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    Our progressive`s three-fifths attack upon our Constitution!

    It is so sad to see how government school teachers have been getting away with lying to our nation’s children for years about our founding fathers being evil White men, and in particular with regard to our Constitution’s three-fifths clause which they assert made Blacks three-fifths of a person. This propagandist narration of history reflects that which is taught in government operated schools by our progressive domestic enemy crowd.

    The truth is, the injustice of slavery was not an injustice inflicted or perpetrated by our Constitution. Quite the contrary! Upon the creation of the United States Constitution, as witnessed by Article 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3, an aversion to slavery was expressed by the founding fathers, and a specific penalty was imposed upon those states having state sponsored slavery! Unfortunately, the constitutional penalty for state-sponsored slavery has been distorted and mischaracterized over the years by progressives who have seized control over our government schools and falsely teach our nation’s children the provision in question made " blacks three-fifths of a person."., and they do so for no other reason but to discredit our Constitution and bring shame to our founding fathers.


    But a review of the actual words of Article 1, Sec. 2, clause 3, which progressives continually use as a weapon to discredit our Constitution, reveals slave holding states were penalized by this provision which denied them full representation in Congress in proportion to their actual population size---the population of slaves not being fully counted when apportioning representatives among the states, which diminished the voting strength of slave holding states in Congress!

    In addition, our founding fathers provided a specific provision in the Constitution allowing Congress to tax the importation of slaves after the year 1808, which was specifically intended to be used to discourage and bring an end to slavery! But heck, why would our progressive government school teachers want to teach the truth to children when their job is to delude them with propaganda, turn our nation’s young against our federal Constitution and the documented intentions under which it was adopted, in order to impose a vision of government upon these children which turns out to be a federal plantation with children viewed as future tax slaves, there to financially support folks in government who live large by confiscating the bread which business and labor has produced?


    In reference to our founding fathers it is also interesting to note that after the Revolutionary War and the people of America gained their independence from foreign domination [the real culprit of slavery on American soil] the people within a number of the states, exercising their newly found freedom, quickly moved to share the blessings of liberty to all by abolishing slavery! For example, the people of Vermont took this immediate action in its 1777 declaration of rights, which declared "no...person born in this country, or brought here over sea, ought to be holden by law to serve any person as a servant, slave, or apprentice". Likewise, the Massachusetts constitution of 1780 declared that "all men are born free and equal" and was used by the court a few years after its adoption to legally forbid any person to be held as a slave. And, in 1787, the Northwest Ordinance stated "there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said Territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted." By the year 1788 all the states north of Maryland , except New York and New Jersey, had legislated to extinguish slavery, and by 1804 the remaining two northern states [ N.Y. and N.J.] had put slavery to rest.

    Aside from the above historical facts, we now find our progressives have taken their propaganda to a new level, and are using the government school system and a captive defenseless audience to actually engage children in classroom rituals singing praising to and glorifying a president whose actions now border on acts of sedition, and violate the documented intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was adopted.

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    wow ...

    listen bro , i think you should take your meds right now ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marquis
    wow ...

    listen bro , i think you should take your meds right now ...
    Lucky you, bro, that you don't get paid for thinking!


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk
    Quote Originally Posted by marquis
    wow ...

    listen bro , i think you should take your meds right now ...
    Lucky you, bro, that you don't get paid for thinking!


    JWK

    Time to vote and stop Obama from stripping and looting that car in a ditch.
    right , well if i was the "thinking" sort i don't beleive that i'd be worried about the minute details of how the civil war is taught at your local school ... if you feel so strongly on the subject of slavery and the constution then maybe you should bring that up to your school board .. last i checked the federal government doesn't dicate which history book the entire nation has to go by ...

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    Marquis, this is a legitimate issue that JWK has raised about what Americans are taught about the constitutional history of slavery. I believe and have always believed and don't remember a time when I didn't believe that slavery was always unconstitutional in our little free nation of free people whose government was created by a Constitution which among other things charged the government with the duty to secure the blessings of liberty for the people of the United States, not protect their kidnappers.

    Johnwk is absolutely right about the issue of slavery and the constitution. Slavery was always unconstitutional in the United States from the day the US Constitution was ratified by the states.

