Thread: Polls: Trump Still Leads in IA and NH, But Loses Ground

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Polls: Trump Still Leads in IA and NH, But Loses Ground

by Mark Murray

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Donald Trump remains ahead in the early Republican nominating contests of Iowa and New Hampshire, but his lead has shrunk from a month ago, according to brand-new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls of these two states.

The polls were conducted Sept. 23-30 - so after the second Republican presidential debate, as well as after Scott Walker's withdrawal from the GOP field.

In New Hampshire, Trump now holds a five-point advantage over Carly Fiorina among GOP primary voters, 21 percent to 16 percent - followed by Jeb Bush in third at 11 percent, and Marco Rubio and Ben Carson tied at 10 percent each.

But a month ago, Trump's lead over the nearest competition in the Granite State (John Kasich) was 16 points, 28 percent to 12 percent.

And in Iowa, Trump is ahead of Carson by five points among potential GOP caucus-goers, 24 percent to 19 percent - with Fiorina in third at 8 percent, Bush at 7 percent, and Ted Cruz, Rubio and Bobby Jindal tied at 6 percent.

A month ago, Trump's lead over Carson in Iowa was seven points in the same poll, 29 percent to 22 percent.

Meanwhile, in the Democratic race, Hillary Clinton maintains her lead in Iowa, and Bernie Sanders is still ahead in New Hampshire.

In Iowa, she gets support from 47 percent of Iowa caucus-goers, while Sanders gets 36 percent and Martin O'Malley gets 4 percent.

That's essentially unchanged from a month ago, when the poll showed Clinton ahead of Sanders by an identical 11 points, 48 percent to 37 percent.

But Clinton's lead shrinks to five points when Vice President Joe Biden is added to the field - Clinton at 33 percent, Sanders at 28 percent and Biden at 22 percent.

And in New Hampshire, Sanders leads Clinton by nine points, 48 percent to 39 percent. That's essentially unchanged from a month ago, when Sanders was ahead 49 percent to 38 percent.

Yet once again, Clinton loses ground when Biden is added to the contest - Sanders sits at 42 percent, Clinton at 28 percent and Biden at 18 percent.

The NBC/WSJ/Marist polls were conducted Sept. 23-30. In Iowa, 431 potential GOP caucus-goers were interviewed (margin of error plus-minus 4.7 percentage points), as well as 348 Democratic caucus-goers (plus-minus 5.3 percentage points. In New Hampshire, 450 potential GOP primary voters were interviewed (margin of error plus-minus 4.6 percentage points), as well as 404 Democratic voters (plus-minus 4.)

judy
how do the new's know the number ? they lie

Why would Carly Fiorina be second in New Hampshire with 16% of the vote?

Is it because she lied in the debate about a doctored and phony video about Planned Parenthood and an aborted fetus that wasn't an aborted fetus, but a video of a stillborn from a miscarriage from a hospital, and misrepresented as a live aborted fetus at a Planned Parenthood clinic awaiting parts harvesting? BINGO!

There's nothing any worse than costing America our ONE SHOT to be great again with some Republicans voting for candidates because of opinions based on religion, lies, fraud and/or false debate rhetoric over a girl or woman's natural, God-given, legal, constitutional right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

And why is Carson polling at 19% in Iowa? This is unbelievable. Carson is a nice guy with a few good points, but he's pro-illegal alien, doesn't want to deport illegal aliens, wants to give them guest worker permits which is amnesty.

Fiorina supports free trade treason and the Dream ACT.

Carson supports illegal immigration.

Why are these two candidates still in the race, let alone in the number 2 spots in New Hampshire and Iowa?!

I think either the polls are rigged or around 20% of those polled are voting their religious beliefs instead of what's best for our country and citizens. If this is the case, this is a dangerous development in our political system.

Do Republicans know that in all the glory that Ben Carson claims for himself for the conjoined twins surgery, that there was a team of 70 surgeons involved in that surgery? That's right. There were 69 other surgeons and medical professionals involved in that surgery. What are their names? Where is their movie? Isn't it strange that not once does he ever mention them? He never mentions them. No one ever mentions them.

