Thread: Why they flock to the Catholic Church? Tancredo is right!

OK they (iLLEGALS) are Catholics for the most part in Latin America so when the come to America they attend the Catholic church. It is a little more than that however. In the smaller towns of Mexico and Latin America you will find those parks or plazas right in front of the old, sometimes, 500 years old, Catholic church. Catholic mass is not only a church service but it is a meeting place or a place to socialize. Young men will look for potential wives in the park in front of the church. It is a tradition.

Yes, however, Tom Tancredo's remarks about the church recruiting new church members is dead right on. (The mormons in Utah are doing the same thing and are taking members away in droves from the church in Latin America!) Tancredo has every right to criticize the Catholic church and the remarks of the pope. The pope would have been smarter to keep his mouth shut about immigrants in the United States. If immigrants were treated so badly then why have they not been massively rounded up deported like the NAZI's treated jews. Because the church wants amnesty and nhas little regard for our immigration laws. Plain and simple! Perhaps the church should be billed for the costs of education, health care and other services that illegals receive?

You cannot expect the church to put a sign out front that says "NO ILLEGALS ALLOWED". But by the same token one needs to ask why the church is dividing itself between two languages and two cultures?

When the church in DENVER spent $2 million to build "CENTRO JUAN DIEGO" the bishop said and I quote "....this building will bring Catholics together..." both English and Spanish speakers. Absolutely not! As a bi-lingual anglo I have seen what happens when Anglos and Hispanics get together and one group cannot speak English and the other cannot speak Spanish. They sit together at seperate tables on different sides of the room. No interaction takes place. This is diversity? I think not!

There are now two different Catholic churches in the United States. One for English speakers and one for Spanish speakers. It is what it is!

The priests are using the bible and their pulpits to shame Anglos into accepting the illegals. Donated funds are being spent on importing priests legally just as school districts have done the same with teachers from Latin America for bi-lingual education programs. This must infuriate some citizen Catholics should it not?

There is nothing wrong with the church offering English classes for immigrants but what does one conclude when church buildings are used to allow officials from the Mexican consulate to use church facilities to have open meetings for ILLEGALS? The message is that the church is conding the breaking of federal US immigration law. The same church that has hidden sexual predators from law enforcement when bishops have known that there were sexual predator priests in their parishes.

Unfortunately, there are those Catholics who have been so indoctrinated into the Catholic rituals that any discussion of what I say above infuriates them since they live in a perpetual state of denial.

The church is a political entity. The Vatican State is a nation. The United States appoints an ambassador to that nation. Noboduy should be surprised that the Pope speaks at the UN as any head of state may do.

Many of us Catholics, at least in name, do not practice the religion for various reasons. No women priests, no room for gays and birth control etc. The church is NOT a democracy. I would argue that the better educated the Catholic is the more they will be inclined to leave the rituals while the lesser educated (ie from Latin America) will stick to the religion out of ignorance. With many American Catholics not practicing the faith and the millions the church needs to pay off the sexual abuse cases then the church yes is looking for immigrants to fill the void and the coffers. However, immigrants don't have a lot of money so do they risk offending traditional Catholics who do still attend and donate? I think they do.

Finally, I would argue that another reason why the Catholic Church has shown so much vigor towards the illegal immigrant has to do with those priests and nuns who have returned from Latin America on mission and simply see illegal immigration as the same poor they encountered in Latin America. (leftist Jesuits and Maryknollers et al!) They cannot, or choose not, to see the effect that the illegal is having on wage rates, medical costs, education and criminal justice. Why does the "social justice" of the church take precedence over the community well being as a whole?

Anyone who thinks the church is not a political and economic entity in and of itself is sadly living in ignorance and denial!

The nuns and priests are in "recession-proof" professions. They are clueless. and the pope is no different. They do not have to worry about supporting themselves as parishoners pay for the upkeep. I have stopped donating ANY cash to my church and Catholic Charities over their stand on illegal immigration.

My monsignor and I have had many arguments over this. I tell him I have never questioned helping the poor in OTHER countries, but I will be DAMNED if I will give any donations for them, on top of the tax dollars I am already paying that they freeload off of!

We do give presents to our favorite nuns & priests (non-cash only) for birthdays, holidays, etc. Perfume, cigarettes, bottle of wine, etc. Personal "luxury" items that are not provided for them and I KNOW will NOT go to any illegal aliens.

We do give presents to our favorite nuns & priests (non-cash only) for birthdays, holidays, etc. Perfume, cigarettes, bottle of wine, etc. Personal "luxury" items

.................Priests, and nuns, leaders in their churches drink alcohol and smoke? Why?

Originally Posted by AE

We do give presents to our favorite nuns & priests (non-cash only) for birthdays, holidays, etc. Perfume, cigarettes, bottle of wine, etc. Personal "luxury" items

.................Priests, and nuns, leaders in their churches drink alcohol and smoke? Why?

Thats what I was wondering! I was also shocked one time when I heard of a "beer bucket" at a Lutheran gathering!

I guess it is shocking to me, the idea of a church leader drinking and smoking. I am Baptist and there is NO amount of either drinking or smoking from church leaders. They are considered "things of the world" (besides, they are generally bad for you too) and are given no place in our lives.

Anyone who thinks the church is not a political and economic entity in and of itself is sadly living in ignorance and denial!

History shows, especially the Catholic church, has been at the base of alot problems with different countries and their governments. I'm not a total history buff but wasn't the Catholic church in charge as to why so many fled to this country to begin with?

