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Fiorina sings the praises of Islam, Ottoman Empire 'greatest civilization'

August 9, 20153:54 PM MSTt

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Former CEO and Chairwoman of the Board of Hewlett-Packard, Carly Fiorina may still be hearing the fading echoes of the praise heaped upon her by network pundits and GOP party insiders after her being informally declared the winner of the lower-tier Republican candidates debate last Aug. 6, 2015. In the wake of the nationally televised debate, the gushing of television personalities and happily spilled ink from establishment Republican stalwarts certainly gave the impression that Fiorina has become the new darling of the conservative movement.



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However, with a nation still in mourning for the mass slaughter of the 9/11 terrorist attacks that killed thousands, then-CEO Fiorina delivered a speech on Sept. 26, 2001 entitled "Technology, Business and Our Way of Life: What's Next" in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Initially expressing her personal shock and sorrow of the terrorist attack, Fiorina also made clear rather early in her speech of her worries regarding the safety and security of everyone in the Hewlett-Packard family. Fiorina also ensured in the opening breaths of her speech to express her "Concern for the security of our employees who are of Middle Eastern descent or who practice the Muslim religion here in the US and abroad." OK, fair enough.

The remainder of her talk was a rather college classroom-style lecture on corporate leadership. Until the end of her speech, that is. It was then that Fiorina made clear that she rated the Islamic world as "a civilization that was the greatest in the world." As an American who takes freedom of thought and speech quite seriously, Fiorina has every right to say and believe as she sees fit.

If Carly Fiorina so desires to look upon the Islamic world as the greatest civilization in the world, I'll give probably the greatest response I've ever heard (courtesy of the late Andrew Breitbart), "So what?" If that's what she believes, then that's what she believes. Honestly, that's her call. I really don't care.

But I do take exception to her historical tall-tales and obvious swipes at Christendom and European civilization. I'd like to correct her blatantly non-objective and clearly unfair retelling of what was. Or at least give the other side of the story.

With that said, allow me to state her none-too-veiled cheap shots at Christendom are just that... cheap shots. And like all cheap shots, they deserve a counter.

As she said somewhat mysteriously towards the closing paragraphs, "There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world." To whet the appetite and further pique the interest of her audience, she hinted the civilization in question was a "continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins." OK, not really much regarding historical inaccuracies or historical amnesia... yet.

It was then that Fiorina gave the first hint that she just may be stretch the truth thin whist describing this "greatest" civilization she was gushing on about. "Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between."

Hmm... Oh yeah. My appetite is whetted and my interest more than piqued. From there, Fiorina waxed poetically of this certain civilization gave the world "architects [who] designed buildings that defied gravity." No pun intended, but she finally let the genie out of the bottle when she praised those who created algebra.

Once she mentioned the scourge of tenth graders everywhere, I knew who she was talking about. But in all fairness, nothing she's said so far is factually wrong. I may disagree with her ranking Islamic civilization numero uno, but as I previously stated, that's her call. We're all entitled to our own opinion.

But I do take exception to her claiming Muslims were engaged in trade with Latin America. Unless you count Muslim Arabs selling black Africans to white slavers as "trade." Also, her claim that Islam spread to "northern climes"? Carly, the furthest Islam took root was the mountain of Afghanistan and the Caucus Mountains of southern Russia. Hardly "northern climes."

But I digress, at this point she pretty much spoke glowingly about Muslims writing love poems and star gazing. But then she tells the assembled audience that Islam has "paved the way for space travel and exploration." I believe an Italian named Galileo, and a Pole named Copernicus just may disagree.

It was then that the half-truths ans swipes were taken. "When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent." Later in her speech, Fiorina stated "Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership."

Interesting verbiage when she says "its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known."

• Mohammed made it quite clear that Islam was to be spread by the sword. And a blood-soaked spread it was.
• During the time frame Fiorina cited, fully two thirds of Christendom fell to the armies of Mohammed.
• From Mesopotamia to Armenia, Syria to the Holy Land; Egypt to Spain; Turkey to Vienna via the Balkans; Sicily to southern France. All Christian lands where Christians were given the option of convert, pay the exorbitant jizyah tax, or simply lose your head.
• Peace and prosperity are easily maintained in the wake of ethnic and religious cleansing.

