Results 1 to 6 of 6

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

  1. #1
    Senior Member moosetracks's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    3,118

    Mexico, oil, illegals

    This was on Berkeley's site...so I don't know....does anyone trust
    Berkeley very much?







    Agricultural Personnel Management Program
    University of California

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    5/13/03 News Report -- The San Diego Union-Tribune
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Oil and migration make explosive mix in Mexico
    by Jerry Kammer, Copley News Service
    WASHINGTON -- A proposal linking an immigration deal with Mexico to an opening of Mexico's oil industry to foreign investment has sparked outrage in Mexico City.

    "Blackmail" bellowed a headline on the front page of El Universal, Mexico's largest paper. Its Web site invited readers to speak out, and many of their comments plumbed Mexico's well of historical grievance and suspicion toward the United States.

    "These gringos have no mother," wrote Jacinto MuŮoz Garcia, using a particularly scornful phrase. "First they take half our territory, then they take our peasant workers, and now they want our oil."

    Mexico's politicians reacted with similar patriotic passion. The leader of the left-leaning Party of the Democratic Revolution, Rosario Robles, demanded that President Fox "hitch up his trousers and defend the national patrimony against the American pressures."

    Fox, who was politically bludgeoned once after floating the idea of foreign investment for the state-owned Pemex, lined up as demanded.

    "Pemex forms not just a part of our economy but of our history," he declared, invoking proud memories of Mexico's bold 1938 nationalization of oil interests held by Americans and others. "It has not been nor will be for sale."

    GOP members of the House Committee on International Relations wanted to link U.S. willingness to legalize Mexican immigrants to a Mexican agreement that its state-owned oil industry would be open to foreign investment.

    The resolution was a meaningless, if mischievous, bit of political gamesmanship. It was intended to counter a Democratic effort to pressure the White House to make concessions to Mexico. In practical terms, it meant nothing.

    The melodrama actually began with an earlier resolution sponsored by Rep. Bob Menendez calling for a renewed U.S. commitment "to reach a migration accord" with Mexico. The New Jersey Democrat shares Fox's desire for a sweeping legalization of Mexicans living illegally in the United States.

    But the Republicans used their control of the committee to add a big petroleum twist, proposing that Mexico open Pemex to foreign investment in exchange for an immigration deal.

    Rep. Cass Ballenger, R-N.C., who made the gambit, used some distinctly undiplomatic language in describing Pemex. He called the company "inefficient, plagued by corruption and in need of substantial reform and private investment in order to provide sufficient petroleum products to Mexico and the United States to fuel future economic growth which can help curb illegal migration into the United States."

    The tempest in an oil drum received scant attention north of the border. But some Mexican commentators who say Pemex indeed needs foreign investment to meet Mexico's own growing energy needs responded with a sort of weary resignation.

    "The reality is that we Mexicans should be the first ones interested in opening our oil industry to foreign investment and competition," columnist Sergio Sarmiento wrote in the daily newspaper Reforma. "But this is something that our politicians aren't willing to accept. None of them dares to go against a national taboo. None of them has the courage to recognize that our country would be more prosperous and sovereign if it accomplished this opening."

    What Fox most wants to accomplish with the United States is an immigration deal, which would make him a hero. But in its proposal to the United States, the Fox government touches upon another Mexican taboo.

    It has offered to control illegal migratory flows across the border in return for a U.S. commitment both to legalize migrants established here and to issue Mexicans an unspecified number of temporary visas on a permanent basis.

    Mexican officials have long said they cannot stop immigrants from entering the United States because the Mexican Constitution guarantees the right of movement. They respond with a shrug to the observation that the Constitution also requires that persons enter and leave the country at designated border crossing points.

    If President Fox sincerely clamped down at the border, he would run into the buzz saw of Mexican hypersensitivity about defending national dignity in the face of U.S. expectations. Millions of Mexicans have a more direct stake in migration than in Pemex. Fox might make the commitment. But domestic politics might make it impossible for him to honor it.

    http://are.berkeley.edu/APMP/pubs/agwor ... 51303.html
    Do not vote for Party this year, vote for America and American workers!

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    New Richmond,Wisconsin
    Posts
    609
    I heard a little bit about this about a week ago. Supposedly they discovered a massive area of oil in the guilf. Estimates are that it is huge and would end all dependancy on other countries oils once tapped into.
    I also heard that is what all these back room deals between Bush and Fox are really all about. Being the oil tycoon he is, I wouldnt doubt he is trying to get his hands on it.

    Reminds me of the story of the puppy and the bone. Puppy has a bone and crosses a bridge of water. looks down to see his reflection, and see's another dog with a lovely bone. Decides he wants that bone too and bends down to take it from the other dog. SPLASH! The puppy drops his bone in the water and has none now.......

