Thread: Otherwise law abiding? Please, give it a rest.

We've been told that it is the "otherwise law abiding" illegal aliens who should be given the greatest consideration for legalization.

Exactly how many such people do you think exist? Are they common?

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There is no such thing as an otherwise law-abiding illegal alien. They break numerous laws to get here, they break days every day they're here, they steal jobs, deflate wages, rob educations and health care, lie to employers, lie to public agencies, violate our traffic laws, harm our children, kill drivers, kill innocents, run drugs, run guns, run human smuggling, rape, pillage and plunder our country in more ways than we can count, and breed like rabbits growing our population beyond sustainable levels.

The only person who would think these people should be citizens are people who never worked in a competitive environment and haven't risked or given a thing to earn their citizenship. No descendant of any American with 2 live brain cells still connected thinks, believes or feels that illegal aliens should be given anything except a speedy hearing and an irrevocable deportation order.

Interesting article SZinWestLA, thanks for posting. This is original article from The Bee.

No criminal charges for Fresno State student leader after crash
Posted at 11:59 PM on Monday, Jan. 10, 2011
By Marc Benjamin / The Fresno Bee Share156


Fresno State's controversial student body president apparently broke traffic laws in a single-vehicle crash early Sunday but likely will not be prosecuted on criminal charges.

Pedro Ramirez, 22, who became nationally known two months ago after announcing that he is an illegal immigrant, was driving a pickup that crashed into a tree and brick base around the tree, causing "substantial damage," said Fresno police Capt. Andy Hall.

The accident was reported at 5:49 a.m. Sunday at the intersection of East Alamos and Recreation avenues.

Hall said Ramirez, who was injured in the crash, was driving without a license, made an unsafe lane change and -- based on the distance of skid marks -- was likely driving faster than the posted 25 mph speed limit. The Toyota Tacoma pickup he was driving was registered to Martin Ramirez of Tulare, he said.

When police arrived, they found Ramirez pinned in the driver's seat with serious head injuries, Hall said. No alcohol was detected on Ramirez by police or at the hospital, Hall said.


Pedro Ramirez

PDF: Pedro Ramirez traffic collision report

Ramirez was giving a ride home to a friend who told police he had called Ramirez because he had been drinking, Hall said. The passenger, identified as Luis Hernandez of Fresno, was concerned about the pickup's speed just before the accident and told police he had asked Ramirez to slow down, Hall said.

Police will recommend that the District Attorney's Office file a misdemeanor unlicensed driver charge against Ramirez, Hall said.

But unlicensed driver cases are almost always prosecuted as infractions, the least serious category of violations that is resolved with a citation, Hall said.

"We had 9,300 unlicensed drivers last year, and virtually all were prosecuted as infractions," he said.

Ramirez, 22, was the only person injured in the accident. He was taken by ambulance to Community Regional Medical Center, where he was in fair condition Monday, a hospital spokeswoman said.

A friend, who identified himself only as John, answered Ramirez's cell phone Monday and said Ramirez was "doing OK." He would not answer other questions.

Hall said Ramirez's name was not found in the California Law Enforcement and Telecommunications System -- which tracks the state's licensed drivers -- by the officer who arrived at the scene.

"There was no license that we could find," Hall said.

Ramirez's lawyer, Jessica Smith Bobadilla previously told The Bee that Ramirez does not drive.

The officer at the scene was not a traffic officer and could not write citations for the other traffic infractions unless he witnessed them, Hall said.

Ramirez's case is "not out of the ordinary," he said. "He was treated like any other driver."

He said Ramirez will be responsible for the damage he caused and his medical bills.

Fresno State President John Welty said Monday that he was "very saddened to hear that Pedro Ramirez ... was injured in an automobile accident. Our first concern is for his recovery and my hope is that he will heal quickly and completely."

Ramirez's immigration status has prompted questions.

Student Neil O'Brien said Ramirez has been illegally driving, working and participating in the political process.

O'Brien, who has posted allegations against Ramirez on a website, also has suggested that Ramirez is really a legal resident pretending to be illegal to make a political statement.

Smith Bobadilla, the lawyer representing Ramirez, said in an e-mail that Ramirez isn't working, driving, voting or impersonating an illegal immigrant.

Ramirez said he was brought to the U.S. from Mexico by his parents at age 3.

The Bee examined many of the questions O'Brien raises on his website, including the suggestion that Ramirez is a legal U.S. resident. O'Brien said he found Fresno County records that match the names of Ramirez's parents and date to the early 1980s -- showing they lived here prior to Ramirez's birth.

But the couple he named didn't appear to be Ramirez's parents. The Bee found documents supporting Ramirez's contention that he and his family have lived for years in Tulare County.

A second charge appears -- at least in part -- to be uncontested: Ramirez previously has said he's worked odd jobs to help pay college tuition.

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DUI checkpoints net 81 arrests

DUI checkpoints net 81 arrests


Authorities in Fresno and Madera counties have arrested 81 people on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs in the last week, officials said Friday.

There will be several DUI checkpoints set up in Fresno and Selma this weekend as part of a campaign by local law enforcement agencies to crack down on driving under the influence. Meanwhile, there will be extra DUI patrols in Clovis, Sanger, Chowchilla, Madera, Firebaugh and Parlier.

The campaign, which is funded through a grant from the California Office of Traffic Safety, will last through Jan. 2.



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