I would like to know if there are any large scale protests up and coming?
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I would like to know if there are any large scale protests up and coming?
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-111039.html#111039
The above link is on our home page. It lists all the events we are aware of.
It looks like there isn't then.
Why not? If "they" are doing it, why aren't we?
I'm a little tired of sitting on my rump writing letters that are being thrown on a pile of other letters that no one is reading. I'm tired of getting the same form mails sent back to me, despite the fact that I put in a whole lot of time coming up with my own original letters.
Call me naive and "new blood" but why aren't we doing more? Don't get me wrong - I DO realize the importance of letters and phone calls but it seems that there is a whole lot more that can be done and needs to be done quickly.
Large scale protests is not a focus of ALIPAC.Quote:
Why not? If "they" are doing it, why aren't we?
Most of us have jobs and can't afford to travel for events like you are thinking of. We don't have groups like NCLR providing buses, bottled water, T-Shirts and probably even lunches. There have been a couple of rallys that I have attended in Raleigh. Even though we attempted to get the word out and a couple of organizations were involved, the best we could muster were a couple of dozen people. However, we did get some local media attention.
Can't we have a pro legal-anit illegal immigrant demonstration on 4th of July in D.C.? Everybody is free except the illegal aliens.
That looks as good a date as any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicholas_USA
We don't have all the freebies that they have and many of us can't afford to go to Washington D.C. For those who can't afford it we should have them in various large cities.
I think if they had a protest against illegals in Miami there would most likely be violence due to the large number of both legals and illegals from South and Central America and Mexico. There are a number of those people will stand up for their own even when they are doing something wrong.
Protests for legal-against illegal immigrants in Miami, Los Angelos, NYC, Chicago will be described by the liberal media (TV en Newspapers) as a clinic clown show if they decide to pay attention to it. If it would happen in Washington and on 4th July, it would be a more powerfull message to congress that we demand REAL action against illegal immigrants or else it will face the conquence on election day in 2008. Not everybody can afford a trip like that, that's true, but with help of pro legal and anti-illegal immigrants congressmen, airliners who support the american middle class (I hope some of them exist) and the minute men projects etc, can help organize something like this. One thing is sure, a mass demonstration is necessery to warn Washington DC "again" who really can vote and who can't, because some of them still don't or want to understand that. If you look and read carefully the agendas of the people who are trying or will run for president, than we all have a problem what may be the end of the middle class and the poor of the United States. Than it's sure that one day we will be on the History channel in a foreign country with the title, "Once there was a nation called the United States of America, 1776 - :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: ."
Nicholas,
Your zeal is to be applauded, but "JohnB" is right. Rallys do not really accomplish much. What does count is getting our leaders at the the local level (city, county and state) to enforce our laws and deport the problem to the Feds.
In other words, the leadership must come from the bottom up. Why? Because the Federal government is simply not going to address this issue. They are all in cahoots financially. They are "Judas" to the American people.
DavidWidman wrote:
I don't agree. IMHO, our elected politicians in Washington can ill afford to dismiss tens of thousands of fed-up American citizen voters that are well organized and standing at their at their front door. Sure, small protests don't accomplish much, but large ones can and have (Example, Martin Luther King's civil rights marches). Actually, large protests and marches can influence those city, county, and state leaders you're talking about too, but unfortunately all the protesting in the world won't do much good at the local level if our Washington leaders approve a massive amnesty program. All local ordinances and state laws designed to discourage and end illegal immigration will become moot when 75% of the nations illegals become legal residents. Something unique and extraordinary needs to be done to gain the attention of our elected politicians and those American's that have been wrongfully influenced and misinformed by the pro-illegal immigration propaganda machines, which include our federal government. I firmly believe, for the most part, our U.S. Congress members have gotten so used to our letters, phone calls, and email on this issue that they've learned to tune them out. I don't know about the rest of you, but I certainly don't receive the responses I used to when sharing my concerns with my representatives. Something big, really big, needs to happen to turn the bull before we get the horns! If that "something" isn't a massive protest march, what should it be? The atmosphere has changed with the loss the U.S. House, which means our tactics may need adjusted accordingly. Once again, I submit that something on a grand scale has to be done. Got any ideas?Quote:
Nicholas,
Your zeal is to be applauded, but "JohnB" is right. Rallys do not really accomplish much. What does count is getting our leaders at the the local level (city, county and state) to enforce our laws and deport the problem to the Feds.