This is not to take anything away from Carson and his medical achievements, it's just a question about his "me, me" and why Republicans are so enamored with Carson when he supports illegal immigration with guest worker amnesty for illegal aliens, who doesn't think removing illegal aliens is "practical", who wants to tax poor people 10% of their gross income (tithe based on the Bible) plus Social Security payroll tax which together is almost 18%, when they can't afford to pay their utility bill, put food on the table or keep a car going to get to work?

The reason he gives is "pride" to have "skin in the game". Honestly? Most of these people are on food stamps (pride?), free school lunch (skin in the game?), Medicaid, WIC, TANF and on and on and on. And they STILL can't make ends meet because of the lack of jobs and low wage problem.

Anyone who feels that paying income tax is a "pride" issue, needs their head examined. Income tax was forbidden by our Constitution which was amended by Globalist DemoQuacks in 1913 against vehement Republican opposition to cover the revenue losses created by passing their free trade movement to reduce tariffs, increase imports and cost Americans their jobs.

There is no "pride" whatsoever in paying income taxes, only disgust that Globalist DemoQuacks would burden our nation with such a Constitutional sin as an authoritarian, mandated, socialist Marxist notion derived from the feudal lord system would ever become the bedrock of how we fund the largest government of the free world.

Paying income taxes isn't having "skin in the game", it's having your blood sucked out of you by a treasonous government that sold its soul 102 years ago to the Devils of Free Trade Treason.

My advice to all Republicans is to do some homework and acquaint yourselves with the reason we have a Republican Party, because it looks like, sounds like, walks like we're in a generation that never knew what the Republican Party stands for or why it exists, which is why we have polls that rank Carson and Fiorina number 2 in Iowa and New Hampshire when they neither one should even be in the race.

And yes, Donald Trump is supporting the income tax, tweaking it instead of throwing it out and replacing it with the FairTax. And more us need to call his campaign headquarters and explain why we think that is wrong. But at least this good and decent man knows that if you stay with an income tax, you can not and should not try to force blood out of a turnip.

Originally Posted by Judy

I think either the polls are rigged or around 20% of those polled are voting their religious beliefs instead of what's best for our country and citizens. If this is the case, this is a dangerous development in our political system.

People have been voting their religious beliefs for years because they believe that those things ARE what's best for our nation. Many believe that God has removed His blessing from America because we allow our most helpless to be yanked from the womb and killed. Just because you separate abortion from religion doesn't mean that's the only "right" way to look at the issue. I generally avoid the issue of abortion here because I know that it is divisive, but we must be realistic about how most conservatives view it, and complaining that these people shouldn't allow their religion to dictate their vote is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by imblest

People have been voting their religious beliefs for years because they believe that those things ARE what's best for our nation. Many believe that God has removed His blessing from America because we allow our most helpless to be yanked from the womb and killed. Just because you separate abortion from religion doesn't mean that's the only "right" way to look at the issue. I generally avoid the issue of abortion here because I know that it is divisive, but we must be realistic about how most conservatives view it, and complaining that these people shouldn't allow their religion to dictate their vote is a waste of time.

Anyone can look at the issue however they want. For those who don't believe in abortion, don't have one. But to claim they're "conservatives" and doing God' will to want to force girls and women into childbirth against their will, is just stupid, and to distort elections and the safety and security of our nation over it, is beyond the pale.

It doesn't matter what someone's personal belief is, or what their religion is, what matters is that they have no respect for common sense, intelligence, and loyalty to our country, which means standing up for the civil rights of our citizens, including girls and women. The barbarism their view supports, the notion that a pregnant girl or women should be forced into a full pregnancy and childbirth against her will is not only disgusting, it's against God's Will.

A fetus is not "our" anything if the girl or woman wants to terminate it. What is our "our" responsibility is the citizen girl or woman and her rights that are to be protected by US, not an unwanted fetus.

Well, anyway, judging from these polls, it really looks like our huge effort will be deterred by a bunch of religionists who can't separate their personal religious views from what's best for our country.

What a frigging tragedy. Republicans are already the minority, so to be part of splitting what small majority we can muster over a girl or woman's right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy will go down in world history as the greatest tragedy of humankind. If Trump doesn't win the primary because of this issue, then Republicans won't win the White House. There's not another R candidate that ALIPAC can even endorse. There's not another R candidate that I'll vote for. So there you have it. The reason our Founding Fathers required that church and state be separate.

At least I can rest easy with the knowledge that "I told you so."

I'm very upset!

