Thread: Numbers USA Updated 2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Stances

Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod

Wrong!


As governor of Massachusetts, from 2003 to 2007, he vetoed an in-state tuition bill for illegal immigrants and authorized his state troopers to detain people based on their immigration status.

Yes, and he expressed reluctance in vetoing that in-state tuition as well as saying Mcains amnesty plan was reasonable in 2005. He signed the agreement to authorize his state police to detain people on the 13th of december 2006 knowing his successor was against it, it was rescinded less than a month later without ever taking effect. IMO it was a blatant political move, he didn't really start the anti-illegal stuff until he was preparing to run for president. If he does becomes president we will get a much better idea of where he really stands on illegal immigration, and I think alot of people are going to be disappointed.

Originally Posted by sajason

Yes, and he expressed reluctance in vetoing that in-state tuition as well as saying Mcains amnesty plan was reasonable in 2005. He signed the agreement to authorize his state police to detain people on the 13th of december 2006 knowing his successor was against it, it was rescinded less than a month later without ever taking effect. IMO it was a blatant political move, he didn't really start the anti-illegal stuff until he was preparing to run for president. If he does becomes president we will get a much better idea of where he really stands on illegal immigration, and I think alot of people are going to be disappointed.

Pretty much. And I'll be there to say "told yah so". If people think putting a RINO - Oh and c'mon. McCain, the biggest RINO, endorsed Romney last week, if that doesn't say it all I don't know what does - in the White House will do more than Bush did, than you're mistaken. Most people here see that he's a RINO, but sadly there are a few who just can't accept it for whatever reason, I have no idea.

It bears repeating: McLame endorsed Mitt Romney this week.

"I'm against an amnesty and against anything that provides an incentive for people to come here illegally."
National Review - Matinee Mitt - Dec 14, 2005


"On immigration, I did not support the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill. There are aspects I found to be troubling."
Arizona Capitol Times - Interview with Mitt Romney: Governor of MA - Nov 17, 2006


"Another aspect of American sovereignty is the security of our borders. The current system is a virtual concrete wall against those who have skill and education, but it's a wide-open walk across the border for those that have neither. McCain-Kennedy isn't the answer. As governor, I took a very different approach. I authorized our state police to enforce federal immigration laws."
Mitt Romney remarks at CPAC - Mar 2, 2007


"People should have no advantage by having come here illegally. I am going to tell them to go home, but they start by beginning the process of applying for citizenship. But I do not believe -- or applying for permanent residency. They're not going to be barred from doing that, but they do not get any advantage by having come here illegally. That's the key part of what I objected to in McCain-Kennedy.

"McCain-Kennedy, what it did is said that people who are here illegally get a special pathway. They're not like all the other immigrants in the world that want to come to this great country; they get a special pathway. That's what's wrong about it. If you're here illegally, you should not have a special pathway to become a permanent resident.

"My view, you have to secure the border, number one, have an employment verification system, number two, and number three, say to those that are there illegally, get in line with everybody else; you're not going to have a special doorway, any particular advantage, by having come here illegally, to become a permanent resident. And my fear is that McCain-Kennedy would do to immigration what McCain-Feingold has done to campaign finance and money in politics, and that's bad. (Applause.)"
Republican Debate Transcript, South Carolina - May 15, 2007


"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.

"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable employment verification system must be our first priority."
Mitt Romney on immigration bill - May 17, 2007

1. Romney proposes/plans efforts to end illegal employment
After immigration officials arrest nine people selling fake ID cards (Boston Globe - Jun 14, 2006), federal authorities arrest 150 immigrants in New England, many with criminal histories such as membership in a gang (Boston Globe - Jun 15, 2006), and other bad immigration news, Governor Romney and state legislatures take action:

“After the Globe reported that some contractors on state-funded construction projects have apparently employed undocumented workers, [Democrat Attorney General] Reilly said it was his responsibility to protect workers, not crack down on employers.

“In the wake of the story, Romney said he would ask the US government to grant State Police the authority to enforce federal immigration laws...

