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The Truth about Undocumented Immigration
Correction: The Bias truth

Undocumented Immigrants Effect on Social Security

Undocumented immigrants compose about three percent of the total US population. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso)

The estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the Social Security system with a subsidy of about $7 billion a year. (The New York Times)

Immigrants contribute billions of dollars annually but receive no public pension in retirement, are not eligible for Medicare, and are not entitled to any other benefits. (Social Security Administration)

Most undocumented workers pay taxes, and they pay a variety of taxes. (The New York Times)

The money that undocumented immigrants paid in 2004 added up to about 10 percent of that year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it pays in pension benefits. (Social Security Administration)

The money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections. (Social Security Administration)

After the 1986 passage of the Immigration Reform and Control Act, the Social Security Administration began receiving mountains of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect or fake Social Security numbers, and placed them in the "earnings suspense file." Since then, the file has grown, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes. (Center for Urban Economic Development at the University of Illinois at Chicago)

Many older workers return home to Latin America when they reach retirement age. (BusinessWeek)



The Healthcare System and Undocumented Immigrants

Immigrants are not swamping the U.S. health care system and use it far less than native-born Americans. (The American Journal of Public Health)

Immigrants accounted for 10.4 percent of the U.S. population but only 7.9 percent of total health spending and 8 percent of government health spending. (The American Journal of Public Health)

Thirty percent of immigrants use no health care at all during the course of a year. (The American Journal of Public Health)

Immigrant children spent or cost $270 a year, compared to $1,059 for native-born children. (The American Journal of Public Health)

Most immigrants have health insurance. (The American Journal of Public Health)

In reality, if more restrictions were placed on health care for immigrants, very little money would be saved, and many immigrant children would be put at grave risk. Many immigrant children already fail to get regular checkups, and as a result, more end up needing emergency care, or get no care at all. (The American Journal of Public Health)

Many immigrants actually help to subsidize health care and social security for the rest the country. (Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University)

Immigrants pay taxes -- including Medicare payroll taxes -- and most pay health insurance premiums, but they receive only half as much care as other families. (The American Journal of Public Health)

Economic Impact of Undocumented Immigrants
Undocumented immigrants have become a new source of economic growth as giant U.S. consumer companies like banks, insurers, mortgage lenders, credit-card outfits, phone carriers, and others aggressively market to over 11 million undocumented customers. (BusinessWeek)

Undocumented immigrants add 600,000 to 700,000 new consumers to the economy every year. (Pew Research Center)

84% of undocumented immigrants are 18-to-44-year-olds, in their prime spending years, vs. 60% of legal residents. (BusinessWeek)

Allowing immigrants financial privileges boosts corporate profits because it enables them to move out of the cash economy, put their money in banks, and take out credit cards, car loans, and home mortgages. U.S. gross national product also surges because consumers with credit can spend more than those limited to cash. (BusinessWeek)

When more undocumented immigrants pay income and property taxes, they help ease the tax burden for others when it comes to paying for schools, health care, roads, and other services immigrants use. (BusinessWeek)

Letting the undocumented save and invest, could also result in a decline in crime because if immigrants are allowed to protect their money in banks, the rate of hold ups and robberies in Latino or immigrant neighborhoods drop. (Austin Police Department)

Immigrants benefit the economy more than they take away in social services. (National Academy of the Sciences)

In 2004, Arizona suffered severe labor shortages and huge quantities of lettuce went unpicked because growers lacked pickers. In 2005, the Central Valley in California had 70,000 to 80,000 labor positions that were unfilled. Legalizing workers would alleviate such labor shortages. (Benjamin Powell, economist at the Independent Institute)

Immigrants are one of the main labor sources for the rebuilding and clean-up effort in post-Katrina Louisiana and Mississippi. (NewAmericanMedia.org)

As much as half of all U.S. retail banking growth is expected to come from new immigrants over the next decade. (The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp)

Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrant households earn enough to qualify for $95,000 mortgages. (National Association of Hispanic Real Estate Professionals)

ITIN and conventional mortgages taken out by undocumented could be worth as much as $60 billion over the next five years. (National Association of Hispanic Real Estate Professionals) Undocumented immigrants now comprise fully half of all farm laborers, up from 12% in 1990. (US Department of Labor)

Undocumented immigrants are 25% of workers in the meat and poultry industry, 24% of dishwashers, and 27% of drywall and ceiling tile installers. (The Pew Research Center)

The overall proportion of unauthorized workers in the labor force is 4.3%. Employers from many sectors of the US economy employ unauthorized immigrants – including enormous amounts of private US households. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso)

The estimated population growth rate in Mexico is declining rapidly and may soon be slower than that in the US. (United Nations)

Immigrants benefit the United States economy but their potential remains hindered by current laws. They do not deplete government resources, as is widely believed. (Benjamin Powell, economist at the Independent Institute)

Undocumented add at least $22 billion, in total, to the economy each year, and legalizing their status would increase that amount. (Benjamin Powell, economist at the Independent Institute).

