Thread: Churches and politics

How are churches getting away with being political and yet not losing their tax-exempt status?

They are campaigning for the 2008 elections, campaigning for passage of immigration laws to permit amnesty, etc.

Good question? I really wish they would stay out of it. There is a book called "Misquoting Jesus". Maybe they should read it?

Originally Posted by Disillusioned

Good question? I really wish they would stay out of it. There is a book called "Misquoting Jesus". Maybe they should read it?

I don't think modern religions are interested in the teachings of Christ unless it serves their purpose. They are hellbent on the New World Order that Christ warned about in the last days.

To the pastor who say that "God say there is no boundaries."

There is no sanctuary in a place of worship for an illegal alien, who is a criminal because they have broken the law of our land, to take refuge from prosecution.

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

“You must not covet (desire)your fellow man’s house.”
(One of the ten commandments.)
“Covetousness”= greedy desire for what belongs to others.
This country is my home and for illegals to break in and take what is legally mine is a crime. The law protects a person’s house and so forth.
The jobs, social services and benefits that is legally there for me is being stolen by the intruders (illegals ) that broke into my home. They also steal my social securily number and my I.D. The law that is supposed to be there to protect me is aiding and abetting the intruder who committed the crime against me and my home.
The minister and the church (members) that is giving sanctuary to the intruder is also breaking the law by aiding and abetting the intruder.
Whomever is sanctioning this invasion (crime) of my home is breaking God’s law as

Boundaries (borders)

Boundaries were set in place by God from the beginning of time and for a reason.
Gen 4;10,11....3;23,24...

Gen 15;18-21. Ex 23;31..... To Abraham and his seed God promised a certain land with definitely stated boundaries.
Gen 15;13-16.....would enforce an eviction decree when “the error of the Amorites” came to its completion.

Deut 2;4,5,18,19....Jehovah God also decreed that the Israelites would not encrouch on the boundaries of the nations of Edom, ....

Deut 32;8....when the Most High gave the nations an inheritance, when he parted the sons of Adam from one another, he proceeded to fix the boundary of the people with regard for the number of the sons of Israel.”

Eph 2;12-16....Under penalty of death, Gentiles were prohibited beyond that boundary, such wall serving the apostle as an apt illustration of the division created by the Law covenant.

Sadly, American Churches Are Helping Mexico Win the War:



What is truly outrageous about the Mexican 'stealth war ' is that many churches and their 'leaders' in America have become the proverbial 'fifth column' for Mexico's reconquista war, by 'aiding and abetting' the Hispanic tidal wave. By functioning as a 'fifth column' they are "a group of people who act traitorously and subversively, out of a secret [or not so secret] sympathy, for the enemy of their country."(42) Our American churches are hard at work 'aiding and abetting' the overwhelming Hispanic illegal alien invasion that has trampled our laws and sovereignty, balkanized our neighborhoods, and insidiously and deviously corrupts and degrades our unifying English language, American culture, and society.



What is 'Aiding and Abetting?' To actively, knowingly, or intentionally assist another person [such as an illegal alien] in the commission or attempted commission of a crime.(43) For example 'aiding a abetting' illegal aliens to enter, reside and work in America, involves three separate felonies. Or, for the clergy to ask or engage their 'flock' or other sympathizers to join together in church sanctioned projects or events to criminally 'aid and abet' illegal aliens, is inviting them to participate in a conspiracy, which is an additional felony.



Those churches and religious followers who 'aid and abet' illegal aliens here in America are legion. This article reveals only one thin slice of the 'aid and abet' pie. This research reveals that churches of many denominations have deliberately violated multiple federal immigration laws in pursuit of their ambition to 'help' illegal aliens as part of their religious affiliations and misguided beliefs. They have engaged in this lawbreaking . . . repeatedly, endlessly and unchecked by our government!



