Thread: North Carolina Residents: Real ID Guinea Pigs

THE AFL-CIO IS NOT FOR ILLEGALS.NO UNION EXCEPT FOOD SERVICES IS FOR THEM.
I AM A PART OF THE AFL -CIO AND WE DO NOT TOLERATE ANYTHING OF THE SORT.
WE ARE FOR INCREASING WAGES AND BENEFITS NOT LOWERING THEM.

TheMAN
http://www.google.com/search?q=AFL-CIO+ ... Sfficial

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/washi ... 44f7k6O7CQ

Read these then call you union reps.

Jack Blood denied passage on Delta to attend Bowman Event in Atlanta

9/11 Blogger
Thursday, August 9, 2007

I often wish that I was born 100 yrs earlier. In fact I have had the nagging feeling that I was birthed into the wrong time channel most of my life. Back in 1999 a disciple of Edgar Cayce wrote a book about reincarnation, in which she contemplates if I was a 19th century French Poet. Possibly Charles Baudelaire. I never took much stock in it and never had the proof I needed to be sold on reincarnation. I shrugged it off. Still I couldn't feel more out of place in the Brave New World of 2007.

Today I tried to catch a flight from Austin TX to Atlanta GA and was denied by a chubby Chinese Delta airlines supervisor (I will call him Harry Fong) because I didnt have a "Government issued ID" . I have flown many times in the past without ID, but never on Delta who for whatever reason have a non negotiable policy on flying without ID. Fong seemed a bit too happy about the outcome, and his eyes lit up a little to much when saying "Government Issued ID."

I assume that since having an ID is a matter of choice and it is technically unconstitutional to force someone to have one, that Delta caved to federal pressure to enforce the rule or policy. Delta has been in bankruptcy for years and counts on Federal subsidiaries (welfare) to stay in business. Years ago I heard that the Rockefeller family owned 60+ % of all airlines. They are the railroads of the modern era. A basic search for stockholders yielded nothing.

There is a legal precedent for this of course in Gilmore v. Ashcroft -- FAA ID Challenge

This case evolved into Gilmore v. Gonzalez with a "No decision" being the outcome. Gilmore contended that there is no law, or rather there is a "secret" law requiring ID to fly on commercial airlines, and that this non law or secret law violated his 4th amendment right to privacy. Because of profiling and data basing I might have argued that this non law violated his 5th amendment right to self incrimination as well.

Here is a section of the suit:

"...in regards to the right to travel issue which
counsel argues they should not be liable for, again, this goes
right back to the secret law issue, as to whether or not they
have the right to demand id or not. we do not know what that
law is because it's not been published. the government has
stated, as we mentioned in our addendum that the airlines are
not mandated to demand, merely request it."

So it seems that the Non Decision due to jurisdiction is an admission that there is indeed NO LAW requiring us to show ID. So it is a matter of 'policy' constitutional or otherwise for the airlines to 'require' ID. I have learned this because I have successfully traveled on other airlines without ID, as I have successfully navigated TSA without ID, although I did get a virtual anal probe by gleeful TSA agents.

This of course all due to 911.

The fact is, this requirement does NOTHING to stop terrorism! Terrorists are perfectly capable of obtaining fake IDs and would have no problem getting on a plane if they so desired. "Four of the hijackers ... had valid Virginia driver's licenses. . . . They were not American citizens. They didn't even live in Virginia.

Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman, the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly issuing visas to unqualified applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for training in terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden (BBC, November 6 2001). It seems this operation continued after the Afghan war for other purposes. It is also reported that five of the hijackers received training at secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek, September 15 2001).

Michael Springman, former head of American Visa Bureau in Jeddah:

In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Department officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. Theses were essentially people with no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their home country. I complained bitterly at the time there, I returned to the US, I complained to the State Department here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and to the Inspector Generals Office. I was met with silence.

So what really is behind all of this? CONDITIONING!

The Federal Government wants to identify all Americans at all times. They want to make it such a hassle to move about and conduct business that we will give up and comply to their every wish. Hence the Real ID Act 2008. Hence the use of social security (control) numbers integrated into everything we do now. Hence massive personal data basing which is particularly rabid on travelers. Hence the Registered Travel Program or CAPPS 2. Hence lie detector kiosks at our airports Why are you REALLY traveling today? Do you belong to any terrorists groups? Do you love the constitution? Hence TSA to Screen for Terrorists by Reading Palms. Hence, Jack Kerouac turns in his grave.

Do Illegal Aliens need to show ID to travel by air? That I cannot tell you but my bet is that they either have a Matricula card from their home embassy, or they drive.