“In describing his proposal, Romney said his intention was to make Massachusetts a less desirable place for undocumented immigrants to live and work.”
Boston Globe - Jun 23, 2006


“Governor Mitt Romney also called for a federal solution. He said the federal government needs to develop a system where residency and citizenship documents are tamper-proof, and employers can tap into a nationwide verification network to check on employees' immigration status...
“The best way to prevent undocumented immigrants from finding work in Massachusetts is to make the state inhospitable to them, Romney said, citing his veto of a bill granting in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants.”
The Boston Globe - Reilly reiterates stance on workers - Jun 20, 2006


“Employers with state contracts would be required to make sure their workers have valid Social Security numbers by checking a federal online database under a bill proposed yesterday by Senate Republicans to combat illegal immigration...
“Governor Mitt Romney has also not seen the bill introduced by fellow Republicans but supported the idea in principle, said Eric Fehrnstrom, his spokesman.”
The Boston Globe - Bill would force state contractors to verify workers - June 22, 2006

“You brought up immigration. Can you lay out your plans for that?

“The first thing we did in Massachusetts was to secure our southern border with Connecticut. Sorry, I'll be serious now. I do agree it makes sense to build a fence to have a barrier between our nation and another nation. But at the same time, the only really effective deterrent against illegal immigration will be an employment verification system, with a tamper-proof card that can be verified by employers before they hire people...
“I would like to solve the problem of illegal entry into the country and solve the employment verification system before we expand a guest worker program... I would penalize employers who hire people who did not have a card and who had not verified that card through the employment verification system.”
Arizona Capitol Times - Interview with Mitt Romney: Governor of MA - Nov 17, 2006


"He instituted English immersion in the public schools and abolished the old bilingual education system."
Boston Globe - Romney is the kind of leader we need - Dec 14, 2007


"The prospects for a controversial proposal to allow roughly 150,000 undocumented immigrants to obtain drivers' licenses in Massachusetts darkened considerably this week as Gov. Mitt Romney came out against the idea and the bill's sponsor acknowledged that 'it doesn't look as if the legislation could become law.' ...

" 'Those who are here illegally should not receive tacit support from our government that gives an indication of legitimacy,' the governor said, echoing arguments that opponents have voiced in the commonwealth and in other states considering similar license measures. 'If they are here illegally, they should not get driver's licenses,' he said." (2003)
The Boston Globe - Romney Stand Dims Chances of License For Undocumented - Oct 28, 2003


"Romney also rejected a proposal to allow undocumented immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates at state colleges and universities" (2004)
The Boston Globe - Romney vetoes $108.5m in budget - June 26, 2004


"A bill currently being considered by the Legislature would provide in-state tuition at our public colleges and university to individuals who are in the United States illegally. That is wrong. Because a family breaks the law, that should not entitle them to a taxpayer subsidy. Enactment of this legislation would encourage more illegal immigration and send the wrong message to those immigrants who played by the rules. Governor Romney vetoed a similar provision last June, and he is prepared to do so again." (November 2005)
The Boston Globe - An unfair reward for illegal immigrants - Nov 8, 2005

"Also certain to resurface in the Legislature is a bill that would provide in-state tuition rates at public colleges to undocumented immigrants.
"Lawmakers approved the tuition measure last year, but Romney vetoed it and an attempted override failed in the House in January" (2006)
The Boston Globe - For new governor, divisive issues loom - Sep 9, 2006

"In 1994, when he tried to unseat Ted Kennedy, he ran against higher taxes and government-run health care, and for school choice, a balanced budget amendment, welfare reform, and"tougher measures to stop illegal immigration." He was no Rockefeller Republican even then."

National Review - Romney for President


"The Mitt Romney who hit the campaign trail in 2002...was now a media star - People magazine would soon name him one of the 50 Most Beautiful People in the World... He favored the death penalty and an initiative petition to replace bilingual education with English immersion;"
The Boston Globe - Taking office, remaining an outsider


“Governor Mitt Romney has reached an agreement with federal authorities that allows the Massachusetts State Police to arrest immigrants who are in the state illegally, his spokesman said...

“Under the deal, brokered after months of negotiations, troopers can detain people they determine are illegal immigrants during regular police duties, Fehrnstrom said...

