Thread: Last Task After Layoff at Disney: Train Foreign Replacements

Last Task After Layoff at Disney: Train Foreign Replacements

By JULIA PRESTON
JUNE 3, 2015


Photo

The Team Disney building in Lake Buena Vista, Fla., near Walt Disney World, which houses most of the company's technology operations. CreditBrian Blanco for The New York Times


ORLANDO, Fla. — The employees who kept the data systems humming in the vast Walt Disneyfantasy fief did not suspect trouble when they were suddenly summoned to meetings with their boss.

While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney Worldticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch. Some were performing so well that they thought they had been called in for bonuses.

Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost.

“I just couldn’t believe they could fly people in to sit at our desks and take over our jobs exactly,” said one former worker, an American in his 40s who remains unemployed since his last day at Disney on Jan. 30. “It was so humiliating to train somebody else to take over your job. I still can’t grasp it.”

The layoffs at Disney and at other companies, including the Southern California Edison power utility, are raising new questions about how businesses and outsourcing companies are using the temporary visas, known as H-1B, to place immigrants in technology jobs in the United States. These visas are at the center of a fierce debate in Congress over whether they complement American workers or displace them.

According to federal guidelines, the visas are intended for foreigners with advanced science or computer skills to fill discrete positions when American workers with those skills cannot be found. Their use, the guidelines say, should not “adversely affect the wages and working conditions” of Americans. Because of legal loopholes, however, in practice companies do not have to recruit American workers first or guarantee that Americans will not be displaced.

Too often, critics say, the visas are being used to import immigrants to do the work of Americans for less money, with laid-off American workers having to train their replacements.

“The program has created a highly lucrative business model of bringing in cheaper H-1B workers to substitute for Americans,” said Ronil Hira, a professor of public policy at Howard University who studies visa programs and has testified before Congress about H-1B visas.

A limited number of the visas, 85,000, are granted each year, and they are in hot demand. Technology giants like Microsoft, Facebook and Google repeatedly press for increases in the annual quotas, saying there are not enough Americans with the skills they need.

Many American companies use H-1B visas to bring in small numbers of foreigners for openings demanding specialized skills, according to official reports. But for years most top recipients of the visas have been outsourcing or consulting firms based in India, or their American subsidiaries, which import workers for large contracts to take over entire in-house technology units — and to cut costs. The immigrants are employees of the outsourcing companies.

In 2013, those firms — including Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services and HCL America, the company hired by Disney — were six of the top 10 companies granted H-1Bs, with each one receiving more than one thousand visas.

H-1B immigrants work for less than American tech workers, Professor Hira said at a hearing in March of the Senate Judiciary Committee, because of weaknesses in wage regulations. The savings have been 25 percent to 49 percent less in recent cases, he told lawmakers.

In a letter in April to top federal authorities in charge of immigration, a bipartisan group of senators called for an investigation of recent “H-1B-driven layoffs,” saying “their frequency seems to have increased dramatically in the past year alone.”

Last year, Southern California Edison initiated 540 technology layoffs while hiring two Indian outsourcing firms for much of the work. Three Americans who had lost jobs told Senate lawmakers that many of those being laid off had to teach immigrants to perform their functions.

In a statement, the utility said the layoffs were “a difficult business decision,” part of a plan “to focus on making significant, strategic changes that can benefit our customers.” It noted that some workers hired by the outsourcing firms were American citizens.

Fossil, the fashion watch maker, said it would lay off more than 100 technology employees in Texas this year, transferring the work to Infosys. The company is planning “knowledge sharing” between the laid-off employees and about 25 new Infosys workers, including immigrants, who will take jobs in Dallas. Fossil is outsourcing tech services “to be more current and nimble” and “reduce costs when possible,” it said in a statement.

Among 350 tech workers laid off in 2013 after a merger at Northeast Utilities, an East Coast power company, many had trained H-1B immigrants to do their jobs, several of those workers reported confidentially to lawmakers. They said that as part of their severance packages, they had to sign agreements not to criticize the company publicly.

