Thread: Body Scanner Updates

http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx ... &catid=188

Sacramento-area pilot punished for YouTube video

SACRAMENTO, CA - An airline pilot is being disciplined by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for posting video on YouTube pointing out what he believes are serious flaws in airport security.

Three days after he posted a series of six video clips recorded with a cell phone camera at San Francisco International Airport, four federal air marshals and two sheriff's deputies arrived at his house to confiscate his federally-issued firearm. The pilot recorded that event as well and provided all the video to News10.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02129.html

Full-body scanners: Exposing issues of privacy, and body image
Washington Post
All of which may help explain why most Americans seem unconcerned about those full-body airport scanners, the ones that see under your clothes. ...


http://www.mydesert.com/article/2010122 ... gs-airport

Washington Post
Full-body scanners debut at Palm Springs airport
The Desert Sun
A full-body scanner is up and running at Palm Springs International Airport, and the airport is due to receive another sometime next year. ...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02919.html

TSA scanners, pat-downs particularly vexing for Muslims, other religious groups
Washington Post
The addition of full-body scanners, which many say violate Islam's requirements of modesty, has upped the stakes, especially for women. ...


http://mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2 ... 845553.txt

Traveling for the holidays? Avoid security scanners
Main Line
[b]Besides violation of privacy (the scanners provide images of a person’s body including genitalia), the scanners are simply not safe. A group of scientists at the University of California in San Francisco (UCSF) raised concerns about their “potential serious health risksâ€

I'll still support them, at least until we get a ban on individuals from countries known to have large amounts of anti western extremists.

When it comes to my kids I'll sacrifice some privacy to feel more secure in their safety. The idea of these isn't so much to catch the terrorists but to deter them to less high number targets. If they get a plane as we've seen a couple hundred passangers each along with the plane being able to be used as a nice big bomb.

But then I think I'm one of the few who realize freedom is not free and we have to have things in place to protect ourselves from extremist agenda's that are bent on just killing Americans. This is why I served, to do my duty for my country (not the government) and I'll continue to do so until I die.

The problem with the scanners is 1) they take a picture that is saved and 2) the dose of radiation maybe too high 3) they don't really help.

Reading other threads about TSA and their workers.. The air ports are NOT secure. Ignore passengers, no one has done a good enough job background checking their employees. Baggage handlers that are illegals, TSA workers kidnapping and raping little girls, etc. The last bomb scare I remember reading about was with bombs underneath the planes, in the baggage area, etc.

Right now all I see scanners as being nothing more then a publicity stunt, money maker for certain people and a cheap way to get a huge porn collection.

1. The "saved" pictures are faceless and honestly people shouldn't be so afraid of the human body. The pictures are also extremely boring to look at when with a click of a mouse button theres millions of better pictures. Many of the pictures on the net are easily identified as fakes doctored up and those that aren't look fairly... well boring.

2. The dose of radiation many experts have said seperately is 1/100th the radiation in a modern medical x-ray. The ONLY disputers of that have no evidence to support otherwise even though the base technology is readily available on the net, and those disputing all come from areas known to pretty much oppose any government extra regulations.

3. They don't catch terrorists, they deter them. For example if you have the power to take away a nuke from a terrorist while giving them a bomb is it still a good trade? Your talking about 1 terrorist, better odds just 2-3 taking control of a plane with 200+ passengers that is basically a flying bomb if used like in 9/11 for the potential of thousands of deaths. You DO deter them. Yes, this means they will attack other targets which could injure or kill dozens of people... better then thousands though even though both are bad.

Until we can get a solid way to identify and catch any potential terrorist our best defense is deterrance. Do keep in mind to easily identify and catch would also likely mean a massive invasion of public privacy and public tracking... very horrible idea.

Just think how many planes would have fallen out of the sky if we didn't have these measures and just let people walk onto plans with whatever they may be carrying? What kind of lawlessness would we have without police on the streets?

Just a suggestion...step away from the koolaide syanis.

Erm, the saved pics are NOT faceless. Glen Beck did an episode and he showed pics and not only could you make out the face perfectly, but in order for him to show them, he had to blur out the private areas.

The dose of radiation and how it affects people is still being debated.

http://www.kevinwebb22.com/america/dang ... -dangerous

Unlike other scanners, these new devices operate at relatively low beam energies (28keV). The majority of their energy is delivered to the skin and the underlying tissue. Thus, while the dose would be safe if it were distributed throughout the volume of the entire body, the dose to the skin may be dangerously high.


Maybe the radiation levels are safe, but since everyone that claims they are can't be trusted, I look elsewhere too.

You think the scanners deter criminals? LMAO!

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... own/67337/

The problem is that no scanners or puffers can detect PETN; only swabs and dogs work. What the TSA hopes is that they will detect the bulge if someone is hiding a wad of it on their person. But they won't catch PETN hidden in a body cavity. That doesn't have to be as gross as you're imagining; you can hide PETN in your mouth. A terrorist can go through the scanners a dozen times with bits in his mouth each time, and assemble a bigger bomb on the other side. Or he can roll it thin enough to be part of a garment, and sneak it through that way. These tricks aren't new. In the days after the Underwear Bomber was stopped, a scanner manufacturer admitted that the machines might not have caught him.

http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns ... re-a-bust/

Full body scanners, costing up to $200K installed, are less able to detect explosives than an explosives sniffing dog, and no better than well trained security agents using a standard pat-down at finding weapons.
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I can post a lot more from those articles and I can post a lot more articles, but I think I made my point?

Step outside the box. Is it that hard to see the vulnerabilities that are all around each and every one of us.

Total safety would look like the bubble boy in bullet proof glass.

How many millions of people live in tornado alley and do not have a tornado shelter?

Originally Posted by roundabout

Step outside the box. Is it that hard to see the vulnerabilities that are all around each and every one of us.

Total safety would look like the bubble boy in bullet proof glass.

How many millions of people live in tornado alley and do not have a tornado shelter?

If DHS was in charge of tornado shelters they would grope people's genitals to make sure they weren't smuggling in tornados.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Originally Posted by Ratbstard

Just a suggestion...step away from the koolaide syanis.

Syanis is a pro-government troll. You can easily pick that up from the strange style of English he writes in.

So since we disagree on one topic I'm a pro government troll? I'll admit I know we need the government and I'll admit the government has overstepped its bounds on many occasions.

But because I say there is a very fine line to draw between personal rights and security as a nation that makes me somehow makes me a pro government troll.

Please do refrain from calling someone a troll just because on one lousy topic people may not see eye to eye. Much better to debate a point of view rather then simple name calling.

Originally Posted by millere

Originally Posted by Ratbstard

Just a suggestion...step away from the koolaide syanis.

Syanis is a pro-government troll. You can easily pick that up from the strange style of English he writes in.