Just my opinion........
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Originally Posted by DavidWidman
*shaking my head in disbelief*
You're right, OUR small, individual, rallies have accomplished little if anything.
The ILLEGAL'S rallies accomplished both world and national attention, huge support for their cause, and resulted in S2611, and a step closer to a NAU.
The complacency, along with a litany of excuses, by the American people is what will cause the ILLEGALS to succeed. They organized, by the hundreds of thousands, and made huge strides to their advantage. The didn't do it with faxes, e-mails, or 'send a brick' gimmicks. They made their presence known visually.
Are you saying that hundereds of thousands of American citizens, taking to the streets as they did, will accomplish nothing, or are you saying that American citizens are simply not capable of making the same effort?
I wrote my two Senators in may and got replies from both. This shocked me as I did not expect it. I liked the one reply better than the other as Senator Nelson was for big time enforcement at the border and did not mention amnesty where as Mel Martinez spoke of enforcement and letting them apply for residency if they have been here over a certain length of time.
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quote="ProtestIllegals"]I would like to know if there are any large scale protests up and coming?
There are protests planed if, in the 1st 100 days of the new 2007 hearings, an amnesty bill is not passes. I cannot remember what new channel I heard this.
They didn't organize by themselves. They had large organiizations backing them up logistically and financially. They had professional protest coordinators working with them and coaching them.Quote:
They organized, by the hundreds of thousands, and made huge strides to their advantage.
I don't disagree that a large rally would help and someone will probably organize one this summer. But like I said earlier, that is not one of our focuses.
Huge support? Cruise through this and every other anti-illegal forum and check the sign up dates. The President made his spiel, the socialist/communists/globalists pulled the trigger on the organized marching, and the Senate came up with S. 2611. It was supposed to be a slam dunk. It didn't happen though did it? Americans rejected the political techniques of the Third World. The whole idea is that America should remain America. Thank the letter writers, the phone callers, your civilized Americans that put the shoulder to the system the Founders provided.Quote:
The ILLEGAL'S rallies accomplished both world and national attention, huge support for their cause, and resulted in S2611, and a step closer to a NAU.
This movement we're up against has been at work for most of this century, and kicked into high gear after the 1960's. They infest our schools, our governments and even our churches and are financed out of our own wallets. In spite of that there are still a good number of patriotic Americans. They need to be identified, educated, and organized.The enemies of America have had a long time to work their plan, but we can counter that time with superior numbers. Still going to take work and time.
However, it would be great to see a statement by America. How about a day without Americans? Just say no more. Everyone take an extra day off work for the 4th of July and assemble in parks or at the lake for an American re-union on that one day? Everybody bring a covered dish and a cooler. Before we call a demonstration let's see if we can organize a picnic. :wink: Can you pull it off?
Nope. I agree with all your views. I have been to the rallys here in Raleigh. When The Minuteman Project did their national caravan this past summer, I went to the Greensboro, Richmond and D.C. rallys. I left my wife and child, took off work and spent my own money to do this. I have no problem with that at all. The thing that I do have a problem with (and this is simply American apathy), is at all these rallys there was never more than 150 people attending! It was heart-breaking. On the way back to Raleigh, I was traveling through Richmond. I heard on the radio that the Ameican Idol winner had come to town and had filled up the stadium with people.Quote:
Are you saying that hundereds of thousands of American citizens, taking to the streets as they did, will accomplish nothing, or are you saying that American citizens are simply not capable of making the same effort?
Americans are so "fat and happy" witht their life that they will not travel 10 miles, let alone to D.C., to stand up for their country. If there is a mass protest, I will be there. But, I'll beleive it when I see it. Until this problem actually effects people in the wallets, they are going to stick their heads in the sand.
Momentum is building but it hasn't hit critical mass yet.
Keep on keeping on, being productive, making contacts, etc. I know it's frustrating but it's necessary to achieve major momentum.
When CRITICAL MASS hits......and that takes time, we will be ready :D and it will seem to come out of the blue. But we know that it will have been created from our work and the work of many other people who are in this fight. It's unfolding before our eyes. 8)
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Instead of rallys I think a national sick day would really get attention. Imagine millions of Americans not working all on the same day and staying home and not spending any money. Business would have to close for lack of employees and stores would be empty.
