Thread: Illegal Immigrants Question Senate Deal

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Illegal Immigrants Question Senate Deal


By PETER PRENGAMAN Friday, May 18, 2007

LOS ANGELES - David Guerra wants to be legal, but he says the path to citizenship offered by the Senate on Thursday would be too risky and too expensive, and could end up driving him deeper into the shadows.

Guerra's wife and children in El Salvador depend on the $300 he sends home each month from his job as a day laborer. Key provisions of the legislation would require him to return home to apply for residency, pay a $5,000 fine and spend thousands more in application fees.

That would be disastrous for his family, he said, and, worse, he's not sure he can trust U.S. immigration authorities who have been rounding up and deporting his fellow immigrants for months.

"If I go home, who is going to guarantee that I'll be let back in?" said the 44-year-old who lays bricks, clears weeds and does landscaping.

Across the nation, illegal immigrants, many of whom toil in dirty, low-paying jobs, sharply criticized the Senate's immigration overhaul package as overly burdensome and impractical.

"Where would I find $5,000? In two years, I don't get $5,000," said Daniel Carrillo Maldonado, an illegal immigrant who was looking for construction work outside a Home Depot in Phoenix.

The agreement between the Senate and White House would allow illegal immigrants to obtain a special visa. After paying fees and the fine, they could get on a path to permanent residency that could take eight to 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.

Some illegal immigrants said returning home presented another major hurdle: Applying for residency at U.S. embassies in their home countries.

Amy Ndour, a 23-year-old illegal immigrant from Senegal who lives in New York, said she would be willing to pay the $5,000 fine, but not return home because her family there depends on what she earns as a hair braider.

"I'm helping myself" here, she said. "I'm helping people there too."

Karina Corona, 32, an illegal immigrant from San Diego, works seven days a week at two jobs _ one at a delicatessen and another as a seamstress. She said $5,000 is a small price to pay.

"Compared with the better jobs you can get, it's nothing. It's well worth it," she said.

Carlos Velazquez, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant in Los Angeles, said he applied twice for visas in Honduras, and both times had to pay several bribes to local embassy staff.

"Only with money will the monkey dance," said Velazquez, using an idiomatic expression to refer to bribes.

The Senate agreement includes a so-called "point system," which for the first time would prioritize immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards that allow permanent residency.

Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a green card _ except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens. And new limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.

Many illegal immigrants said they had little incentive to apply for residency because the process was long and did not offer much hope of bringing their families.

"If I'll never be able to bring my family, why should I apply?" said Jose Monson, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Guatemala who has lived in Los Angeles for four years. "I prefer to just stay here illegally."

"If I get deported and need to cross the border again, that's not a problem," he said.

Several unions, which have many immigrants in their ranks, took issue with the creation of a new temporary guest worker program.

New workers would have to return home after two-year stints, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would be required to leave for a year between each stint.

"Temporary workers depress wages and create a second-class work force that is disconnected from the U.S. mainstream and not equal," said Eliseo Medina, executive vice president of the Service Employees International Union.

Pablo Alvarado, director of the National Day Labor Organizing Network, said the guest worker component would likely exacerbate rhetoric between anti-illegal immigration groups and immigration groups. Groups such as the Minutemen regularly stage protests in front of day labor centers.

"You will still have the anti-immigrant organizations blaming immigrants for depressed wages," Alvarado said.

Still, the agreement gave some hope.

In Houston, Marco Antonio Rodiguez, said he would be happy with a permit that would allow him to work legally and return to Mexico twice a year to see his wife and three children.

"Immigration reform would benefit us so much, both ourselves and families," said Rodriguez, a 48-year-old illegal immigrant who does odd jobs. "We want the law to be approved. I'm praying to God that it passes."

Pascual Bravo, an illegal immigrant who works at a construction company in Middletown, N.Y., was also eager to achieve legal status.

Bravo, 49, last crossed the border in Arizona eight years ago, paying a smuggler $1,800. "I miss my country," he said.

Associated Press writers Deepti Hajela in New York, Elliot Spagat in San Diego, Terry Tang in Phoenix and Monica Rhor in Houston contributed to this report.

A service of the Associated Press(AP)

Oh yeh, he wants to assimilate.

They don't want citizenship, they never did!!! They just want the right to come and go as they please, rape and pilage the land, then eventually, return home and live like kings. This is nonsense!

This article has stories from those who don’t trust the government, will go deeper in to the shadows, and rather live here illegally. One even claims that if he is deported he’ll just cross again.

I’ve heard nothing and no questions ask about what will be done with those who choose not to come forward because of the cost or risk. For those who do not want citizenship or have criminal records, there appears to be no consequences. Just business as usual. Why isn’t someone posing these questions to the legislators.

Mornin' dragonfire,

Go ahead and inquire of your legislators. Let us know their answers!

I still want to know why we are writing legislation to favor illegal aliens or make them less afraid as if for some reason it's our fault and we have to make it better for them and easier for them to be here.

Would somebody, anybody show me what is in this bill that is for the American citizen????

We have been sold out!

oliver,

Would somebody, anybody show me what is in this bill that is for the American citizen????

We have been sold out!

1. NOTHING!
2. You betcha!

Well, it appears there are no solutions in this bill, a lot of questions, and neither side is happy. I, for one, would go for DEPORT THEM ALL! And evidently, they want ABRA KA DABRA, you're a citizen and can go back & forth without any responsibility to anyone. It certainly won't take care of the criminal part because they'll just remain underground and still go back and forth -- I don't care what is said about their ID cards. There is no enforcement nor will there be any enforcement. I refuse to swallow that fishline again. Facts are the DHS isn't capable of handling doodly squat and admit it. And they can't replace Border Patrol as fast as they're losing them. This is bipartisian bull.

That's rich, isn't it? COMPLAINING about us letting them be legal, when we should just deport them! What an absurdity.

Our government has pandered to them for so long, they actually believe they have "rights" over the American people. They don't want to pay a fee, but we've paid for their schooling, medical care, and welfare benefits for years and years for millions of them!!

Will someone please give them a hefty dose of reality here?? They think they're ENTITLED, and it makes me sick! That's probably what makes me sicker than anything - if they appreciated what the American people have done for them, it might be a little better, but they actually hate us, and hate this country, and want to just get our benefits!

They've obviously been well-trained. "Father Clinton will pay for it!" It always amazed me that they hate Bush when he flat gave them so much more.... maybe because they were trained to be Democrats?

"If I get deported and need to cross the border again, that's not a problem," he said.

I feel nauseous.