  3. #3
    Senior Member Daculling's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Posts
    142
    Quote Originally Posted by Jezzabell
    I heard a little bit about this about a week ago. Supposedly they discovered a massive area of oil in the guilf. Estimates are that it is huge and would end all dependancy on other countries oils once tapped into.
    That would be the same oil field that is announced before each election cycle... but it never comes online, wonder why? Fact of the matter is... Mexico's largest and most productive field Cantarell will begin to decline in production later this year at a depletion rate of about 20% per annum by most estimates. When that field goes you can bet that Mexico will be in a world of hurt and the US will not be far behind due to the fact that it is the second leading importer to the US.

    As far as Mr. Bush and Fox.... I'm sure there is a deal to export people from Mexico in exchange for the oil.

  4. #4
    Senior Member JohnB2012's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    4,168
    moosetracks,

    A couple of things. I found this article somewhat inflamatory towards Mexico. Also, this article is almost three years old. What is it's relevance now?

    Quote Originally Posted by moosetracks
    This was on Berkeley's site...so I don't know....does anyone trust Berkeley very much?
    Then why post it?

    GOP members of the House Committee on International Relations wanted to link U.S. willingness to legalize Mexican immigrants to a Mexican agreement that its state-owned oil industry would be open to foreign investment.
    Did this ever happen??

  5. #5
    Senior Member butterbean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    11,181
    I read about that plan a year ago at atzlan.com. Its all tied in together.

    http://www.aztlan.net/foxbushdeal.htm
    RIP Butterbean! We miss you and hope you are well in heaven.-- Your ALIPAC friends

    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at http://eepurl.com/cktGTn

  6. #6
    Senior Member MopheadBlue's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    1,273
    Quote Originally Posted by butterbean
    I read about that plan a year ago at atzlan.com. Its all tied in together.

    http://www.aztlan.net/foxbushdeal.htm
    Makes for interesting reading:

    Bush-Fox Deal Behind Tom Ridge's Comments
    on the Legalization of Mexican Immigrants
    by
    Ernesto Cienfuegos
    La Voz de Aztlan

    Los Angeles, Alta California - December 10, 2003 - (ACN) The comments on Tuesday at Miami Dade College by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge, concerning the legalization of millions of Mexican migrant workers in the USA is a consequence of Mexico's President Vicente Fox ongoing secret deals with President Bush, says an influential senator of the Partido Revolucinario Democratico(PRD). The deal concerns the President Fox promise to open Mexico's nationalized oil industry PEMEX to US investors and allow Chevron Corporation to construct an $650 million offshore liquefied natural gas (LNG) receiving and regasification terminal just off the shore of Baja California in return for the legalization of Mexican immigrants by President Bush.

    President Fox has been criticized by the Mexican media and Congress for his efforts to open up PEMEX to foreign investment. La Jornada newspaper of Mexico City recently ran a headline "PEMEX no esta en venta!" (PEMEX is not for sale!) and accused the Mexican president of secret deals with the "gringos". In addition, President Fox has been collaborating with Bush friend's, which at one time included officials of Enron Corporation, to de-regularize Mexico's electrical industry in a similar scheme that victimized Alta California. President Fox and President Bush are personal friends and speak on the phone regularly. Vicente Fox was a former executive of the USA based Coca-Cola Company and was elected, in large measure, through funds from the USA.

    Chevron Corporation has already announced that they will construct the $650 million offshore liquefied natural gas (LNG) receiving and regasification "Terminal GNL Mar Adentro de Baja California" that will sell natural gas in Baja California and to customers up the US west coast. Liquid natural gas is extremely explosive and its detonation could produced deaths equivalent to a small nuclear device. The secret Fox-Bush deal places hundreds of thousands of Mexicans in Baja California in peril.

    For the "Terminal GNL Mar Adentro de Baja California", Chevron plans to transport LNG from the Gorgon gas fields off Western Australia to the Baja California terminal using LNG carriers. The LNG will be loaded into storage tanks within a concrete structure. Terminal GNL Mar Adentro de Baja California will have the capacity to store 250,000 cubic meters of LNG.

    At the Baja California offshore terminal, the LNG will be warmed using seawater to return it to its original gaseous state. This process is known as "regasification." The natural gas then will be transported to shore through a new underwater pipeline at a rate of approximately 700 million cubic feet per day. The pipeline will connect with Baja California's existing gas pipeline system, and the gas will be available for distribution to energy consumers in Northern Baja California and throughout the North American West Coast.

    President Bush cronies include many profiteers within Chevron Corporation. The National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice was on the Board of Directors of Chevron Corporation. She was one of the principal architects of the war against Afghanistan on behalf of Chevron. Today Chevron is working with the USA installed puppet regime in Afghanistan to construct gas and oil pipelines from their oil fields near the Black Sea, through Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •