Thread: The breakdown of moral society

This is just another reminder to me that we have too many groups that push too many conflicting values to us and our children that will continue to divide people till outright complete moral breakdown and total world and civil war. What ever happened to if you don't have anything respectful to say then don't say it, think what you want but unless it affects your health and sovereignty then just let it be. But no we have to try and teach our children good values just to have them undermined by everything you see. No wonder we have so much rebellion from our youth and even older people. this melting pot is coming to a boil and were sitting on the lid!



WASHINGTON, D.C. — You better watch out. There is a new combatant in the Christmas wars.

Ads proclaiming, "Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake," will appear on Washington, D.C., buses starting next week and running through December. The American Humanist Association unveiled the provocative $40,000 holiday ad campaign Tuesday.

In lifting lyrics from "Santa Claus is Coming to Town," the Washington-based group is wading into what has become a perennial debate over commercialism, religion in the public square and the meaning of Christmas.

"We are trying to reach our audience, and sometimes in order to reach an audience, everybody has to hear you," said Fred Edwords, spokesman for the humanist group. "Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

To that end, the ads and posters will include a link to a Web site that will seek to connect and organize like-minded thinkers in the D.C. area, Edwords said.

Edwords said the purpose isn't to argue that God doesn't exist or change minds about a deity, although "we are trying to plant a seed of rational thought and critical thinking and questioning in people's minds."

The group defines humanism as "a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism, affirms our responsibility to lead ethical lives of value to self and humanity."

Last month, the British Humanist Association caused a ruckus announcing a similar campaign on London buses with the message: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

In Washington, the humanists' campaign comes as conservative Christian groups gear up their efforts to keep Christ in Christmas. In the past five years, groups such as the American Family Association and the Catholic League have criticized or threatened boycotts of retailers who use generic "holiday" greetings.

In mid-October, the American Family Association started selling buttons that say "It's OK to say Merry Christmas." The humanists' entry into the marketplace of ideas did not impress AFA president Tim Wildmon.

"It's a stupid ad," he said. "How do we define 'good' if we don't believe in God? God in his word, the Bible, tells us what's good and bad and right and wrong. If we are each ourselves defining what's good, it's going to be a crazy world."

Also on Tuesday, the Orlando, Fla.-based Liberty Counsel, a conservative Christian legal group, launched its sixth annual "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign." Liberty Counsel has intervened in disputes over nativity scenes and government bans on Christmas decorations, among other things.

"It's the ultimate grinch to say there is no God at a time when millions of people around the world celebrate the birth of Christ," said Mathew Staver, the group's chairman and dean of the Liberty University School of Law. "Certainly, they have the right to believe what they want but this is insulting."

Best-selling books by authors such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens have fueled interest in "the new atheism" — a more in-your-face argument against God's existence.

Yet few Americans describe themselves as atheist or agnostic; a Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life poll from earlier this year found 92 percent of Americans believe in God.

There was no debate at the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority over whether to take the ad. Spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein said the agency accepts ads that aren't obscene or pornographic.

Click here for a video report from MyFOXDC.com.

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion

Maybe since Christmas is a religious holiday, they shouldn't celebrate it or they can make thier own.

A while back when that gay governor (can't remember his name) came out of the closet, Oprah had him on as a guest to explain himself. It was the first time I heard the term "personal truth" coined. What a bunch of BS. America has lost it's moral compass and in trying not to offend one group they manage to offend those of us who are believers in the Good Book and the truth that God gives us. This country was built on Christian principles like it or not.

Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion

Maybe since Christmas is a religious holiday, they shouldn't celebrate it or they can make thier own.

A while back when that gay governor (can't remember his name) came out of the closet, Oprah had him on as a guest to explain himself. It was the first time I heard the term "personal truth" coined. What a bunch of BS. America has lost it's moral compass and in trying not to offend one group they manage to offend those of us who are believers in the Good Book and the truth that God gives us. This country was built on Christian principles like it or not.

I agree that this group should keep it's mouth shut. I also agree that America has lost it's moral compass. Christians are in this group too though. What would Jesus do? Would he ask people for money to support a business (church), or would he ask for money to feed the poor? There are several examples of how Christians have strayed off course, not living up to what Jesus had intended. Salvation through doing, not saying.

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Yes! They are an awful lot, really AWFUL!

No one is forcing religion down peoples throats. Unbelievers dont have to believe in God. But why throw in Santa Claus with their ads?

It is the ultimate acquisition of arrogance. Reminds me of the "God is Dead" mantra of the sixties and seventies. If you ask these folks where mankind came from, they'll say "Evolution, of course." Ask them where the original cells came from that eventually evolved. Oops. No good answer for that. Ask them where the universe came from. "The Big Bang, of course." Ask them where the matter came from that went bang in the big bang. Oops. No good answer for that either.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory are just that. Theory. Theory is NOT scientific fact.

I believe it is impossible for us, as human beings, to even remotely comprehend eternity. Some of us can accept that. Those that cannot, convince themselves that they have "rational answers" to all the great questions, and those answers do not require the acknowledgment of an intelligence greater than ours. I called this the ultimate arrogance, but maybe that isn't quite accurate. Maybe it is the ultimate insecurity.

Originally Posted by 4thHorseman

It is the ultimate acquisition of arrogance. Reminds me of the "God is Dead" mantra of the sixties and seventies. If you ask these folks where mankind came from, they'll say "Evolution, of course." Ask them where the original cells came from that eventually evolved. Oops. No good answer for that. Ask them where the universe came from. "The Big Bang, of course." Ask them where the matter came from that went bang in the big bang. Oops. No good answer for that either.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory are just that. Theory. Theory is NOT scientific fact.

I believe it is impossible for us, as human beings, to even remotely comprehend eternity. Some of us can accept that. Those that cannot, convince themselves that they have "rational answers" to all the great questions, and those answers do not require the acknowledgment of an intelligence greater than ours. I called this the ultimate arrogance, but maybe that isn't quite accurate. Maybe it is the ultimate insecurity.

Actually science is getting closer to explaining that. The "M" theory is pretty amazing, and it just shows how grand God is and his presence exists multi-dimensionally. We are not the center of the universe anymore. Many scientists (especially in the quantum fields) are no longer athiests because in their findings, they realized that something is controlling everything, and that something can only be God. God created the big bang, which explains the expansion of the universe.