In Orlando, Disney executives said the layoffs were part of a reorganization of technology operations to focus on producing more innovations. They said the company opened more positions than it eliminated, with a net gain of 70 tech jobs.

“Disney has created almost 30,000 new jobs in the U.S. over the past decade,” said Kim Prunty, a Disney spokeswoman, adding that the company expected its contractors to comply with all immigration laws.

The tech workers laid off were a tiny fraction of Disney’s “cast members,” as the entertainment conglomerate calls its theme park workers, who number 74,000 in the Orlando area. Employees who lost jobs were allowed a three-month transition with résumé coaching to help them seek other positions in the company, Disney executives said. Of those laid off, 120 took new jobs at Disney, and about 40 retired, while about 90 did not find new Disney jobs, executives said.

Photo

Photo

Photo

Excerpts from a contract that technology employees laid off by Disney had to sign.Living in a company town, former Disney workers were reluctant to be identified, saying they feared they could jeopardize their chances of finding new jobs with the few other local tech employers. Several workers agreed to interviews, but only on the condition of anonymity.

They said only a handful of those laid off were moved directly by Disney to other company jobs. The rest were left to compete for positions through Disney job websites. Despite the company’s figures, few people they knew had been hired, they said, and then often at a lower pay level. No one was offered retraining, they said.

One former worker, a 57-year-old man with more than 10 years at Disney, displayed a list of 18 jobs within the company he had applied for. He had not had more than an initial conversation on any one, he said.

Disney “made the difficult decision to eliminate certain positions, including yours” as a result of “the transition of your work to a managed service provider,” said a contract presented to employees on the day the layoffs were announced. It offered a “stay bonus” of 10 percent of severance pay if they remained for 90 days. But the bonus was contingent on “the continued satisfactory performance of your job duties.” For many, that involved training a replacement. Young immigrants from India took the seats at their computer stations.

“The first 30 days was all capturing what I did,” said the American in his 40s, who worked 10 years in his Disney job. “The next 30 days they worked side by side with me, and the last 30 days they took over my job completely.” To receive his severance bonus, he said, “I had to make sure they were doing my job correctly.”

In late November, this former employee received his annual performance review, which he provided to The New York Times. His supervisor, who was not aware the man was scheduled for layoff, wrote that because of his superior skills and “outstanding” work, he had saved the company thousands of dollars. The supervisor added that he was looking forward to another highly productive year of having the employee on the team.

The employee got a raise. His severance pay had to be recalculated to include it.

The former Disney employee who is 57 worked in project management and software development. His résumé lists a top-level skill certification and command of seven operating systems, 15 program languages and more than two dozen other applications and media.

“I was forced into early retirement,” he said. The timing was “horrible,” he said, because his wife recently had a medical emergency with expensive bills. Shut out of Disney, he is looking for a new job elsewhere.

Former employees said many immigrants who arrived were younger technicians with limited data skills who did not speak English fluently and had to be instructed in the basics of the work.

HCL America, a branch of a global company based in Noida, India, won a contract with Disney in 2012. In a statement, the company said details of the agreement were confidential. “As a company, we work very closely with the U.S. Department of Labor and strictly adhere to all visa guidelines and requirements to be complied with.”

The chairman of the Walt Disney Company, Robert A. Iger, is co-chairman with Michael R. Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York, and Rupert Murdoch, the executive chairman of News Corporation, in the Partnership for a New American Economy, which pushes for an overhaul of immigration laws, including an increase in H-1B visas.

But Disney directly employs fewer than 10 H-1B workers, executives said, and has not been prominent in visa lobbying. Mr. Iger supports the partnership’s broader goals, including increased border security and a pathway to legal status for immigrants here illegally, officials of the organization said

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us...ents.html?_r=0

This is the pattern we are seeing all across America! American workers are being targeted and systematically purged from the work force! This is not immigration... this is a weapon being wielded against the innocent people of America!

W

Originally Posted by Newmexican

Last Task After Layoff at Disney: Train Foreign Replacements

By JULIA PRESTON
JUNE 3, 2015


Photo

The Team Disney building in Lake Buena Vista, Fla., near Walt Disney World, which houses most of the company's technology operations. CreditBrian Blanco for The New York Times


ORLANDO, Fla. — The employees who kept the data systems humming in the vast Walt Disneyfantasy fief did not suspect trouble when they were suddenly summoned to meetings with their boss.