Maybe.Quote:
Americans are so "fat and happy"
There needs to be organization. The S/C/OBL has infiltrated our institutions and uses their organization. Take 'em back and use them.
Minor factions of the alien advocacy have tried more demonstrations by hollering this or that. Nobody showed. You can bet there were payments made for people to bring out the alien insurrection. And the "loyal" troops were responding to those that butter their bread.
You bet it would. It has to be properly prepared though. The employers need to be made "sympathetic" to the cause like the chicken plant owners and the fast food operators, etc., were. They need to fear the public if they dare to come down on Americans fighting for their country.Quote:
Originally Posted by dlm1968
I agree David. It is apathy and fear. At least here, people are still afraid to speak up for fear of being labeled a racist or whatever. I too have traveled to attend rallies and even traveled to the border twice with the minutemen. I was always struck how few were there. I work for myself, so am lucky I have the flexibility. I know a lot of people don't. But as you said, even people who could travel 10 miles to participate don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidWidman
anniealone wrote:
Unfortunately that is because they don't know what is at stake regarding the issue of illegal immigration. I don't have all the answers, but I do know we, anti-illegal immigrant advocates, need to do a better job of spreading our message - be it through a massive ralley, media outlets, etc. The only way to turn the tide is to somehow convince our politicians that supporting amnesty and illegal immigrants is not a beneficial career move. So far we've been unable to get that message across to the extent necessary for the changes we want.Quote:
But as you said, even people who could travel 10 miles to participate don't.
That's why I asked about the protest. It just seems stagnate. Though I do realize that all these local areas are changing their laws so something is working. But I don't think that people realize how much amnesty could hurt everyone. And I dont think the politicians realize how many people out there are upset about it.Quote:
So far we've been unable to get that message across to the extent necessary for the changes we want.
Some people write and some don't.
Some protest and some wont take the time.
Some donate money to the cause and some dont.
Seems like everyone is going in different directions with this (meaning, what they are willing to do). And it seems like if everyone focused on one thing at a time, as a mass group, things would be more productive.
More organization seems to be in order but...
I guess theres really no way to control that.
We are starting to get some media coverage in our favor and that is what we need more of. When the Marine from Iraq got killed by an illegal it made the news. The more we push the media to write our side as well, then we will gain. People need to hear the truth and learn how much of their tax dollars pay for the illegals. When they see why they can afford houses and items we can't afford then they will get involved.
This is great. We need something like this.
Fantastic, but I hope it's not too late:
It's my sense that the push for amnesty and a massive guest worker program will happen during the March - May timeframe (maybe even sooner). A massive protest in June won't be of much value if amnesty is passed in April. Just something to think about..... :wink:Quote:
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MW, I think you're right. I heard Harry Reid say that they would address immigration in the new year in the first 10 pieces of legislation they deal with, so time is of the essence.
I also agree that we need to hold a very large demonstration in Washington - how about for George Washington's birthday? Get everyone connected with these various organizations all across the country to commit to go, and to each bring 5 or more other family/friends. Organization, and people committing to show up would be key. Congress needs to know how furious the American public is over their game playing, hypocrisy, and sacrificing the welfare of this country. An angry mob surrounding the Capitol can hardly be ignored.
I don't know what William thinks about all of this?
But if everyone is throwing out ideas...heres one.
Some of us are disabled and can't go to these protests, but maybe myself and others like me could give toward those busses to bus people in. Maybe somehow there could be a seperate fund set up for that. Then have a sign up sheet. I wouldn't post this openly though for the opposition to see. There could be a sheet for people willing to commit to being in the actual protest, if they could provide their own transportation or would need help. Those who could give money....and when...
Here is another idea....but in order for both of these to work Americans are going to have to unite...and be true to it. They have to literally see that this is more important that our own little circle of life.
I also think not shopping for ANYTHING BUT THE BARE NECESSITIES FOR ONE WEEK...would have business screaming and the politicians.
If we couldn't do it for a week maybe the first time a weekend.