“In June, when Romney announced he was seeking the deal, he said it would give the State Police a way of "finding and detaining illegal aliens in the ordinary course of business." ”
The Boston Globe - Troopers can arrest illegal immigrants in Romney deal - Dec 3, 2006


“Mitt Romney seems to have a similar patriotic sense of what it means to be an American, and presents it and himself well. He stopped special benefits for illegal immigrants here, where he had some authority.”
Salem News - Feb 16, 2007 (archived copy on cltg.org)

While the Pauls are pushing I ....uh...uh..uh yahooed? hmmm

SB1070...Ron Paul---Nope
Border Wall...Ron Paul----Nope

See what else I can find since Old Ron and all his personal friends are busy...

E-verify..Ron Paul---Nope.

Originally Posted by airdale

While the Paul's are pushing I ....uh...uh..uh yahooed? hmmm

SB1070...Ron Paul---Nope
Border Wall...Ron Paul----Nope



See what else I can find since Old Ron and all his personal friends are busy...

E-verify..Ron Paul---Nope.

Well I may not be a "google" but even though he has spoke out against "birth right citizenship" once The Illegals are here...Big freaking deal Ron!

And on Deport, all i can find is Old Ron saying "can't".

Not my choice.....on Illegal Immigration!

Mitt Romney on Immigration

Alien employment cards ; not amnesty. (Nov 2011)
Vetoed in-state tuition; turn off the magnet. (Sep 2011)
Of course a border fence; of course no free tuition. (Sep 2011)
Build 2,600-mile fence with enough guards to secure it. (Sep 2011)
Turn off the magnet that attracts immigrants. (Sep 2011)
I like legal immigration; let business determine visas. (Aug 2011)
Immigration practices are upside down: more hi-tech visas. (Mar 2010)
Ardent proponent of English immersion. (Mar 2010)
GovWatch: 2005: Called comprehensive reform “reasonable”. (Feb 200
Deport illegal immigrants in 90 days under the ideal setting. (Jan 200
Found Z-visa & McCain-Kennedy bill to be offensive. (Jan 200
FactCheck: Yes, his ads DID accuse McCain of “amnesty”. (Jan 200
Illegal immigrants should go home eventually. (Dec 2007)
No mandatory prison term for employers who hire illegals. (Dec 2007)
AdWatch: Huckabee ok’ed tuition & scholarships for illegals. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Took hard-line on illegals, but only late in term. (Dec 2007)
Welcome the people who have been standing in line first. (Dec 2007)
Employers have no means of knowing who’s legal & who’s not. (Dec 2007)
Avoid chain migration; disallow families from one citizen. (Dec 2007)
Illegal immigrants shouldn’t get tuition break in schools. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: Illegals employed at his home, but by contractor. (Nov 2007)
AdWatch: No driver’s license & in-state tuition for illegals. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: MA state cops never enforced immigration laws. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: Took no action against 4 Mass. sanctuary cities. (Nov 2007)
Reduce federal funding to sanctuary cities. (Sep 2007)
Z-visa is not technically amnesty; but is in fact amnesty. (Sep 2007)
FactCheck: NYC never declared itself a “sanctuary city”. (Sep 2007)
Make America more attractive for legal immigrants. (Aug 2007)
Priorities: secure border, employer verification, no amnesty. (Aug 2007)
Enforce the law against 12 million illegals here now. (Jun 2007)
Proposed Z visa allows illegal aliens to stay in America. (Jun 2007)
Make English national language; communicate in Spanish too. (Jun 2007)
McCain’s plan gives special pathway to those here illegally. (May 2007)
Keep rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
The 12 million illegal immigrants can’t stay forever. (Jan 2006)
Unfair to allow all illegal immigrants to stay. (Jan 2006)
Tuition breaks encourage illegal immigration. (Nov 2005)

http://www.issues2000.org/Mitt_Romney.htm#Immigration

Originally Posted by googler

And I'll be there to say "told yah so".

Oh, and by the way google, your cockyness on these boards is nauseating.

Originally Posted by googler

It bears repeating: McLame endorsed Mitt Romney this week.

Mitt Romney never endorsed McLame so this is a non-issue.

Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod

Oh, and by the way google, your cockyness on these boards is nauseating.

Yeah! "Google" that!

Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod

Mitt Romney never endorsed McLame so this is a non-issue.

As I recollect it, Romney quit the last race to aid McAmnesty's run for the presidency. None of the candidates this time are any good for us either. Not worth any ire. The best we can do is help some decent folk get into Congress.