While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney Worldticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch. Some were performing so well that they thought they had been called in for bonuses.

Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost.

“I just couldn’t believe they could fly people in to sit at our desks and take over our jobs exactly,” said one former worker, an American in his 40s who remains unemployed since his last day at Disney on Jan. 30. “It was so humiliating to train somebody else to take over your job. I still can’t grasp it.”

The layoffs at Disney and at other companies, including the Southern California Edison power utility, are raising new questions about how businesses and outsourcing companies are using the temporary visas, known as H-1B, to place immigrants in technology jobs in the United States. These visas are at the center of a fierce debate in Congress over whether they complement American workers or displace them.

According to federal guidelines, the visas are intended for foreigners with advanced science or computer skills to fill discrete positions when American workers with those skills cannot be found. Their use, the guidelines say, should not “adversely affect the wages and working conditions” of Americans. Because of legal loopholes, however, in practice companies do not have to recruit American workers first or guarantee that Americans will not be displaced.

Too often, critics say, the visas are being used to import immigrants to do the work of Americans for less money, with laid-off American workers having to train their replacements.

“The program has created a highly lucrative business model of bringing in cheaper H-1B workers to substitute for Americans,” said Ronil Hira, a professor of public policy at Howard University who studies visa programs and has testified before Congress about H-1B visas.

A limited number of the visas, 85,000, are granted each year, and they are in hot demand. Technology giants like Microsoft, Facebook and Google repeatedly press for increases in the annual quotas, saying there are not enough Americans with the skills they need.

Many American companies use H-1B visas to bring in small numbers of foreigners for openings demanding specialized skills, according to official reports. But for years most top recipients of the visas have been outsourcing or consulting firms based in India, or their American subsidiaries, which import workers for large contracts to take over entire in-house technology units — and to cut costs. The immigrants are employees of the outsourcing companies.

In 2013, those firms — including Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services and HCL America, the company hired by Disney — were six of the top 10 companies granted H-1Bs, with each one receiving more than one thousand visas.

H-1B immigrants work for less than American tech workers, Professor Hira said at a hearing in March of the Senate Judiciary Committee, because of weaknesses in wage regulations. The savings have been 25 percent to 49 percent less in recent cases, he told lawmakers.

In a letter in April to top federal authorities in charge of immigration, a bipartisan group of senators called for an investigation of recent “H-1B-driven layoffs,” saying “their frequency seems to have increased dramatically in the past year alone.”

Last year, Southern California Edison initiated 540 technology layoffs while hiring two Indian outsourcing firms for much of the work. Three Americans who had lost jobs told Senate lawmakers that many of those being laid off had to teach immigrants to perform their functions.

In a statement, the utility said the layoffs were “a difficult business decision,” part of a plan “to focus on making significant, strategic changes that can benefit our customers.” It noted that some workers hired by the outsourcing firms were American citizens.

Fossil, the fashion watch maker, said it would lay off more than 100 technology employees in Texas this year, transferring the work to Infosys. The company is planning “knowledge sharing” between the laid-off employees and about 25 new Infosys workers, including immigrants, who will take jobs in Dallas. Fossil is outsourcing tech services “to be more current and nimble” and “reduce costs when possible,” it said in a statement.

Among 350 tech workers laid off in 2013 after a merger at Northeast Utilities, an East Coast power company, many had trained H-1B immigrants to do their jobs, several of those workers reported confidentially to lawmakers. They said that as part of their severance packages, they had to sign agreements not to criticize the company publicly.

In Orlando, Disney executives said the layoffs were part of a reorganization of technology operations to focus on producing more innovations. They said the company opened more positions than it eliminated, with a net gain of 70 tech jobs.

“Disney has created almost 30,000 new jobs in the U.S. over the past decade,” said Kim Prunty, a Disney spokeswoman, adding that the company expected its contractors to comply with all immigration laws.