That means no shopping, no eating out, no going out to see a movie, bowling, etc. NO RENTING MOVIES...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE. GIVING UP ALL THE EXTRAS. Business and politicans would be screaming...
I don't have the answer...but I do think Americans are going to have to act in one accord...BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.
JAK, your ideas are great, but I really don't think we would be able to ralley the American people to the point that they would be willing to attend a protest or even give up their entertainment even for just a weekend. I don't mean to sound negative, but from what I've seen, they just don't deem illegal immigration all that important. Its very important to me and all of the other folks here, but even though the vast majority may want their laws enforced, they are not acting on that. The lack of will to stop illegal immigration from the govt and because the lack of will from the American citizens to stop it is why we are where we are. It's also because of the lack of money. We're not funded like LaRaza and the ACLU. We would need a sponser, maybe several of them. We would need organizers and the like to pull off a major protest in DC. That kind of will and funding just isn't there. Funny though, the will is there against the war in Iraq and was there for the Vietnam war.
I would attend such a protest..but I'll be damned if I'm going to show up and only a hundred or two show up. We need Hundreds of Thousands to show up. If that were possible, I think it would have already happened, but I could be wrong. Good luck, I'll be watching the boards for any organizing that may happen.
When the amnesty bill comes up, that might be when we can really get this together. If and when that comes up, I will be making arrangements to travel to a protest if one exists. I hate flying, but I'll do it.
I would like to send the following to web link to the media and the politicians. It show pictures of people that were killed by illegals. This makes it more personal due to the photos. It made me angry and would cause the same in others. The web page only shows some of the victims and needs to mention that more people are killed in the United States by illegals that get in Iraq.
Maybe people should have a large display of those pictures especially the children.
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/te ... ctims.html
Truth is...deep in my heart...I know you are right. American people just don't realize that when we lose this time...its for good. I find myself getting angry at my own family members who really haven't done ANYTHING...to help this cause. American people also can't be inconvenienced...that's what is so sad...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockfish
I hate to think that one day...they might be saying I wish I would have.....
What does it take to recall someone? What if we started to make a push to do so? I know it's probably impossible, but CRUD!!! I was in a meeting a few weeks ago and the people were talking about how dissatisfied they were with the leadership of the Republican party. So, they said they might still get their vote, but they can forget about their money! WOW! No money!!! Holy crap! What are elitist political jokes like Rick Perry, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, and John McCain gonna do without your money?! Your only gonna give them your VOTE?! You selfish, good-for-nothin'... Wait! That's how they get into office to make these bad decisions in the first place. Maybe instead of supporting the tired, out-of-touch old guard, cast your vote and voice and your money at someone that might actually support your views!
As far as rallies and organized protests, it's all about getting the word out, early and often...and often. I think an organized sick day or a picnic without an illegal, or whatever they are called, would be great! We just have to be annoying to the point that they (the press) give us the time of day. The national networks need to catch wind of it, as do the local networks and radio groups. It can be done. Maybe instead of writing to our deaf and blind Reps and Senators, we should be contacting the media. It needs to be soon. The president, RINOs and the Pelosicrats are getting ready for amnesty.
I think something around Washington's bday would be fine. Saturday, February 24th. Celebrating American Citizenship Day. Picnics, BBQs, American flags. Or, February 22nd, Washington's bday. We just take off work. I know it will be cold for a picnic, so organize a big indoor lunch. Just get the word out. To steal a line..."If you build it, people will come!" I'll try to organize something here in the great metropolis of Granbury. You do something in yours. Just let me know when you want to do it.
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Eighteen states permit the recall of state officials.
"Initiative, Referendum and Recall."
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"Recall of State Officials."
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"Recall of Local Officials."
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The URLs listed below may or may not be operational.
In 2001 there was a Recall John McCain Committee.
Recall John McCain Committee Info.
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2001 article "Arizona GOP asks for recall vote against McCain."
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1997 article "Wisconsin Senate Recall Effort Falls Short."
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Recall of Legislators and the Removal of Members of Congress from Office.
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I think a massive rally should be planned. However, I feel that many people will not attend the rally because they will be seen as racist. When it comes to protesting for what is right for America people have a tendency to sit back. This is the first obstacle. The illegals have everything to loose and much to win. This is what motivates them to do what they do. We should learn from that. I have lost too much already and I stand to loose more.