    But you're right that so far the federal government doesn't decide which history books we use in our schools, Democrat dominated and controlled teachers unions backed by Democrat Caucuses do.

    The Democratic Party was responsible for the perpetuation of slavery in the United States after the Constitution was ratified. That's why the Republican Party was formed several decades later to defeat their pro-slavery unconstitutional agenda.

    It's healthy for Americans to debate this issue today because it needs to be straightened out both in our schools and history books as well as in the general population. There's no secret about why the Democrats always support illegal immigration and Republicans don't or why Democrats want mandated taxation and Republicans don't. Illegal immigration and mandated taxation are just modern forms of slavery and no one needs medication to see that. They just need to open their eyes.
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    maybe some of you have forgotten our history ..

    slaves didn't count as PEOPLE back then , they were property , hence the 3/5's etc etc ...

    women didn't have the right to vote etc ..

    and yes many of the founding fathers had SLAVES ....

    so no , the founding fathers were not angels ... but then i don't care , they gave us the consitution and we've kept it alive as a living breathing document ..

    if any of you think the education system is out to bring down the nations founding fathers , simply open up your wallet and look at who's face is on it ... we as americans have learned to embrace our history , the good ALONG with the bad .. it's all a part of who we are and who we were ... we were the slaves and we were the slave masters ... we were the indians and we were part of the people who fought against them ..

    we've fought in just wars and we've fought in unjust wars ... from a nation of 13 seprate states opposing the most powerfull nation on earth at the time ( great britian ) to rise up a few hunred years later and become the greatest force humanity has ever known ... that is our history .. our ablity to bring people together and shine the light of freedom across the globe ... that is the gift that our founding fathers gave us and the rest of the free world .. the gift of hope and freedom ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    The Democratic Party was responsible for the perpetuation of slavery in the United States after the Constitution was ratified. That's why the Republican Party was formed several decades later to defeat their pro-slavery unconstitutional agenda.

    It's healthy for Americans to debate this issue today because it needs to be straightened out both in our schools and history books as well as in the general population. There's no secret about why the Democrats always support illegal immigration and Republicans don't or why Democrats want mandated taxation and Republicans don't. Illegal immigration and mandated taxation are just modern forms of slavery and no one needs medication to see that. They just need to open their eyes.
    I actually do not believe that there is any historical precedent for what these 2 parties stand for. While it is true that the early Democratic party supported slavery for the most part, it was started by men like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. And their ideals were much more in favor of democratic principles, common people, farmers etc than their Federalist counter-parts who favored northern industrialists, bankers, elites etc. For those reasons, southerners including slave owners tended to favor the Democratic-Republicans.

    It is definitely true that the Republican Party was started by abolitionists, but many of their principles were driven by turning America away from being an agricultural economy, and into an industrial economy. This is what was largely behind their opposition to slavery as well as holding on to the pro-tariff legacy, both passed down to them by their Federalist predecessors. Both of these things contributed arguably equally to divisions between the North and the South. Republican, Northern industrialist ideals won the day, but the new industrial economy that was forged created a whole new form of slavery. And in fairness, many Democrats of the day fought against these conditions.

    The Republican Party for generations was an isolationist, protectionist party. Today, for the most part, it favors free trade and nation building. The Democrats in the past fought for better working conditions for our workers, and today invites in millions of Third Worlder to tear it all apart. I don't think either of these two parties bear much resemblance to their respective predecessors.
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    Slavery is still alive and well in the U. S. It just goes by another name. Millions in prisons work for twenty-five cents an hour. It's called the prison/industrial complex. Millions of illegals work for practically nothing. That's why the oligarchy wants to keep illegal immigration going. And that's why we are here at this web site. The Democrat-Republican party axis is just an illusion. Both are owned by the oligarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justthatguy
    Slavery is still alive and well in the U. S. .
    See: Still Just Three-Fifths of a Man

    I direct you this article because it summarizes what slavery really is ___ that a [b][i]

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    I am seeing some disrespectful remarks on this thread, play nice or the thread will be locked. The meds remark was uncalled for! Please keep the discussion civil.

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