Thread: No work, no pay, no reason to stay.

I'm very concerned about the illegal immigration problem and offer this
idea for discussion.

Why don't we change the law that says "employers shall make a good faith effort" to determine if someone is in the US legaly, to read "shall
ensure" that they are in the US legally in order to get employment.

For all those business who will complain about the costs involved, give
them tax credits to offset the costs. For the business that complain that they need low paying workers to stay competitive.... if you can't be
competitive following the rules... you shouldn't be in business in the first
place....

We are in total agreement. However, the Congress and House won't pass the bills.

We'd love to have some suggestions for getting that done and are glad to have a new recruit!

Welcome and visit often!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could be wrong, but I believe is is a 5th degree felony to knowingly hire people that are in this country illegally. They don't have the magic Social Securtiy number, so how can these companies pay payroll taxes on them. I also think that if companies are hiring these people and paying cash, without paying Federal, State and Social Security tax they are in violation of several tax laws and should be reported to the IRS, not imigration.
Another issue that I am curious about is the requirement of banks, and business to report any cash transactions over 10,000.00. If someone is paying cash for let's say a car and it is 16,000.00. It is the responsibility of the dealer to report the transaction. This is an effort to track money laundering. All of these things are already illegal, obviously these laws are not being enforced.
It is a great deal for these businesses and individuals to get this cheap labor, but in order to work for 5.00 an hour, these folks have to have their actual living expenses provided by the states.
People that hire illegal immigrants, and take advange of the immigrants and their country by paying cash and cheating on taxes should, in my opinion be prosecuted.

You hit the nail on the head by saying "knowingly hire". Business get around this by saying they made a "good faith effort" by collecting SS info and documents for a new hire.

I propose the rules be changed to say "shall ensure" they are here legally by taking the xtra step of using a 3rd party firm to do a quick SS & document check.

I'm sure businesses would fight tooth and nail to avoid this... but it would
save taxpayers tons of money all the way around, not to mention the security issue. It just makes sense to do this.

How does one get a bill sponsored in Congress for this or even at the state level?

Most politicians are too concerned with keeping thier jobs and catering to the special interests that they won't touch this.... but there must be someone out there that will.

I believe that these laws are already in place.

In New Mexico and Texas in the 70's and 80's meat packing plants were notorious for hiring illegals. The border partol would pick them up and deport them, the company would hold their job open until they got back. Unitl they started fining the packing plants something like 5,000.00 or more per illegal employee.
Haven't some of our politicians been in trouble for hiring illegal house keepers and nannys and not paying taxes on them.
If a company is is on the up and up, they can sponsor that employee for a work visa.

If these laws are in place... which I don't think they are, there are no teeth in them. The problem is that it is all too easy for a business to look the other way for their own gain vs. the needs of others.

I could go into any company around here and find illegals working, and the business could just say.......well... what they gave us looked o.k.

I read somewhere that the average cost to the US taxpayer is $3,600/yr. per illegal household, and something as simple as requiring confirmation of documents provided at employment could save us billions yearly.

Actually, if you know of someone who is employed illegally, you can report them. I know someone who found out several employees were illegal, reported them, and a while later, everybody recieved a memo stating they had to offer proof of citizenship.
Laws work. If the authorities refuse to enforce them, you have the right to.
I also believe, as with the Mayor of San Francisco, no one with the power of enforcement can refuse to enforce laws. Demand enforcement when you know of infractions.
-ph-

Checking on ALIPAC Links I have found the website reportillegals.com. This is from that website. This particular website has some very interesting services.

Department of Homeland Security
According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) the following are the most common violations of United States Immigration laws:
• Filing false statements on applications or petitions.

• Making a false claim that you are a United States citizen.

• Making, altering or using counterfeit immigration documents.

• Making, altering or using counterfeit documents to support immigration applications or petitions.

• Failing to report the arrival of illegal aliens.

• Assisting or encouraging aliens to come to the United States in violation of the law.

• Harboring an illegal alien.

• Knowingly employing aliens who do not have permission to work in the United States.

• Recruiting or referring for a fee aliens who do not have permission to work in the United States.

• Failing to complete and maintain immigration Form I-9 for all new employees, whether citizens or aliens.

• Failing to depart the United States when ordered removed (deported).

• Entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place which is not authorized.

• Attempting to enter the United States by misrepresenting (lying about) material facts.

• Entering into a marriage to circumvent the immigration laws.

• Entering or attempting to enter the United States without permission after having been removed (deported).

• Assisting an alien to enter the United States for prostitution or other immoral purposes.

Federal Bureau of Investigation
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) handles suspected criminal activity, especially suspected terrorists, human traffickers, and sexual predators.

Health and Human Services
Illegal aliens may be illegally receiving Health and Human Services (HHS) benefits including Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and unemployment insurance, at both national and state levels.

Internal Revenue Service
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) pursues those who willfully and intentionally violate their known legal duty of voluntarily filing income tax returns and/or paying the correct amount of income, employment, or excise taxes.

Social Security Administration
The Social Security Administration (SSA) pursues complaints of fraud, waste, and abuse within SSA's programs and operations. Of particular concern is fraudulent use of Social Security numbers.

Selective Service System
The Selective Service System (SSS) requires male illegal aliens residing in the United States who are 18 through 25 years of age to register. Some states require registration as a condition for state financial aid for school as well as for other benefits.