Her portrayal of non-Muslims as scared to death of new knowledge is simply laughable.

• It was Christendom that gave us our systems of libraries, hospitals and universities.
• Should I really bring up the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria?
• Has Fiorina really never heard of the destruction of countless repositories of science, art and literature that were safeguarded in Catholic and Orthodox churches, monasteries and convents?

Lastly, we hear of Fiorina's admiration of Suleiman the Magnificent who she described as responsible for "our notions of tolerance and civic leadership."

• Was that the same Suleiman the Magnificent who invaded Europe, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Byzantines, Serbs, Hungarians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Poles, Romanians, Austrians, Croats, Slovaks, Germans, etc, etc?
• I again ask rhetorically, but possibly there's a different Suleiman the Magnificent I'm thinking of (probably not), but is he the same one that invaded East, and in the process slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Persian Shi'a Muslims?

So much for Fiorina's definition of tolerance and leadership. While I'm at it, so much for my support for her involving any elected office.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fior...t-civilization

Excerpt from Speech

CARLY FIORINA MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA SEPTEMBER 26, 2001 "TECHNOLOGY, BUSINESS AND OUR WAY OF LIFE: WHAT'S NEXT" http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/sp...4zpt4PnkTYV6zw

As business leaders, as we are faced with questions of life and death rather than how much our stock is worth, the significance of our business contribution to the world may be increased. And that is a good thing.
I’ll end by telling a story.
There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.
One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.
Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.
While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.
Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.
And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.
This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.
In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.
With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.

This is why I have been praying, "Dear Lord, please send a Republican President. But, please, not a crazy one."

They were able to do these things because---the Africans made real good sex slaves and eunuchs. Mohammed stopped their squabbling amongst themselves ( according to legend) and then they made good on it, subjugating the rest of the continent and also spreading smallpox throughout the known world, which eventually killed about 3/4 of the native Americans, too.

Nice to see Carly or Karly has found new interests besides sending HP jobs to Asia.

Holy Crap! She is crazy.

She forgot Spain. Those barbarians in Spain were taught by the Moors, how to clean their bodies.

I don't like to be "played" by people and while it is technically correct the Carly Fiorina started as a secretary, in the summers - while attending Stanford University.

Fiorina was born on September 6, 1954, in Austin, Texas, the daughter of Madelon Montross (née Juergens) and Joseph Tyree Sneed, III.^[21] At the time of her birth, Fiorina's father was a professor at the University of Texas School of Law.^[22][23][24] He would later become dean of Duke University School of Law, Deputy Attorney General, and judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.^[25] Her mother was an abstract painter.^[26] She is mainly of English andGerman ancestry,^[27][28] and was raised Episcopalian.^[27]
Fiorina attended Channing School in London. She later attended five different high schools, including one in Ghana,^[29] graduating from Charles E. Jordan High School in Durham, North Carolina. At one time she aspired to be a classical pianist.^[30] She received a Bachelor of Arts in philosophy and medieval history atStanford University in 1976. During her summers, she worked as a secretary for Kelly Services.^[31] She attended the UCLA School of Law in 1976 but dropped out^[32] after one semester and worked as a receptionist for six months at a real estate firm Marcus & Millichap, moving up to a broker position before leaving fo rBologna, Italy, where she taught English.^[33]
Fiorina received a Master of Business Administration in marketing from the Robert H. Smith School of Business at the University of Maryland, College Park in 1980. She obtained a Master of Science in management at the MIT Sloan School of Management under the Sloan Fellows program in 1989.^{[34]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Tyree_Sneed,_III}

Immigration[edit]