I've always thought the church was to be there to support you to live a spiritual life within the bounds of whatever laws a country has. Fair or un-fair. Heck alot of the New Testiment was written from prison, so to say that respecting the laws of the land are wrong, I don't get. We aren't treating people horribly here....just sending them home. We have a "path" to get here legally, so it's not like we are stopping people from comming here. This country and it's people are noted for being generious and the first to jump to the aid of other people in other countries in trouble. So to encourage illegal immigration seems to go totally against any relegious teaching I've ever heard.

Seems he should have been talking to the church about admitting the wrongs of comming here illegally. The importance of abiding by the law. The importance of trying to make what sacrifices necessary to abide by any conditions to get legal to prove they want to do things right.....instead of crying "racism" at every turn and an endless list of demands and more diversity. Give free English lessons....find reputable attorneys to help the people who want to right this wrong so they aren't victims of their own people who are shysters...have classes to encourage adapting to this country....offer a few AA meetings.....let them know many will be told NO because they have criminal records and encourage finding legal citizen guardians to care for their children if they get deported. Give the same sermons I was told....like Job....suffered horrible things and was a rightous man as a test of his faith to God....not encouring the attitude of "mean Americans" who OWE them something. They should be getting sermons of becomming worthy to be a citizen of this country instead of the constant "race" bashing, lazy American....you owe us attitude. Learning to be responsible for your own actions and whatever that means and praying for strength from God to deal with it.....instead of expecting a country to cater to them. There's a whole lot the church could do to get things moving in the right direction...and towards a realistic common ground......instead of encourging breaking the law.

Originally Posted by AE

We do give presents to our favorite nuns & priests (non-cash only) for birthdays, holidays, etc. Perfume, cigarettes, bottle of wine, etc. Personal "luxury" items

.................Priests, and nuns, leaders in their churches drink alcohol and smoke? Why?

and molest children. Why? Because catholics let them get away with it. The human worship of the old geezer known as the pope is as nauseating as it gets. That is an over zealous religious cult that is the equivalent of organized crime. All the statue and human worship and bizzare traditions are beyond creepy

My Brazilian friend's recent exit from the Catholic church to a Baptist one because she says the Catholic church caters TOO much to ILLEGALS sparked a lot of opposition. I don't think that anyone has any right telling my friend or other frustrated ex-Catholics that they will go to hell for leaving the Catholic church when it INSISTS on WRONGDOING such as HIDING pedophile clergy or AIDING and ABETTING ILLEGAL immigration. And, YES, I recently told the priests at the Catholic church my friend and I USED to attend, aiding and abetting illegal immigration IS a CRIME, and DON'T you DARE BADMOUTH my friend for defecting to ANOTHER church where they at least UPHOLD OUR LAWS! However, as my mother,(also Catholic yet a FIERY American patriot!), pointed out to me, it seems that the Catholic church NEVER admits to ANY wrongdoing EVEN when it is GUILTY as SIN!

Originally Posted by joazinha

My Brazilian friend's recent exit from the Catholic church to a Baptist one because she says the Catholic church caters TOO much to ILLEGALS sparked a lot of opposition. I don't think that anyone has any right telling my friend or other frustrated ex-Catholics that they will go to hell for leaving the Catholic church when it INSISTS on WRONGDOING such as HIDING pedophile clergy or AIDING and ABETTING ILLEGAL immigration. And, YES, I recently told the priests at the Catholic church my friend and I USED to attend, aiding and abetting illegal immigration IS a CRIME, and DON'T you DARE BADMOUTH my friend for defecting to ANOTHER church where they at least UPHOLD OUR LAWS! However, as my mother,(also Catholic yet a FIERY American patriot!), pointed out to me, it seems that the Catholic church NEVER admits to ANY wrongdoing EVEN when it is GUILTY as SIN!

Good for your friend. The hypocrisy of those who run that criminal enterprise knows no bounds. They seem to prey on the weak and gullible in the name of sacriligious BS.

Well, as I have mentioned, when I went to mass over a year ago, in ENGLISH, the priest scolded us for not accpeting the "...immigrants..." into the community. Read the code for he did not say ILLEGAL...but you know...

Then one sunday my wife goes to mass in Spanish and some priest scolds them, illegals present, for not giving more MONEY.

Yes, priests, some, drink and smoke. I am sure many are homosexual.

It is a very controlled religion. Many of the church's teachings have no biblical basis. Example... women cannot be priests? Why can't they marry? Nowhere does Jesus address this in the New Testament. Nowhere.

The church here in America has been hurt by the sex scandals. Millions paid out and how will the church get that money? Many cases hussed up big time! I kne a priest who was sued. Details sealed in federal court. Hussed up to protect the church's immage? Yup! Close Catholic schools and cater to illegals to replace educated Catholics who have had enough and will not donate. The priest shortage is another issue they fail to address.

They are a rigid controlling religion but other religions can be even worse.

The Catholic church will survive and they will continue to add more services in Spanish and more catering. But by the same token if your federal goverrnment ENFORCED THE PASSED IMMMIGRATION LAWS THEN THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.

Miguelina is right, the priests and nuns have everything taken care of for them so it is easy for them to dismiss the effect on the community that illegals bring to the table.

When the church starts spending lots of donated money from citizens to illegals for Spanish everything then what do you have? Two churches.

Illegal immigrant Catholics cannot be donating more than citizen Catholics. They can't afford to and so sooner or late the religion is not about the bible but $.

Over 20 years with this and that I just decided I didn't need them controlling me and the catering to the illegals is a part of that. There are good CCatholics out there still and if they want to participate great but no thanks for me.

Tancredo too I guess since he left the church for another.