The tech workers laid off were a tiny fraction of Disney’s “cast members,” as the entertainment conglomerate calls its theme park workers, who number 74,000 in the Orlando area. Employees who lost jobs were allowed a three-month transition with résumé coaching to help them seek other positions in the company, Disney executives said. Of those laid off, 120 took new jobs at Disney, and about 40 retired, while about 90 did not find new Disney jobs, executives said.

Photo

Photo

Photo

Excerpts from a contract that technology employees laid off by Disney had to sign.Living in a company town, former Disney workers were reluctant to be identified, saying they feared they could jeopardize their chances of finding new jobs with the few other local tech employers. Several workers agreed to interviews, but only on the condition of anonymity.

They said only a handful of those laid off were moved directly by Disney to other company jobs. The rest were left to compete for positions through Disney job websites. Despite the company’s figures, few people they knew had been hired, they said, and then often at a lower pay level. No one was offered retraining, they said.

One former worker, a 57-year-old man with more than 10 years at Disney, displayed a list of 18 jobs within the company he had applied for. He had not had more than an initial conversation on any one, he said.

Disney “made the difficult decision to eliminate certain positions, including yours” as a result of “the transition of your work to a managed service provider,” said a contract presented to employees on the day the layoffs were announced. It offered a “stay bonus” of 10 percent of severance pay if they remained for 90 days. But the bonus was contingent on “the continued satisfactory performance of your job duties.” For many, that involved training a replacement. Young immigrants from India took the seats at their computer stations.

“The first 30 days was all capturing what I did,” said the American in his 40s, who worked 10 years in his Disney job. “The next 30 days they worked side by side with me, and the last 30 days they took over my job completely.” To receive his severance bonus, he said, “I had to make sure they were doing my job correctly.”

In late November, this former employee received his annual performance review, which he provided to The New York Times. His supervisor, who was not aware the man was scheduled for layoff, wrote that because of his superior skills and “outstanding” work, he had saved the company thousands of dollars. The supervisor added that he was looking forward to another highly productive year of having the employee on the team.

The employee got a raise. His severance pay had to be recalculated to include it.

The former Disney employee who is 57 worked in project management and software development. His résumé lists a top-level skill certification and command of seven operating systems, 15 program languages and more than two dozen other applications and media.

“I was forced into early retirement,” he said. The timing was “horrible,” he said, because his wife recently had a medical emergency with expensive bills. Shut out of Disney, he is looking for a new job elsewhere.

Former employees said many immigrants who arrived were younger technicians with limited data skills who did not speak English fluently and had to be instructed in the basics of the work.

HCL America, a branch of a global company based in Noida, India, won a contract with Disney in 2012. In a statement, the company said details of the agreement were confidential. “As a company, we work very closely with the U.S. Department of Labor and strictly adhere to all visa guidelines and requirements to be complied with.”

The chairman of the Walt Disney Company, Robert A. Iger, is co-chairman with Michael R. Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York, and Rupert Murdoch, the executive chairman of News Corporation, in the Partnership for a New American Economy, which pushes for an overhaul of immigration laws, including an increase in H-1B visas.

But Disney directly employs fewer than 10 H-1B workers, executives said, and has not been prominent in visa lobbying. Mr. Iger supports the partnership’s broader goals, including increased border security and a pathway to legal status for immigrants here illegally, officials of the organization said

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us...ents.html?_r=0

WELL I SAY EVERY ONE THAT LOVE TO SEE DISNEY . & THEY ARE LAYOFF EVERY ONE FOR FOREIGN REPLACEMENT IN MY BOOK I WOULD NOT GO TO DISNEY THIS IS NOT RIGHT AT ALL

Who wants to increase America's work visas annually? Ted Cruz, republican candidate for President. possibly others. Clinton likely. Senator Sessions Republican AL, spoke to Senate and wrote op-eds about this subject very effectively in support of American labor.. The majority party that he belongs to (republican) all but ignored him as they broke promises while campaigning to stop exec. amnesties.

Sure glad that I am free of Stockholm Syndrome and do not feel any obligation to support either of the major parties. Even more glad that there is no one in D.C. that voted for. I sure wish there was someone wanting a job in D.C. that I felt great about supporting, but not members of the BIG 2! They created what we need to recover from, enough is enough!

