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    Imported Machines Replace Imported Workers!

    I just picked up a copy of our local newspaper while stoppping at the sandwich shop. I spyed an article in the corner of one sheet: "Picker Puts Steel in Immigration Debate." Apparently some of our vintners, faced with a potential labor shortage, have opted to buy a mechanical harvester, the New Holland Braud, which reportedly can replace forty human workers.

    Prevention of fermentation in some varieties is critical, so like any machine, this guy does the night shift, keeping the grapes out of the hot sun. It was able to pick 3.5 tons in 20 minutes. The article states that the same tonnage would have taken 34 man hours. The grapes were immediately taken to refrigeration. One drawback is that this particular machine does not work well in hilly areas such as in Pacific NW vineyards. Perhaps the tires could be replaced with crawler tracks and leveling mechanisms, though. But in Feinstein Country where vineyards are more frequently situated on flat ground it is fine, and also has attachments for other processes.

    So even if the US government has severely cut back on funding of agricultural mechanization, other countries are still pushing ahead. How about Japan with its fascination with robotic science and electronics?

    This is what AgJobs Senate Bill proponents need to hear: the new technology is already here, even if we have to import it. It is merely awaiting the legislative incentive.

    For the grape harvester:

    Japanese scientists developed a harvester for Chinese cabbage and other "tuft" vegetables:

    German strawberry harvesting, with machines:

    A strawberry pickers "assistant':

    A nut harvester on E-Bay; ... 1:SEARCH:3

    and "Vision Based algorithms" (i.e computerized photography ) ... n%26sa%3DN

    Exchange for agricultural equipment: ... 421-0.html

    There you have it. A whole world full of inventors, even if the US has put a damper on farm mechanization.. Of course "migrant agricultural workers" are loathe to stay in agriculture, anyway, and quickly find out that construction jobs pay more, and that there are plenty of dirtbag contractors greedy to hire them. Rooting out this invasion will be like catching the greased pig, but I think we need to keep at it.

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    this is typical third-world attitude... years ago I tried to sell automated production equipment to the auto industry in Brazil..... they interrupted my presentation telling me about their efficient "Bahiano Machines".... what's a Bahiano machine?.... natives from the re town of Bahia in the Amazon region.... there were/are plenty of those folks, easily replaceable, dispensable, not requiring major capital investments...

    for the US it is: mexicanization before mechanization...
    No soy de los que se dicen 'la raza'... Am not one of those racists of "The Race"

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    Hey there Captainron, I noticed that article on the front page of the paper as well. Gosh, what a revelation - automation can do manual, tedious, repetitive tasks that humans once did? Amazing?!?!?!?! (requisite degree of sarcasm here)
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    This is what AgJobs Senate Bill proponents need to hear: the new technology is already here, even if we have to import it. It is merely awaiting the legislative incentive.

    AND machines don't have anchor babies, demand that we learn foreign languages, require 'foot baths', raid our social programs, sue us for millions when they get shot in the butt for drug trafficking, etc.....

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    Prison workers seems to be a good idea too.California should give it a try,seems to work in Colorado.

    So between the machines and prisoners that should cut down on the need for immigrants. I think the senators need to limit the immigrant Ag Jobs .
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPatriot
    Prison workers seems to be a good idea too.California should give it a try,seems to work in Colorado.

    So between the machines and prisoners that should cut down on the need for immigrants. I think the senators need to limit the immigrant Ag Jobs .
    You got that right! Both Colorado and Arizona make good use of their prisoners!!

    Is it just a standard rule that once you become a politician you loose your brains and all common sense!!??
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    Picker puts steel in immigration debate
    Labor - A mechanical grape harvester could be the answer to a shortage of farmworkers in Oregon's vineyards
    Monday, July 16, 2007
    The Oregonian
    Surrounded by shiny new tractors, Carl Capps spends most days talking about horsepower, hydraulics and transmissions. He paid little attention to anti- and pro-immigrant-legalization activists who marched at the state Capitol.

    Then the immigration debate came to him last fall, after he sold a quarter-million-dollar machine that harvests wine grapes -- the first in the Willamette Valley.

    The New Holland Braud grape harvester can do the work of 40 handpickers in a fraction of the time.

    Suddenly, vineyard owners were calling Capps to schedule demonstrations, saying they couldn't cope with worsening worker shortages -- or immigration raids. Their concerns were heightened after a U.S. Senate immigration bill that would have offered legal status for up to 900,000 undocumented agricultural workers failed, and immigration officers detained nearly 200 workers at a Portland produce processing plant.

    Oregonians for Immigration Reform, a restrictionist group, touted the European machine as a beacon of a future without illegal labor.

    "As soon as word about this got out, the immigration issue was the first thing that came up," Capps said. "The bloggers are all over it. They're saying, 'Finally, see? We told you that you could get by without all this immigration.' "

    The harvester is a powerful and controversial symbol as Oregon and the nation struggle with the economic realities of immigration. As public pressure drives a border crackdown and increased enforcement, farmers nationwide face labor shortages as high as 30 percent to 50 percent during harvest. Further complicating matters, large numbers of former migrant laborers have switched to construction jobs for the higher pay and year-round stability.