Thanks for the links, PoliticalActivist. Too bad Texas doesn't have recall laws. What a pile of hooey. Perry must go! Perry must go! Perry must go!
I suppose the common belief is that something "should" be done but that even IF something was done, no one would go.
I saw the information about the protest planned for summer but congress gets started a lot earlier than summer so that could very well be too late.
Frankly, I don't care if standing up for this country and for the future of my children is seen as racist therefore that has no bearing on what I participate in and it would not stop me from delivering my message. But I guess that some people aren't strong enough to do the same. Maybe they don't have the confidence in their ability to make a difference or the will power to block out all of the racial accusations.
These people spout "racist" for that exact reason - it makes some people who stand up for what's right sit back down again and scurry off in fear of being seen as something that they aren't. It's a good call on their part because obviously it's working.
Again, as I said awhile back, it is very frustrating to write to all of these people and get vague empty promises back in return. I know my letters aren't being read because if I dare ask a question, I get no answer... simply the same letter as everyone else. That wont stop me from writing but I do wish there was something bigger happening.
I have temporarily turned my attention to writing journalist. I could be wrong but it seems to me that the more the media covers the story, the more educated Americans will be on this issue. The more educated they are on this issue, the more upset they will become. The more upset Americans that there are, the more pressure our government will face.
I'm surprised that there aren't any large protests planned (aside from the one in the summer). And even though this thread drops down to the bottom and will eventually be forgotten, I will continue to check in. If anyone hears of anything, please let me know!
Texas Governor Perry cannot be recalled. However, there have been recall elections at the local level in Texas.Quote:
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"Georgetown Recalls -- and Recollects."
http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase ... id%3A83672
February 2, 2002 Georgetown Special Recall Election Results
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"Lockhart mayor survives recall."
http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_ ... rID=174333
"Trio backing Yerena suffer losses in recall."
http://www.pecos.net/news/arch2004/020904p.htm
"Any elective officer of the City shall be subject to recall and removal from office by the qualified electors of the City"
Charter of the City of Lubbock, Chapter 1, Article IV, Section 02.
http://www.ci.lubbock.tx.us/charter/c1a4s2.htm
"Initiative, Referendum, and Recall Across the States."
http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/h ... ative.html
Is there any way to get some popular big names that are anti-illegal in the media or in politics to show up and help rally people to a protest?
I 2nd the motion on the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRANTosaur
There is some way to get Perry out before his term expires. Didn't Texas give Gov. Paw Furgeson the boot?
Yep! Thought so!
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As in the U.S. Constitution, the only legal method of removing a governor from office is through the process of impeachment and conviction. Impeachment is the process of accusing an official of misconduct in office and is similar to the process of indictment by a grand jury. Impeachment is only a formal accusation – it is not a determination of guilt or innocence. This judgment requires a trial.Quote:
James Ferguson (1915-1917) is the only governor to be impeached and convicted.
Efforts to remove a governor begin in the Texas House of Representatives, which must cast a majority vote in favor of impeachment. Such a vote amounts to bringing formal charges against a governor. The Texas Constitution, however, does not provide any specific grounds for impeachment, leaving such judgments in the hands of the Legislature. Again, this is similar to the national constitution; impeachment is based on the commission of "high crimes and misdemeanors," but after more than two hundred years there is still no consensus what this phrase means in practice.
http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.ed...ec/0303_01.gifJames E. Ferguson: impeached in 1917
Impeachment is followed by a trial in the Texas Senate. The House is charged with prosecuting the case, with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas (an elected position) presiding over the proceedings (i.e., acting as the judge in the case). Conviction requires a two-thirds vote of the senators present. If convicted, a governor is removed from office and disqualified from holding any other state office. James Ferguson (1915-1917) is the only governor to be impeached and convicted. Any member of the executive or judicial branch can be impeached and tried.
Like the impeachment and removal procedure at the federal level, the state constitution provides for a process that is an amalgam of judicial and political elements. Elected officials initiate and carry out the process, but the procedures have a judicial flavor to them that invites elected officials to sit in objective judgment akin to the role played by a jury in a court proceeding. Given the difficulty political actors may have judging objectively, the Constitution ensures that the process will be used rarely.
Sucession: Lt. Gov. will take his place.
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