National Security and the Undocumented

None of the 9/11 terrorists entered the country via the US/Mexico border. In fact, the US is most vulnerable at its ports of entry, including ship ports, airports, and land ports. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).

It is not easy to immigrate to the US legally as it often takes decades before an individual can obtain many kinds of legal immigrant visas. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).

Working with Mexico is central to the future of controlling the US border. Through cooperation with Mexico, the US will be able to isolate criminals, publicize rules, and identify forms of Mexican identification. (Peter Laufer, former NBC new correspondent).

Enhanced border enforcement only increases the number of deaths of men, women, and children at the border annually. Areas with heavy border security see up to 100 additional deaths a year. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).

While heavy border does not stop the volume of unauthorized border crossing, it does increase the costs and risks of coming to the US, including death, injury, and the use of smugglers. It also reduces the number of back and forth trips, forcing undocumented immigrants to stay longer. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).
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Does LULAC even know the " true definition" of the word "truth"?

If you've noticed, none of this can be varified!

I've read this stuff before.

In fact, I read something similar about Texas - they even told how much illegals spend on the Texas lottery.

Now they don't know how many are here, don't know where they are, don't know if they are illegal or not, etc., - but they know how much illegals spend on the lottery.

Immigrants are not swamping the U.S. health care system and use it far less than native-born Americans.

Tell that to the people at Parkland Hospital in Dallas.....

They do not get that it is to late for them to try this tactic. There are to many people in this country that are not concerned with any benefits there may be to illegal immigration even if their statistics were true.

There is more to it then numbers, and only a small portion of us realize any financial benefit there is.

How they can think that any of this even matters any more is beyond me. We feel betrayed by our government to the point that we would remove most of them now if we had a choice.

This isn't something that is going to go away because of a few numbers.

They government could pass a law today saying that they are legal, it would not change a thing as far as the people in this country are concerned, it would only create more anger towards our government, while at the same time transfer create a hardship for even legal immigrants because of public sentiment.

The time is past for any option but enforce and deport. Their mistakes were their protests accusing us and demanding "their citizenship", "their country we stole", as well as infiltrating our government with their socialist views. The progressive Democrats are so socialist that if the citizens of this country actually understood what was going on the Democrat part would be disbanded or face the consequences.

Being "Undocumented" how would the even know or keep track of any of this???????????

Originally Posted by wmb1957

They do not get that it is to late for them to try this tactic. There are to many people in this country that are not concerned with any benefits there may be to illegal immigration even if their statistics were true.

There is more to it then numbers, and only a small portion of us realize any financial benefit there is.

How they can think that any of this even matters any more is beyond me. We feel betrayed by our government to the point that we would remove most of them now if we had a choice.

This isn't something that is going to go away because of a few numbers.

They government could pass a law today saying that they are legal, it would not change a thing as far as the people in this country are concerned, it would only create more anger towards our government, while at the same time transfer create a hardship for even legal immigrants because of public sentiment.

The time is past for any option but enforce and deport. Their mistakes were their protests accusing us and demanding "their citizenship", "their country we stole", as well as infiltrating our government with their socialist views. The progressive Democrats are so socialist that if the citizens of this country actually understood what was going on the Democrat part would be disbanded or face the consequences.

Exactly, this is like saying that "Illegal" is nolonger the key factor!

I have always called this "the cost of (illegally) doing business in the US." I think all the illegals accept this and that's why they don't complain. As long as the radar isn't on them, they will continue to pay into SS as a price they are willing to pay. The NET PAYCHECK is still more than what they would have earned back home.

I don't believe they pay into SS in that amount - I think that is hype, or just plain lies.

Most illegals I know work as contract labor. No taxes are withheld, and at the end of the year, they get a 1099 or it is mailed somewhere into the country, and they promptly ignore it.

Some may pay SS - but I do believe if they do and if they can prove it - there is going to be a SS check waiting for them someday - count on it.

Gee, I didn't see anything mentioned about the costs to taxpayers for the masses of illegal aliens crowding our jails and prisons.

No mention of the costs incurred by the judicial system for court costs, public defenders, translators, etc.

No mention of the costs to the juvenile justice system for the thousands of junior gang bangers, truants and dropouts who turn to crime, vandalism, grafitti.

No mention of the numbers of deaths and injuries, and the resulting costs to innocent Americans due to illegal alien DUI and Hit & Run drivers, with most of them having no licenses, registration, let alone insurance.

No mention of the need to build new schools and classrooms to provide for the masses of anchor baby and illegal alien children who nearly all need ESL, ELL and bilingual services.

No mention of the costs, let alone the psychological and physical harm felt by Americans who are the victims of rape and child molestation, identity theft, car theft, robbery, car jacking, home invasion robbery, grafitti and vandalism, and on and on and on.

Funny how all these things are completely absent from their stats and figures.