Originally Posted by imblest

People have been voting their religious beliefs for years because they believe that those things ARE what's best for our nation. Many believe that God has removed His blessing from America because we allow our most helpless to be yanked from the womb and killed. Just because you separate abortion from religion doesn't mean that's the only "right" way to look at the issue. I generally avoid the issue of abortion here because I know that it is divisive, but we must be realistic about how most conservatives view it, and complaining that these people shouldn't allow their religion to dictate their vote is a waste of time.

I am familiar with the Christians who think abortion is the end all and be all of politics. This is so self defeating. If illegal aliens get to stay indefinitely it is only a matter of how soon the Democrats, the corrupt Marxists "judges" the ACLU gives them full citizenship, that they will not have done a thing to earn, and become voters. From that time until forever there will be a hard core mindless Democrat voting block that will sweep away every conservative politician, every conservative issue at the voting booth in every election. And there will be unlimited and publically financed abortion forever. The bedrock to every other political issue is to stop the illegal alien invasion. If the invasion is not ended soon and the invaders driven out-- save your breadth, money and energy because it won't matter. There will be abortion and every thing else the fanatic Marxists want and then they will come to close down their churches because Marxists believe that religion is like a drug ("the opiate of the masses" Karl Marx) and an obstacle to achieving their delusional perfect society.

I understand what you are saying imblest but somebody has got to stop their suicide blindness. Jesus is not going to come down on a white cloud and save them because are religious. He didn't come down and save the Jews in Germany or the Kulaks massacred by Stalin or the Christians in north Africa today. You can bet they all prayed mightily and got no help divine help. The Muslims are hard core against abortion and homosexuality and many also chop off the heads of Christians and rape their women.

Those who think that if they pray hard enough it will fix every problem are why I stopped being a Lutheran and became my own kind of Deist.

If Christians really want to stop abortions then they really need to fight like hell to end the invasion of ignorant mindless soon to be Democrats.

I have heard the fairy tales about how religious illegal Hispanics are supposed to be, but many are hypocrites like other people. They go to church and do confession and then go out and sell drugs, force women into prostitution, murder, rape etc. Then they go back to confession.

Crime in neighborhoods full of illegal aliens is through the roof, that could not be possible in a community that was seriously devoted to Christianity and family values.

Your are a good person imblest but somebody has got to make many Christians to understand that if they opposed abortion they must be uncompromising against illegal immigration also, the two are linked together with an iron chain.

Originally Posted by csarbww

I am familiar with the Christians who think abortion is the end all and be all of politics. This is so naïve. If illegal aliens get to stay indefinitely it is only a matter of how soon the Democrats, the corrupt Marxists "judges" the ACLU gives the full citizenship, that they will not have done a thing to earn, and become voters. From that time until forever there will be a hard core mindless Democrat voting block that will sweep away every conservative politician, every conservative issue at the voting booth in every election. And there will be unlimited and publically financed abortion forever. The bedrock to every other political issue is to stop the illegal alien invasion. If the invasion is not ended soon and the invaders driven out-- save your breadth, money and energy because it won't matter. There will be abortion and every thing else the fanatic Marxists want and then they will come to close down their religion because Marxists believe that religion is a mental disorder and not good for society.

No, it will be worse than that. The illegal aliens moving in hate women, see them as sex and breeding vessels all based on their religion, so there won't be abortion rights, because there won't be any rights. You think free speech, freedom of your own religion, gun rights, civil rights, equal rights, workers rights, women's rights, child rights, any of this will matter? No, the only thing that will matter is the religion, the version of whoever is in power, the very situation our Founding Fathers tried to protect us against, but apparently someone didn't do their history lessons and instead spent their time reading something else, or nothing at all.

Originally Posted by Judy

And why is Carson polling at 19% in Iowa? This is unbelievable. Carson is a nice guy with a few good points, but he's pro-illegal alien, doesn't want to deport illegal aliens, wants to give them guest worker permits which is amnesty.

Fiorina supports free trade treason and the Dream ACT.

Carson supports illegal immigration.

Why are these two candidates still in the race, let alone in the number 2 spots in New Hampshire and Iowa?!

Because many people are single issue voters. Abortion is their litmus test issue because they believe killing babies is morally wrong and that God will not be happy with them at the judgement if they ignore this issue.