Why do religious institutions, like the Catholic Church, and others, defy our immigration laws? Why do they flaunt our laws, by enabling millions upon millions of illegal aliens to enter, reside and work in America? Do they do so in order to 'feel good' about what they see as their 'Christian duty'? Why do pious people of the Christian faith believe it is okay for them to disobey our laws, which were created to protect and defend our country and its populous? Do they feel that they are above the law? By their example, does that mean that it is okay the rest of us to disobey other laws, as we chose? As you will find below, they DO believe that they are ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LAW!



Churches and religious groups who choose to defy our immigration are criminals! It does not matter what 'higher law' they think they are obeying. They are the proverbial 'Fifth Column' who operates out of sympathy for the 'invading army' of illegal aliens, by traitorously and subversively facilitating the Mexican 'migrant army' invasion of our country. An Hispanic/Latino invasion that WILL, by their sheer numbers, irrevocably alter our American community. They will divide our nation into two languages, two cultures, and two societies. The Catholic Church and Charities, their membership along with other churches and religious zealots who think only of their 'mission' without regard for the rest of us . . . are traitorous criminals who are betraying their country and its citizens!



Churches and religious zealots apparently believe that they should not be bound by the immigration laws of our country. They have taken it upon themselves to defy our laws by illegally 'aiding and abetting' aliens to come, enter, take up residence and work here in America. That makes them criminals! They also conceal, harbor and shield them from detection in houses, transport them and engage in conspiracies with others to commit those same illegal acts. In their 'blind ambition' the Catholic Church, Charities and many others are committing felonies in violation of our immigration laws, because of their misguided religious fervor. They are facilitating and perpetuating the unrelenting and exorable illegal alien invasion of our country! Their complicity and duplicity is a national tragedy and an egregious sacrilegious disgrace!



Many church organizations such as the California Council of Churches, who represents 1.5 million members of mainstream Protestant and Orthodox churches, and the Pomona-based Progressive Christians Uniting have pilloried Governor Schwarzenegger for standing up for those American Patriots called the 'Minutemen.' The churches and their minions sniveled: "We are appalled that Governor Schwarzenegger, who as our state's chief magistrate is pledged to maintain the rule of law, has chosen instead to praise a group of vigilantes who operate outside the law, saying they've done a terrific job in patrolling the border with Mexico."(44)



They go on to say: "No responsible or moral public official would encourage citizens to take the law into their own hands, particularly on an issue that is already so laden with division and hatred."(44)



And, still more invective: "'Playing on people's fears and divisions and dropping bombshells like those [praising the Minutemen] of last week represent demagoguery, not leadership' said the letter, signed by the Rev. John Walsh, a University of Redlands chaplain, and 149 other religious leaders."(45)



Unfortunately . . . those churches and 'Christian' leaders(???) have based their entire diatriabe on a LIE! How moral is that? It is deemed a lie, because the Patriot Minutemen have NEVER taken the law into their own hands nor has such an accusation been proven to be true . . . EVER!



What is so outrageous about all these religious institutions that are discussed here, is that they are fostering and promoting anarchy which is the: "Absence of government; [creating] the state of society where there is no law or supreme power [except God's law and who enforces that?]; [it is] a state of lawlessness; [and of] political confusion."(46) If the churches succeed is their mission . . . they will destroy the United States of America, a nation once touted as "a nation of laws!"



from michnews.com

references are all listed at site

I notice the pro-illegal churches don't pay for the illegals health care, cost of incarceration etc. The churches want the taxpayer to pay for all of this.

Cindy wrote:

I don't think modern religions are interested in the teachings of Christ unless it serves their purpose. They are hellbent on the New World Order that Christ warned about in the last days.

I agree, Cindy , many churches have their own agenda and it power and greed based, nothing to do with God.

DONT PUT ANYTHING IN THE COLLECTION BASKET.THAT WILL CHANGE THEIR TUNE ON THE ISSUE.DONATE IT TO ANOTHER GROUP THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE NEEDY BUT FOR LEGALS.