Thread: Inside the faltering Dreamer talks

Inside the faltering Dreamer talks

Negotiations are increasingly stalled, and a bipartisan Senate group is splintering.

01/05/2018 11:30 AM EST


President Donald Trump and Sen. Thom Tillis speak during a meeting with Republican senators on immigration on Jan. 4. Tillis, one of several Senate Republicans
who had been in talks with Democrats, released an unusually downcast statement Thursday about the lack of progress in the private negotiations. | Andrew Harnik/AP Photo

Congressional negotiators and the White House are publicly touting progress toward a deal to shield hundreds of thousands of young immigrants from deportation. But behind the scenes, Democrats and Republicans appear to be struggling more than ever on a plan that can earn President Donald Trump’s signature and bipartisan backing from Capitol Hill.

The White House had not provided details to a bipartisan group of key senators on what border security and immigration restrictions they wanted in return for helping Dreamers, according to the negotiators, despite a mid-December pledge to do so. The administration did offer some information to a small group of senators before a closely-watched meeting Thursday, but it's unclear how widely those details were shared, even with lawmakers actively working on the issue. The proposal includes $18 billion for a "border wall system," according to a GOP official familiar with the document.

And in one potentially ominous sign for a deal, two Senate Republicans who had been in talks with Democrats released an unusually downcast statement about the lack of progress in the private negotiations, which began after Trump announced last fall he would kill the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

“Over the course of the last several weeks, we have negotiated in good faith with Senate Democrats on a DACA agreement,” said GOP Sens. James Lankford of Oklahoma and Thom Tillis of North Carolina in the joint statement. “Unfortunately, our discussions on border security and enforcement with Democrats are much further apart, and that is key to getting a bipartisan deal on DACA. Until that happens, we cannot accomplish the solutions our country needs and many families deserve.”

Meanwhile, a small circle of House Republicans has gone rogue, preparing a conservative bill meant to strengthen Trump’s negotiating hand against Democrats, but which would have slim prospects in the Senate.

The posturing is the latest sign that even as both sides say they are eager for a deal, the thorny politics of immigration may be too difficult to overcome — with potentially major consequences for both parties, not to mention those who wonder whether they will still be able to work and live in the United States legally for much longer. Most of the DACA terminations will begin in March, although some permits have already expired.

Even before their statement Thursday, Tillis and Lankford had quietly stopped attending the meetings recently, according to multiple sources, shrinking the group to five primary senators: Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), and Colorado Sens. Michael Bennet, a Democrat, and Republican Cory Gardner. One Democratic aide insisted that “Lankford and Tillis were dragging their feet and did not share the urgency we had.” But another person familiar with the situation said the two Republicans weren't invited, including to the most recent meeting Wednesday night in Durbin's office.

The Senate negotiators had been moving toward an agreement on legalization provisions for the Dreamers, those familiar with the discussions said. Graham has indicated that the language would fall between the Dream Act, which he authored with Durbin, and a more conservative proposal written by Tillis and Lankford — although those legalization provisions had yet to get approval from GOP leadership or a separate, GOP-only working group, according to a Republican aide.

But it’s on border security where senators have struggled. Prior to Thursday's meeting at the White House with Trump and Senate Republicans, the Department of Homeland Security circulated details of the administration's border wishes to a small group of lawmakers.

In addition to the $18 billion for a wall, it also proposes $5.7 billion for new technology to secure the border, such as drones and sensors; $1.025 billion for improving and building new roads; and $8.5 billion for additional personnel such as border patrol agents. Details of the document were first reported by The Wall Street Journal on Friday morning. The wall funding is sure to meet resistance from Democrats.

The document did not detail changes the administration is seeking on legal immigration laws, such as changes to family-based immigration policies, but an administration official said those other priorities must also be part of the larger package.

Democrats dismissed the administration's recommendations.

“This is far beyond the bounds of what any Democrat or Republican has been discussing and is obviously not a serious proposal,” said a Senate Democratic leadership aide.

“Good faith negotiating is about being willing to compromise and accept the reality you’re probably going to piss off a chunk of your base in order to reach a fair, reasonable consensus,” argued a separate Republican aide. “Republicans have been doing that, Democrats have not.”

While the Senate has struggled with a bipartisan immigration solution, the House is readying a push to ditch Democrats altogether, moving further to the right.

GOP Reps. Raul Labrador of Idaho, Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, Martha McSally of Arizona and Michael McCaul of Texas have been working for several weeks on legislation that would extend deferred action status for Dreamers in exchange for more robust border security, including a wall; more immigration agents; changes to policies governing asylum and unaccompanied minors who show up at the border; and cutting off the ability for naturalized citizens and green card holders to sponsor relatives. That last provision is referred to as ending so-called chain migration.

The four House GOP lawmakers, who hope to drop their bill next week, met with Trump just days before Christmas to discuss their plan. Sources close to their effort said the president liked their ideas, and they expect the White House to support their legislation.

“It’s what the White House has been asking for,” said one GOP source familiar with the measure. “This is the only bill that’s going to unify Republicans.”

Yet the bill appears to already be drawing potential resistance among other House Republicans, particularly from centrists representing districts with more Latino constituents who are uncomfortable with the laundry list of enforcement demands.

In fact, the massive gap between conservative and moderate House Republicans is one reason why Speaker Paul Ryan’s DACA working group has hit its own wall in recent weeks.

Three GOP sources familiar with the ongoing meetings said the group has been unable to agree on one unified Republican bill and has skated past its own self-imposed deadlines. The group was hoping to have something to present to the conference before Thanksgiving, one Republican source said. Now New Year’s Day has come and gone, and they still don’t have a proposal.

