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    Senior Member edstate's Avatar
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    Illegals and the housing bubble

    They certainly helped create it, but I'm wondering what will happen in the next few years as it deflates? I can see the construction industry being squeezed for sure.

    Just because you're used to something doesn't make it right.

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    It is a natural part of the American business cycle for the housing industry to thrive then contract.

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    Criminal aliens have gotten money for housing

    from where? Somehow criminal aliens have managed to get low rate mortgages that should have gone to americans. As more of them pour into the country more housing is needed which increases the prices. legal americans cannot afford housing but illegals get tax breaks in addition to getting mortgages.

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    ALIPAC: right on. But try telling that to the real estate industry or the throngs of "flippers" still clinging on for dear life out there.

    But I'm wondering what will happen to all the illegals who helped build this ridiculous surplus of new homes, and the never-ending add-ons paid for by inflated home equity? ...There will surely be less constuction work, and then the illegals will have to compete with American citizens for what's left... I wonder who will win? I wonder if that will finally cause American carpenters, masonry workers and the like to finally get pissed? Because only a few short years ago "there was enough work to go around".
    Just because you're used to something doesn't make it right.

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    The future in construction will be in converting McMansions to multi-family dwellings.
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    This seemed like it might fit here. This article never once mentions illegal immigration just "unskilled labor" But we know better...

    Dark side of the housing boom: Shoddy work
    Steps you can take if you find yourself living in a poorly made home.

    By Sarah Max, Money Magazine contributing writer
    February 14 2007: 1:01 PM EST

    Money Magazine) -- Less than a year after moving into her new 2,100-square-foot house in Lenexa, Kans., Susan Sabin has strung up lemon lights in her front window.

    The lemons, she says, go perfectly with the home's most prominent features: jammed doors, warped windows, bent pipes and cracked walls. "The house is essentially splitting in two," says Sabin.

    At the peak of the recent housing boom, home buyers scooped up a million newly built homes every year while homeowners poured more than $200 billion into renovations. But now stories of shifting soil, leaky roofs, damaged stucco and other construction defects abound.

    Though many builders have worked to improve the quality of their houses over the past decade, says Alan Mooney, president of Criterium Engineers, a national engineering firm, the building frenzy also opened the door for unskilled labor, unscrupulous contractors and untested products.

    "When everyone is out there building as fast as they can, that does result in more defects," he says.

    Contractor problems rank among the most common consumer complaints, according to the Better Business Bureau, and a recent Criterium Engineers study found that 17 percent of new residential construction projects inspected by the firm in 2006 had at least two significant problems.

    If you've been gnashing your teeth over defects in your new or recently renovated home (and complaining to the builder hasn't solved them), it's probably cold comfort that you're not alone.

    What do you do? A lawsuit is bound to be expensive and messy, if you can even get in front of a jury at all; many builder's contracts nowadays include a binding-arbitration clause that essentially waives your right to a jury trial.
    Real estate flipper stung by slow market

    Of course, your best bet is to catch the problem early, before you've paid for the work. But even after the job is long done, you still have a powerful tool on your side: the builder's need to protect his reputation.

    Here's how to evaluate the likelihood that you'll be able to get your home repaired at minimal cost, and your plan of action.
    Check your warranty

    Your builder or remodeler likely gave you what's called an "express" warranty, which typically covers everything from cosmetic flaws to serious defects for a year (most common) to 10 years (pretty rare).

    If the warranty names the defect you're complaining about, gather your documentation and ask your contractor to repair the damage at no additional charge. If your warranty has expired, you aren't necessarily out of luck.

    Depending on the state you live in and the nature of the defect, your house may still be covered by a so-called implied warranty of habitability for another seven to 10 years. But it will be up to you to prove that the defects are so severe that they are a health or safety hazard.
    Learn how to spot a real defect

    Your next step is to figure out whether your problem is a bona fide defect under the terms of the warranty (or in the eyes of an arbitrator) or what home builders define as an acceptable imperfection.

    "There is no such thing as a perfect house," says Mooney. "A lot of what people consider defects are really not defects."

    According to the National Association of Home Builders' performance guidelines, small cracks in the interior concrete slab are normal; only those exceeding 3/16 of an inch should be repaired. Hammer marks or nail pops visible within six feet are acceptable, but marks you can see farther away are not.

    You may not agree with these definitions, but it's tough to fight them. (You can order a copy of the NAHB's "Residential Construction Performance Guidelines" for $39.95 at
    Gather the evidence

    Document problems with photos and detailed notes. Record everything from conversations with your builder or contractor to the exact time - and the weather conditions - on the day, say, your basement flooded.