Originally Posted by kevinssdad

I sure wish there was someone wanting a job in D.C. that I felt great about supporting, but not members of the BIG 2! They created what we need to recover from, enough is enough!

Yep.

There may be a few people in the Tea Party Movement who proceed from an American point of view, but IMO we'll have to look at candidates one at a time, because neither major party is committed to advancing the interests of Americans.
**************************************
Americans first in this magnificent country

American jobs for American workers

Fair trade, not free trade

Every American should boycott Disney this summer until they fire the foreign workers, rehire the employees they laid off and did not provide another Disney job, and the rules of the corporation are changed to disallow such a practice by their company in the future.

What Disney and other companies have done is unforgivable and they deserve financial losses as a consequence.

Why Walt Disney Would Be Angry With Current Disney Company Outsourcing Shenanigans

AUTHOR: T. STEELMAN JUNE 5, 2015 6:38 PM
The employees who were pink-slipped by the Disney Company last October aren’t the ones who sell you tickets, run the rides or make your food. You never saw these employees, who monitored the computer systems of the Disney parks. They made sure that purchases, reservations and other information made its way smoothly through the Disney data systems.

Around 250 of these highly skilled technical employees were called in to meetings with their supervisors last October. They thought it would be a pat on the back for them, rewarding their recent great performance. They were in for a shock. Instead of a bonus or a raise, they were informed that they would be “separated” from the company. How’s that for a euphemism?

But that wasn’t the half of it. Not only were they losing their jobs, they were required to train their replacements. These new workers were going to be outsourced, brought here to the U.S. on H-1B visas. The employees were devastated. Some had been with Disney for a decade or more. It stunned them. One told the New York Times:

“I just couldn’t believe they could fly people in to sit at our desks and take over our jobs exactly. The first 30 days was all capturing what I did. The next 30 days, they worked side by side with me, and the last 30 days, they took over my job completely.” To receive his severance bonus, he said, “I had to make sure they were doing my job correctly.”

Disney, for their part, claims that they created more tech jobs than they eliminated. But if those jobs are being outsourced, they really didn’t “create” any jobs, per se, did they? They claim that most of those who were laid off were moved into other positions with Disney. In reality, out of 250, only 120 took new jobs with Disney. Forty or so retired and about 90 were sh*t out of luck. The workers say that only a handful moved laterally to new Disney jobs (these were not specified) directly. The rest had to compete through Disney job websites. One of them — a 57-year-old man — applied for 18 of those jobs, with nothing more than a preliminary conversation out of any of them.

These H-1B visas are supposed to be for bringing small numbers of foreign workers to fill jobs that demand specialized skills, skills not being met by American applicants (another reason to overhaul our educational system). These workers are hired and brought in by outsourcing firms like Infosys or HCL America, the firm that Disney is using. These workers don’t get paid as well as Americans, so this move saves companies a lot of money; usually 25-40 percent.

These visas, limited in number, are fought over by tech firms like Microsoft, who may actually have a case for hiring foreign workers with specialized skills. But companies like Southern California Edison, Fossil and Northeast Utilities also used these outsourcing companies. They claim they need these specialized skills. Those who were replaced disagree. And, in every case, the old employees were forced to train their replacements.

Thankfully, this practice has fallen under Congressional scrutiny. In April, a bipartisan group of Senators, along with a group of federal immigration authorities, asked for an investigation into abuse of H-1B visa abuse. Seems a more important reason for an investigation than… oh, the umpteenth Benghazi idiocy. Just sayin’.

So, why do I claim that Walt Disney would be angry about this practice? Not because he was supposedly a racist — I’m not even going there. No, Walt had a philosophy about employees, especially employees of Disneyland. He believed that they were all a family. And he wasn’t averse to paying a bit more for skill, innovation and genius. And he brought his executives into this way of thinking, too:

“…my staff, my young group of executives are convinced that Walt is right, that quality will win out, and so I think they will stay with this policy because it’s proven it’s a good business policy.”