That’s one of the reasons why Labrador, Goodlatte, McSally and McCaul broke off to work on their own legislation, which is not sanctioned by Ryan nor a part of the stalled working group, according to two Republican sources.

The lawmakers plan to argue their legislation is the only one that can pass their chamber with at least half of the House GOP — a sensitive matter for Ryan, who promised never to put an immigration bill on the floor without the backing of a majority of his conference.

“It’s the only approach where you’re going to get conservatives to actually vote for a bill like this,” the GOP source said.

At the same time, talks between a group of moderate House Democrats and Republicans broke down before Christmas. The group, called the Problem Solvers Caucus, had created a smaller working group that came up with a bipartisan DACA deal that included increased border security measures — a plan they hoped to unveil before the close of 2018.

But when the smaller subset presented it to the larger group of centrists, the Democratic moderates panned the border security measures, according to one member of the group.

There are certainly some glimmers of progress. Trump will summon Republicans and Democrats to the White House next week to talk through an immigration agreement. Vice President Mike Pence dialed Flake — a close friend from their shared days in the House — to personally extend the invite to his immigration group, a spokesman for the Arizona senator said.

At a meeting with Trump and Republican senators at the White House on Thursday, discussions revolved around the wall, scaling back family-based immigration and reforms to the diversity visa lottery, according to senators who attended. Lankford said Trump and the GOP senators didn’t finalize an agreement, and Tillis said they were preparing a framework of border security and other measures they want attached to a DACA deal.

That framework will be presented to Democrats in the coming days, Tillis said. When it comes to a wall, Republicans are starting from Trump’s budget request for $1.6 billion for barriers along the southern border, which he estimated would be “probably a net increase of 600 miles of wall” over time that would be paid for by annual appropriations and potentially fees.

Trump stressed in the meeting that the diversity visa lottery, one of his frequent targets, should be terminated, according to Lankford. The Oklahoma senator said Thursday that any family-immigration reforms would need to be applied to a broader group than just DACA enrollees.

Democrats have been open to addressing issues with family-based immigration and the visa lottery.

“There’s no settlement out of it at this point,” Lankford said. “It’s still the ongoing conversation, trying to figure out where everybody is. Clearly, there needs to be another meeting.”

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No more meetings!

Let work permits expire and deport the whole family.

We do not want Amnesty, we do not want a path to stay, no renewal of work permits and NO extensions.

We want ALL TPS deported...start shipping out 5,000 a week!

We want ALL REFUGEES & ASYLUM deported...no more people!

No more meetings about DACA, no more talks about DACA. How many meetings and how many talks have you had to help homeless and impoverished Americans who need a job or more education? I don't want to hear another WORD, not even a SYLLABLE about DACAs "limbo". They can limbo right under the fence they sneaked in through along with their parents and offspring. We do not want these people in our country, we do not want to solve their "limbo" at the expense of Americans. No sensible reasonable AMERICAN wants anything done for these people except a swift deportation.

WE DEMAND DACA SILENCE. No more talk or meetings about DACA. You get them out of here. And the next time some overpaid head of some 501 C 3 comes into the White House to talk about "deals" for illegal aliens, you run their asses out of there, even if it's the Pope himself.

GET THEM OUT OF HERE.

There is a very simple solution to our Republican margin in Congress. It's called winning more seats. Now get out there and campaign your asses off and stop throwing votes and wins away over a bunch of criminals who aren't even supposed to be our country.

You'll get your wall when you grow your margins in the US Congress with people who care about the United States and our citizens. Until then, just do the best you can enforcing the law with the resources you have or take some advice and cut state and local law enforcement loose to help US enforce US immigration law.

Not sure that this is good news. Does this forebode that other things--stopping chain migration, E Verify are also going to be stalled? Political backroom dealing can go either way.

All you so-called "representatives" need to decide once and for all who you represent or resign. As an American citizen, I am tired of hearing about the wants and needs of illegal aliens. When will you people get it through your heads that we the people did not invite those lawbreakers here and we are fed up with their presence in OUR country!!
START DEPORTING OR RESIGN!!!

We just don't know for sure. We're the ones in "limbo". We want it settled with zero deals, zero DACA, zero Dreamers, zero amnesty, zero deferred action, zero Temporary Protected Status, zero Unaccompanied Minors, zero illegal immigration and zero illegal aliens inside the boundaries of the United States. We want it finished, over, done, no more. Americans have no real sympathy for these people, because they do not deserve it. They are invaders, criminals, con artists, radicals, drunks, drug runners, rapists, scabs, frauds ... there is absolutely no nice good word for these people at all on any level that warrants violating our Constitution or the rights, privileges and benefits of US citizens on behalf of any illegal alien. They're stealing our jobs, depressing our wages, taking our homes when we lose them through a foreclosure or an eviction because they stole our jobs and we can't find another one which means we can't pay the rent or the mortgage. Now get these thieving criminals out of our country. NOW!!!!!

I WOULD RATHER TRUMP DO NO DEAL!

SET UP AN ACCOUNT WHERE WE CAN DONATE TO THE WALL!

LET US GO INTO ANY BANK AND MAKE A DONATION THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO FUNDING THE WALL!!!

WHAT ABOUT SET UP A "WAR BOND" TYPE INVESTMENT? WE CAN BUY THE BONDS FOR CONSTRUCTION.



DO NOT LET US DOWN PRESIDENT TRUMP...

WE WANT NO AMNESTY AND NO PATH TO STAY!!!