    "Make the assumption that this will end up in a significant dispute," says Mooney.

    To bolster your case, you may need to pay for expert advice. An independent inspector or structural engineer will charge about $250 to $500 to give your house a full examination, along with a detailed report of the problems at the heart of your dispute.
    Small projects that pay off big

    After Ann and David Richardson's contractor put a two-story addition on their Kansas City house last year, it failed city inspections twice. The couple then hired an engineer who found that, among other problems, inadequate roof support was putting pressure on the walls and forcing them to bow.

    "He said the walls were life-threateningly out of plumb," says David. Faced with this assessment, the contractor agreed to do the repair (though he later declared bankruptcy before he finished).
    Find greater strength in numbers

    If your housing development was constructed by a single builder, see if your neighbors are having similar complaints. "You'll often find that their houses are having the same problems as you," says Nancy Seats, president of Homeowners Against Deficient Dwellings, a group that helps homeowners fight back against construction defects.

    After Pam and Jeff Cobbs noticed that the windows on their new home in Bend, Ore. leaked during rain storms, they teamed up with other neighbors who were having similar problems.

    As it turned out, the windows and siding on more than 20 houses on the block had been installed improperly, causing water damage and, in some cases, mold.

    Just a few months after the group complained, the builder sent in crews to remove all of the siding and trim, reinstall the windows, wrap the houses, put on brand new siding and repaint everything.
    Know your state rules

    If you aren't bound by a binding-arbitration agreement and you think you might have a case for a lawsuit, be aware that in recent years, 30 states have adopted "notice and opportunity to repair" laws, which require homeowners to give builders a chance to assess and remedy the problem before they go to court.

    Typically, you have to submit a written complaint to the builder or contractor, who then has a certain amount of time to inspect the property and make repairs - usually up to 90 days.

    Unfortunately, these laws, designed to protect builders, says Janet Ahmad, president of Home Owners for Better Building, don't obligate the builder to fix your problem (after an inspection, they may tell you that the fault is unrelated to their construction).

    But your builder may patch up your home to avoid a lawsuit. If not, you are probably free to sue. To find out about your local "fix it" laws, start by calling your state attorney general's office.
    If all else fails, get creative

    When the first cracks began appearing in Susan Sabin's home shortly after she moved in last June, she contacted Pulte Homes, which sent in engineers and contractors to repair minor problems. But Sabin still believes they're ignoring major defects.

    "They keep fixing the symptoms," she says. "I want them to fix the source of the problem."

    So Sabin has strung up lemons and opened her house to anyone who wants to see the cracks. Soon after, her story made the local news.

    Pulte, which says the problems with the home are a result of soil expansion underneath, has so far not agreed to rebuild Sabin's home from scratch. But it certainly is not ignoring her complaints.

    "Structurally her home is as sound as any other home we've built in the city," says Todd Lipschutz, Pulte's division president in Kansas City. "We will make the necessary repairs."
    Don't build a lemon

    Know your builder. Make sure your builder is licensed with your state, and see what complaints have been filed with the attorney general's office. Get references, but remember that a builder isn't likely to refer someone who has complained. A better bet: Ask people in the neighborhood what they think of their house and how the builder handled any problems.

    Question whether the builder is in over his head. Many builders don't have the equipment or the technical expertise to deal with very large projects. So if your home is the largest project the builder or contractor has ever done, proceed with caution. The same holds true if it's the company's first big housing development.

    Have a lawyer read your contract. If it includes a binding-arbitration clause, you'll waive your right to a trial. Ideally, you want to strike this section or at least ask to name what arbitration firm will be used, says Nancy Seats, president of Homeowners Against Deficient Dwellings. Check that the warranty spells out what problems are covered.

    Be a regular at the job site. Show up frequently while your house is in the process of being built or remodeled and ask questions. For a big project, consider hiring an inspector or an engineer to look things over. ... 2007021410
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    Senior Member edstate's Avatar
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    "They keep fixing the symptoms," she says. "I want them to fix the source of the problem."

    The source of the problem is GREED.
    Just because you're used to something doesn't make it right.

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    Senior Member concernedmother's Avatar
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    Altura, I thought the same thing. Unscrupulous contractors plus that wonderful "unskilled labor" our leaders seem to like to much... Just building the shoddy houses Americans wouldn't build I guess....
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