Walt was also all about the American Dream. While that included immigrants, I highly doubt that it would embrace outsourced employees replacing American ones. He was endlessly optimistic about America and what we could do. And the bottom line was never his yardstick.

“Disneyland is a work of love. We didn’t go into Disneyland just with the idea of making money.”

Was Walt Disney perfect? Oh, no. Not at all. He had his blind spots. But he also had a business philosophy and part of that was treating employees like family. That has been trampled like Mufasa in a wildebeest herd (too soon?).

So, to the current management of Disney — looking at you, Robert Iger — I say that they have lost their way. They need to go back to the roots of the Disney Company. That would be the people. That’s what Walt would do.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06...g-shenanigans/

Bob Iger Going to India with President Obama

• Disney News

January 23, 2015

Fortune is reporting that Disney Chairman and CEO Bob Iger is one of several business leaders accompaning President Obama on his second trip to India. Obama is traveling to attend India’s Republic Day celebrations as the guest of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi but the presence of corporate heavyweight underscores the economic opportunities american companies see in India’s $2 trillion economy.

Other business leaders on the delegation include Ajay Banga of Mastercard, Dave Cote of Honeywell, Indra Nooyi of Pepsi, Arne Sorenson of Marriott, and Vivek Ranadive of Tibco.

Since becoming CEO, international expansion has been one of Bob Iger’s strategic priorities. He has invested heavily in India having acquired Inidia’s UTV Software Communications.

http://www.laughingplace.com/w/news/...esident-obama/

Iger went with Obama in January and by April H1-B Indians were replacing US workers......
Business chiefs hitch a ride to India with President Obama

• Tory Newmyer
  

JANUARY 23, 2015,
CEOs from top U.S. companies are joining the President on his trip this weekend to the world’s biggest democracy.

When President Obama flies off to India this weekend for a historic second trip to the newly-arrived economic giant, he’ll have a blue-chip roster of CEOs in tow.

The delegation of business chiefs so far includes Ajay Banga of Mastercard MA -0.78% , Dave Cote of Honeywell HON -0.46% , Bob Iger of Disney DIS -0.92% , Indra Nooyi of Pepsi PEP -0.23% , Arne Sorenson of Marriott MAR -1.81% , and Vivek Ranadive of Tibco TIBX 0.00% , Fortune has learned.

Officially, Obama is traveling to attend India’s Republic Day celebrations as the guest of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi (the President even scrambled scheduling of his State of the Union address to accommodate his attendance). But the presence of the corporate captains the White House hustled to recruit for the mission indicates the economic stakes. Warming diplomatic ties between the world’s oldest democracy and its largest are encouraging American companies seeking expanded access to India’s $2 trillion economy.

Modi is pushing to make his country friendlier to foreign investment with new incentives and regulatory reforms. He unveiled a “Make in India” campaign in September aimed at promoting the country as a manufacturing haven. And the US and India are chasing a five-fold increase in bilateral trade, to $500 billion, by 2020.

Yet policy hurdles remain — on immigration, trade, intellectual property, and climate change, among others.

Those will be grist for a pair of meetings the American CEOs are slated to hold with leading Indian executives on their visit. The US-India CEO Forum, a government-appointed group co-chaired by Cote and Tata Sons chairman Cyrus Mistry, will host the first huddle. (That group was organized around Obama’s first visit to India, in 2010, but one source familiar with it described it as “dormant” in recent years.) Then Obama and Modi will join the chiefs for another organized by the US-India Business Council, a lobby promoting economic cooperation.

The countries are also looking to strengthen defense ties, though it’s not yet clear whether they will announce any procurement deals on this visit.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/23/president-obama-india/

Tell Obama and his phony CEO "friends", NO TRADE DEAL, KILL THE BILL. Americans are fed-up with this high-flying treason. We're filled to the gills with this economic back-stabbing robbing our country of its industrial foundation and the tens of millions of jobs it once generated. We've had it with this slick treason, we're done with the traitors behind it, and this is one issue we can unite against and JUST SAY NO, and WE MEAN HELL NO!

KILL THE BILL OR LOSE YOUR NEXT ELECTION.

Period.