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    That's what a natural born citizen was when Article II was written and ratified and what it still means today. In 1790, Congress decided to make children born overseas natural born citizens through the naturalization act, but repealed it in 1795 to return it to the way it was. Every lawyer knows this. Every judge knows this. Every member of our legal community and American citizens have known this for over 228 years. The difference today is that there is such an immigrant-friendly environment and so many immigrants and children of immigrants in the United States that some people think it's time to change it to mean something else.

    Someone who becomes a US citizen by law, such as children born overseas to 1 US citizen through the naturalization act is by definition someone who is naturalized by law because they are not a natural born citizen and require a law to make them a citizen of the United States. They are citizens by law, not natural born.

    It's humorous how Judges are referring to the op-ed article planted in the Harvard Law Review. That article was posted the month Cruz announced his run for the Presidency. The article is planted to claim Cruz is eligible because ne isn't eligible. If he was eligible there would have been no need for the article. The two lawyers who wrote it both worked in the Solicitor General's Office of the United States during the Obama Administration.

    It's a planned attack on our Constitution and the Presidency of the United States by Ted Cruz. One of the lawyers who kindly wrote the article, Neal Katyal, a child of immigrants, was the lead attorney for Al Gore's lawsuit against Bush in 2000. Ted Cruz organized the legal team for Bush in 2000 and chose John Roberts to lead that team of lawyers in the Gore verus Bush suit that went to the US Supreme Court, and people who have been involved in these legal cases know first-hand the friendly relationships the legal teams develop with each other during these disputes.

    Cruz knows he's not eligible. Neal Katyal knows he's not eligible. Paul Clemente knows he's not eligible. They want to change the Constitution through opinions instead of by Amendment.

    The US Constitution is very clear on the differences between a natural born citizen and a citizen of the United States for anyone who knows the meaning of the words in plain language. Natural born means soil and blood, the combination, and without law. 14th Amendment children such as Rubio are not eligible because the 14th Amendment didn't exist at the time. Naturalization Act children like Cruz are not eligible because if you need a law through a Naturalization Act by Congress, you need it solely because you are not a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen requires no law. You are a citizen by nature: born in the US (soil) + born to 2 US citizens (blood).

    Under the theory you're pushing based on what these silly judges are ruling in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, El Chapo can have an affair with an American drug runner, get her pregnant, and his child can become President of the United States, even though that child is a Mexican citizen. A Korean American can have sex with the leader of Korea, get pregnant, and his child can become President of the United States, even though he/she is a citizen of North Korea. A Muslim American can have sex with the Khomeini of Iran, get pregnant, and his child can become President of the United States, even though he is a citizen of Iran.

    Anyone who thinks for a second that was the distinction in Article II of the US Constitution between a natural born citizen and a citizen of the United States just isn't thinking it through or wants children of foreigners to become President of the United States, the very result the founders installed the term to prevent.

    American Voters are the only ones who can uphold this section of the Constitution so hopefully they will do so during their primaries and in the general election. They failed to do in 2008 and 2012, and they can see how that worked out for them.

    Americans are losing our country, so it's not surprising that a movement is underway to lose our Presidency as well. 2016 is the year to take it all back, and I trust Americans love our nation enough to take the brave stance of courage and only vote for natural born citizens, who are people who were born in the US to 2 US citizen parents.
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    This decision is worth reading. It is a very good piece of legal scholarship and clearly written.

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    "The more persuasive legal analysis is that such a child, born of a citizen-father, citizen-mother, or both, is indeed a 'natural born citizen' within the contemplation of the constitution," he wrote in a 26-page decision. (Click to read.)
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    No they aren't. They're citizens by birthright based on naturalization law, not by nature. They are determined to be citizens at birth by law. That is different than a natural born citizen who is a citizen by nature and blood, not by law. The only physical means to achieve a natural born citizenship is to be born in the US to 2 US citizens. Every American has known that. That's why we have a 14th Amendment to allow citizenship to people born here who parents aren't US citizens. That's why we have provisions in the naturalization law to give citizenship to children born overseas to US parents. If they were already natural born citizens they wouldn't need citizenship through the 14th Amendment or naturalization law.

    The confusion is between the terms natural born citizen and birthright citizenship.

    Here's the list:

    1. natural born citizen - born in the US to 2 US citizens (blood and soil)
    2. 14th Amendment citizen - born in the US under our jurisdiction (soil born here to legal non-citizens)
    3. born abroad citizen - born in another country to at least one US citizen parent determined by naturalization law
    4. naturalized citizen - born in another country to non-citizens who are naturalized through naturalization law

    Only Number 1. is eligible to be President or Vice President of the United States under Article II of the US Constitution

    Number 2. - 4. are citizens who can run for Congress but not President or Vice President.

    If you want 2. and 3. to be eligible to run for President and Vice President, then we would need to amend Article II of the US Constitution and make that possible. If you want more Obamas, Rubios and Cruzes, then start some movement to change the Constitution. I don't. I want to restrict the Presidency and Vice Presidency to natural born citizens, born in the US to 2 US citizens. There were valid reasons for this when our country was founded and Article II was written, and honestly, they are every much as valid today if not more so than they were then.

    If you're tired of globalism, if you're fed up with massive illegal and excess legal immigration, then you have to stop electing people to federal office who are not natural born citizens. People with foreign connections through their place of birth and parents have a different view of our country, because they were raised and influenced by the foreign connection. Look at Congress, stop electing people who are not natural born citizens. Just stop it. Make it your own personal criteria if you don't think the courts will support the Constitution. You vote, it's your call.
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    Folks, you can't rely on the courts to save our country. They've never ruled against an illegal alien, an immigrant, or a foreign trade deal sucking US dry as a bone. These guys all went to the same schools preaching globalism, global community, free trade, WTO, UN, open borders, New World Order, One World Government. They're never going to stand up or for natural born citizens or the United States. They never have, they never will.

    Americans can control our country by controlling who occupies the Oval Office and the US Congress. All it takes is our VOTES. Do not vote for anyone who doesn't want a wall, who doesn't want to deport illegal aliens, who doesn't want to reduce and/or pause legal immigration, and/or wants Free Trade Treason Agreements. Just make those two issues: immigration and trade .... deal breakers. The rest will fall into place. There are other things that need to be done of course, but it all starts there with these two crucial monumental issues. And don't let them lie to you. Check them out. Check out their donors.

    And if they're running for Congress or the White House .... just make sure they're natural born citizens. Born in the US to 2 US citizens. Under the Constitution, someone is eligible for Congress if they're just US citizens, not natural born. But I think we'll have a better country if from this point forward we choose candidates for Congress who are natural born citizens for all federal elected positions. Lets try it and see if it makes the difference I believe it will.
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