    The high-tech machine -- which uses "shaker rod" technology to coax grapes off the vine into molded silicon rubber collection baskets -- may herald a future of all-mechanized agriculture.

    "Oregon doesn't have the scale or the research to make an immediate leap," said Brent Searle, special assistant to the director of the Oregon Department of Agriculture. "But in farming, it's always taken a crisis to make big changes.

    "Necessity is the mother of invention."

    Machine comes to Oregon

    Often when Jim Ludwick, president of Oregonians for Immigration Reform, tried to change people's minds about illegal immigration, they'd come back with the need for labor "that no one else wants to do."

    "They'd always want to talk about farmworkers," Ludwick said. He'd tell them about California farmers who had mechanized lettuce harvesting and were using citrus pickers with infrared sensors to detect ripe fruit. "They didn't buy it. There's an aura about farming, and they like to think there are farmworkers out there."

    Then last fall, he read in a local farming newspaper about the New Holland Braud harvester at Evergreen Vineyards in McMinnville. The aviation giant, which has vineyards adjacent to its aviation museum -- and a Spruce Goose wine label that honors its star attraction -- bought the machine for the 2006 harvest.

    It picked 3.5 tons of pinot noir grapes in 20 minutes with three workers, the Capital Press article said. Usually that would have taken 34 workers an hour.

    Finally, Ludwick had an Oregon example to make his case. He began to tout the New Holland harvester in speeches, as well as to state legislators, members of Congress and radio talk-show hosts.

    "This is what modern societies do," he said. "They mechanize and wean themselves off cheap stoop labor."

    Ludwick said mechanized tomato-harvesting took off only after the end of the 1960s Bracero guest-worker program ended a steady supply of Mexican workers.

    The only problem with Ludwick's pitch? Evergreen Vineyards won't touch the immigration debate with a 10-foot shaking rod.

    "We are not going to latch onto any political connection whatsoever," said Mike Wilhoit, a vice president of the McMinnville vineyard owned by the international aviation mega-company. "We bought this machine for the quality of the grapes."

    Wilhoit said Evergreen's primary motivation was to pick grapes at night, when they are cool and will not ferment. Because of the machine's speed, grapes spend little time sitting in bins before they're whisked off to refrigeration.

    "They never get warm once," he said.

    Evergreen still relies on handpicking, he said. "We love our workers, no matter what country they come from."

    Oregon's farms too hilly

    Though many California vineyards have entire fleets of harvesters, it's unlikely Oregon will follow suit.

    Unlike California's hundreds of acres of flat vineyards, Oregon vineyards tend to be small operations on rolling hillsides, said Dick Shea, owner of Shea Vineyards in Yamhill County. Few can afford a six-figure piece of equipment, and the large, tall machines have typically not been stable on hills. Evergreen is more like a California vineyard, large and on a flat valley floor.

    If machines were feasible and could produce the same quality of wine, Shea said, "I think everybody would prefer not to be worried about seasonal laborers. Inevitably there is not as much as you want, and it seems harder every year."

    Shea is also skeptical that a machine can handle a high-end wine grape delicately enough to measure up to hand labor. Even if a machine could pick that well, other jobs -- particularly leaf removal to prevent mildew and expose grapes to more sunlight -- still require hand labor.

    Capps said New Holland has developed attachments for those tasks.

    The demonstrations have converted a lot of skeptics. Many start with vintners standing with crossed arms, determined not to let a machine-picked grape touch their fermenting vats, he said.

    "Give me a break," Capps said. "I defy anyone to distinguish handpicked grapes from the ones picked by these machines."

    For all agriculture that relies on hand labor, customer perception plays a big role, said Ken Bailey, a cherry farmer in The Dalles and vice chairman of the Oregon Department of Agriculture Board.

    For example, mechanically harvested cherries require pre-treating with a chemical that loosens the fruit, followed by a machine that shakes it off.

    "What results is a stemless cherry. It does not necessarily affect the quality of the cherry," Bailey said. "But will customers be willing to pay as much if it was sprayed with this chemical and has no stem?"

    How much the stem on a cherry, the cachet of handpicked pinot noir or other intangibles affect the consumer experience -- and hence demand -- remain to be seen.

    "If you change your harvesting, you're going to change your product. That's too big a risk for a lot of farmers to take right now," Bailey said.

    "But if there's no labor, you'll have to switch." ... xml&coll=7
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    They have been using machines to harvest pecans here in Texas for years now.

    Once people had to take long sticks and 'thrash' the pecan trees, then pick them up by hand.

    Now an attachment to the front of a tractor grips the tree trunk and shakes the tree - then a kind of rolling collector or vacuum collector picks up the pecans. It probably helps remove any 'hulls' that might cling to the pecan.

    I don't know if they do any kind of spraying before the trees are shaken, but I would suspect it wouldn't be necessary.
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