date will face 5 years prison, and also jail employers. Most illegals will self deport, but the illegals that make only $ 2 back in Mexico, wil probably stay because they have nothing to lose and they will stay anyway. Anf for those people I have the opinion that I'm neutral, and maybe we should give them a worker's permit or deport them. But here is my mixed feeling, my heart and brains are in conflict here.
La Raza, Maldef, Lulac, Naacp, Mecha, etc are all race racketeers.Quote:
These special interest groups have their own agenda, like Laraza and MechA. What they're not realizing is that our government has its agenda. This agenda is the SPP and the NAU.
But they don't represent all Mexicans or minorities.
Many, if not all, politicians are corrupt selfish liars and we need to elect the least of all evils. We have been lied to about Iraq, but also on illegal immigration. What I don't understand is that 4,400 Americans die every year by the hands of illegals, that's more than 20,000 since 911.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALIPAC
We lost in Iraq + Afghanistan less than 4,000 service personnel. Most Americans, including me, are more concerned about the war. Why ?? I don't know. I will consider, and probably carry out, protesting illegals in SF or Castro Valley, but it can be this month or next month. But when there would be an anti war rally in one of those 2 cities, I'd jump into my car right away. I don't know why, Bluejersey said it right. He's an OBL yet he was right that the anti war lobby can mobilize more people than the minuteman, we can mobilize more people that will make those illegal marches on labor day look like peanuts.
I know that Tancredo is a patriot ans means well. If I'd vote outside the Democratic party, I'll vote for Patrick Buchanan. Don't think he's running for president. What I'm looking for is an honest candidate that will not lie to me. Al gore is a man of honor to me, Bush stole the 2000 elections, Gore could fight it in court but he cared about America and did what he thought what was right for the country and allowed Bush to take office. And Al Gore scores better on illegal imigration than McCain or Giuliani.Quote:
Cassie, please take a close look at the populist Republicans in Tancredo's immigration reform caucus.These brave men and women in Congress are the only political foot in the door we have had over the last four years. Most of them are Reps.
I wasn't there and can't judge it, I just adviced you not to generalize people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosay
How can an illegal open a restaurant ?? The restaurant owner gets paid, he needs a SS number, how can he start business without SS ?Quote:
There was also a case reported in the news and on this board of a Chinese restaurant where the owner was hiring illegal Chinese immigrants. I think the owner of the restaurant was here illegally too.
Illegals get paid under the table, but a restaurant is there, it's visible. You can see it standing there, how could this happen ?
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Then there was the case reported in the news where a state trooper apprehended 4 illegal immigrants at a traffic stop, and then their employer heard about it and he went by the police station to check on his employees and support them, and the employer turned out to be an illegal immigrant.
That's why I keep saying build the wall first, deploy the national guard, strip illegals from benefits, jail employers, etcQuote:
Point is, they hire their own and if we let the current batch of illegal immigrants stay, there will be a massive lobby for totally open borders. Enforcement could become politically impossible, and then we are on our way to a North American Union and a Southwest that may push for some kind of closer union with Mexico.
Most will sefl deport, the few that will stay here will be subject to discussion: deportation or amnesty
Read my post, Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:48 pm ( PST )Quote:
Originally Posted by firecracker
Cassie, you say your nuetral on the illegals already hear. What about the thousands more that will be here tomorrow, and the next day, and on? Where does it end ? What`s your limit?
No, I suggested to close the borders asap. We can have deployed 100,000 national guard personnel by Monday. border is closed, nobody gets in. Then we can strip illegals from their benefits, fine or jail employers, and announcement on TV that any illegal in the country after Feb 28th faces 5 years in prison. These measurements will maker sure that illegals will self deport, and hardly to no illegals get in because of those 100,000 national guard personnel. The few illegals, the world's most poor, will be subjected to discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mkfarnam