I fear that too many of us will give in and those of us who hold out will undergo a zealous raking as the heat continues to be elevated.

It's a beautiful day in Texas, and right about now I should be landing in Atlanta preparing to host a conference with Dr Bob Bowman. I will not be doing that now.

I would like to stage a call to action and will you the reader to protest by Boycotting Delta Air, and any other airline that requires ID. I would like to tell you that if enough of you would stand with me, and get others to stand with you, that we could put an end to this illegal practice before we are all chipped and tracked like dogs. But I know that most of you will not be inconvenienced, nor will you take the required steps to preserve privacy and freedom. Harsh words I know but I have become a realist.

Therefore I will erase my line in the sand. A line I have sacrificed for these past 8 years being battered like a keg cork on Oktoberfest. I give in. I will be getting my ID and will join the cattle careening across the wide open in stuffed aluminum tubes. I will because I cannot live like this anymore, alone, Mr. Gilmore and I.

This is of course a sign of our times, as we know. "everything changed after 911" and this is the price I must pay for not being a 19th century French Poet. My Bad.

Facts about DELTA relevant to my rant:

Delta was one of the airlines targeted in the failed Operation Bojinka plot: the conspirators planned to bomb a Delta MD-11 flying from Seoul to Bangkok via Taipei on January 21, 1995.

Delta is seeking approval for a daily flight from Atlanta to Shanghai starting March 25, 2008

On September 14, 2005, Delta filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for the first time in its 76-year history. The company cited high labor costs and record-breaking jet fuel prices as factors in its filing. At the time of the filing, Delta had $20.5 billion in debt, $10 billion of which accumulated since January 2001.

Delta and its financial advisor, the Blackstone Group, (The Blackstone Group has deep ties to the Carlyle Group. Deltas previous financial advisor was now defunct Arthur Anderson (Enron)

Prisoners of our passports
ID Card: Password to the Police State

Article Found at : http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/au ... _blood.htm

If anyone of you get this on your Drivers License, Fry the RFID. Stick it in the microwave for 5-10 seconds. Will melt the RFID rendering it useless.

If I get one of these the next time I get a license you can bet your a** that the first thing I do will be to stick it in the microwave to disable the RFID.

Originally Posted by Hapexamendios

If anyone of you get this on your Drivers License, Fry the RFID. Stick it in the microwave for 5-10 seconds. Will melt the RFID rendering it useless.

If I get one of these the next time I get a license you can bet your a** that the first thing I do will be to stick it in the microwave to disable the RFID.

Someone should make a Youtube video to show how this is done. I know it seems simple but, the wide reaching audience on Youtube would get the message out faster.

Frying the RFID will not remove your biometrics and personal information from a database that will make you more vulnerable to id theft.

Originally Posted by Hapexamendios

If anyone of you get this on your Drivers License, Fry the RFID. Stick it in the microwave for 5-10 seconds. Will melt the RFID rendering it useless.

If I get one of these the next time I get a license you can bet your a** that the first thing I do will be to stick it in the microwave to disable the RFID.

First of all, I'd like to thank JP for all of the hard work he has done to keep up with this ongoing conspiracy that the government is involved in with trying to wear down our privacy when its the privacy of the terorrists they should be wearing down.

Second, I gotta hand it to Hapexamendios for coming up with this one! It may not fry the database, but it will keep it from broadcasting, if it really does that.

RockFish. I will be doing a followup on this story.

RFID is Radio Frequency Identification. It broadcasts 125 kHz. or 13.56 (LF or HF) MHz. There are other frequencies as well.


Now thanks to some crafty people there are complete instructions on how to build a reader online, jsut in case they stop allowing people who have no reasonable need for them to purchase one for less than $200.00 Criminals will love this web site. http://www.openpcd.org/ Heck they even have an online store https://shop.openpcd.org/ Look at the first item for sale.

JP, you mean to tell me that anyone can buy these things and recieve and store info about any broadcasting RFID (on a Linux OS)?

Most of our products require a working Linux installation and are not supported under other operating systems.

I would like to know what possible use can the odinary Joe have with these gadgits. Oh, yes, ID theft. Well, I guess they'll have to outlaw these things along with the REAL ID idea, if we're going to keep our privacy. Just makes me wanna puke.

If they keep all of your information on these cards anyone with a reader can get your information. They will use it to steal your id. You don't need to show id to get a credit card so it will be easy for them to steal your information and use it for that purpose.

People in retail, you know the cashiers who make minimum wage could keep a reader in their pocket and scan people's Id Cards as they check out. They could sell it on the net or to other criminals who will use this information to cause the victims years of grief.