In California, Fiorina supported the DREAM Act, which would allow children brought to the U.S. by their parents when they were under the age of 16 to secure permanent U.S. residency and a path to citizenship if they graduate from college or serve in the armed forces.^{[221][224][240]}
In a May 2015 interview with Katie Couric, Fiorina said that she does not support a path for citizenship "for those who came here illegally and who have stayed here illegally."^[240] Fiorina drew a distinction between people in that category and those who came legally but overstayed their visas.^[240]

Technology employees[edit]

Fiorina favors expanding the H-1B visa program.^{[263][264][265][266]} Writing in opposition to proposals she considered protectionist in a 2004 Wall Street Journal op-ed, Fiorina said that while "America is the most innovative country," it would not remain so if the country were to "run away from the reality of the global economy."^[267]Fiorina said to Congress in 2004: "There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore. We have to compete for jobs as a nation."^[264] While Fiorina argued that the only way to "protect U.S. high-tech jobs over the long haul was to become more competitive [in the United States]," her comments prompted "strong reactions" from some technology workers who argued that lower wages outside the United States encouraged the offshoring of American jobs.^[268]Fiorina has stressed the need to improve border security before undertaking comprehensive immigration reform.^[224][240]

Read a lot more about Fiorina at the above link.
I didn't realize that she worked on John Mccain's campaign in 2008.

After leaving HP, Fiorina served on the boards of several organizations.^[18] She was an adviser to RepublicanJohn McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.

Nkosi: Oh you must mean the Moors who were waging war and conquering Christian lands across North Africa. You know those areas the Romans once occupied; you know THE ROMANS WITH THEIR GIANT COMMUNITY BATHS! Learn your history pal.

Thanks for your great post Newmexican.

There has been so much rewriting of history to assist the cultural Marxist’s inculcating guilt in the European mind. The Muslims were never nice or tolerant people. Most of their “culture” was simply confiscated booty from the Christians who were there before them.

Here is just a tiny bit more: And then there is slavery. The nearly complete abolition of legal slavery in Africa did not happen until the early 20th century because of Colonization by those "evil" white Europeans.

Historian Robert Davis in his book "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters - White Slavery In the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy",estimates that North African Muslim pirates abducted and enslaved more than 1million Europeans between 1530 and 1780. These white Christians were seized in a series of raids which depopulated coastal towns from Sicily to Cornwall. Thousands of white Christians in coastal areas were seized every year to workas galley slaves, laborers and concubines for Muslim slave masters in what is today Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya. Villages and towns on the coast of Italy, Spain, Portugal and France were the hardest hit, but the Muslim slave raiders also seized people as far afield as Britain, Ireland and Iceland. They even captured 130 American seamen from ships they boarded in the Atlantic between 1785 and 1793.

This is just a tiny part of the “glorious” non Christian, non white history of the world.

Originally Posted by Newmexican

I don't like to be "played" by people and while it is technically correct the Carly Fiorina started as a secretary, in the summers - while attending Stanford University.





Read a lot more about Fiorina at the above link.
I didn't realize that she worked on John Mccain's campaign in 2008.

Yeah, as time moves along, everyone will find out she is quite the story-teller.

Remember the story about "burying a child due to drug addiction" when the candidates were discussing ending the War on Drugs, or at least upholding the rights of states to end the War on Marijuana?

Now one would think that this means they buried a child who died from too much marijuana or Meth or Heroin or something like that right?

Well, first of all, the child is not Carly's, but her husband's. The child was no longer a child but a 35 year old adult living 3,000 miles away from Carly and her husband. She didn't use recreational drugs, she drank, took prescription pills and suffered from bulimia.

Oh, she's playing everyone alright. She's an English major, a fiction writer, and that's very dangerous in the political business.

Oh, and Carly didn't raise Frank's daughters, their mother did, Frank's ex-wife who had legal custody of her daughters after the divorce.

Oh, and Carly didn't bury her either. Lori Ann who lived in Manassas, VA, not New Jersey, was buried in Pittsburgh, I guess where her mother lived who I'm sure made the arrangements.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pos...&pid=134421648

Must Read This One:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-mom-says.html