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    The Reason to Believe Donald Trump Will Lose

    The Reason to Believe Donald Trump Will Lose

    James Richardson @JamesRichardson

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    Trump supporters are not typical voters—Indeed, many of them are not voters at all

    The aggregate emotional state of establishment Republicans, bleary-eyed from half a year of businessman Donald Trump defying all expectations to drown the most diverse presidential primary slate in a generation in schoolyard invective, has collapsed to such depths that they seem resolved to remain knee-walking drunk through the November election.

    The arguments on which they alternatively hung their hopes—that Trump’s candidacy was an ephemeral flirtation, like those of Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann before him; that the controversies he studiously courted would undo him; that primary voters would eventually sober enough to recognize him as too unserious to wield the nation’s nuclear arsenal—fell to orbit as quickly as they were launched.

    Nothing could liberate them from him—not even the dreaded flip-flop designation. Consider: Trump once advocated a federal tax regime that would leave blushing even Sen. Bernie Sanders, an avowed Democratic socialist and a would-be general election rival; supported the right to abortion; and preached the virtues of single-payer healthcare. In a rational universe that obeyed the laws of political physics, these plainly antithetical positions, which the candidate has since abandoned, would have poisoned any national Republican candidacy in the last four decades.

    And yet his supporters remain doggedly unmoved.

    The many forecasts of Trump’s demise miscarried not because they were too sanguine—they were—but because they were undergirded by a conventional (one might even say rational) view of campaigns and candidates, believing that his support would evaporate before ballots were cast.

    That’s the problem: Because Trump is no conventional candidate, his supporters are likewise not typical voters. Indeed, many of them are likely not voters at all.

    In first-to-decide Iowa, where an intimidating system of caucusing carries an inherently high threshold for participation that culls the frenzied and lazy alike, that spells trouble for any candidate who lacks a robust field operation.

    Donald Trump will likely lose this race not for the utterly rational reasons his establishment detractors have popularized but instead for the same principle from which he’s drawing life now: the reality television effect.

    Like the American Idol viewer who speed-dials the program to profess undying love for this season’s big gun but fails to purchase the winning artist’s debut album, Trump may similarly find his ballot returns are far less rosy than surveys indicate today.

    Trump supporters are at best only nominally tethered to the political process. According to those pollsters shrewd enough to ask, few have voted in a general election and fewer still have participated in nomination contests.

    The election day toll of this dynamic is already evident in those surveys with respondent controls that screen out all previous non-voters or those who have self-identified as very like to vote this year.

    In polls that measure sentiment simply of registered Republicans, Mr. Trump leads the field in most national and state surveys, like Quinnipiac University’s snapshot of Iowa last month. But in those surveys with stricter respondent screens, like those employed by the Des Moines Register, which weeded out respondents who had not previously caucused, Trump trails by double digits.

    Finally, a real reason to believe Trump will fail.

    Anecdotally, there’s ample reason to believe that the conversion from casual, if loud, supporter to active voter is a gulf that the Trump organization isn’t equipped to bridge. That means a Trump supporter on Jan. 1 will not necessarily translate into a Trump caucus-goer on Feb. 1.

    There’s a reason that fewer than six in 10 eligible Americans cast ballots in general elections and even fewer engage in the primary process: we’re lazy. Sure, establishment Republicans might not be able to rely on voters to sober up before the first ballots are cast next month in Iowa and New Hampshire, but they can take to the bank Americans’ unequaled laziness.

    James Richardson is a former spokesman and advisor for the Republican National Committee and Governors Haley Barbour and Jon Huntsman.

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    Oh, I think you're going to be surprised by the unlaziness of Trump supporters. I hope so anyway!!

    Trump Supporters! If you're not already registered Republican, register as soon as possible and do everything you can to get to the Iowa Caucus on Feb 1 and the New Hampshire Primary on February 9. We need victories in these two early states to prove all these naysayers wrong about Trump, wrong about us as Trump Supporters, and wrong about our country.

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    I think this sums it nicely. This is an email that I received.

    You ask why people are supporting Trump
    This is not an endorsment, but mearly an interesting analogy.

    You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement. You want them gone immediately so you hire a guy. A pro. You don't care if the guy smells, you need those raccoons gone pronto and he's the guy to do it! You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care if he's an alcoholic, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he voted for Obama, you don't care if he has plumber's crack...you simply want those raccoons gone! You want your problem fixed! He's the guy. He's the best. Period.

    That's why Trump. Yes he's a bit of an ass, yes he's an egomaniac, but you don't care. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republican Party is two-faced & gutless, illegal's are everywhere. You want it all fixed! You don't care that Trump is crude, you don't care that he insults people, you don't care that he had been friendly with Hillary, you don't care that he has changed positions, you don't care that he's been married 3 times, you don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, you don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslin terrorist,...this country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal's, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hamid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in; “AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED” and Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want. You're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, Republican Party, and sick of illegal's. You just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but doesn’t have lobbyist money holding him, he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him, all you know is that he has been very successful, a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also not a politician, he's not a cowardly politician. And he says he'll fix it.

    You don't care if the guy has bad hair.

    You just want those raccoons gone.

    Out of your house.


    Now.


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    Trump supporters are not typical voters—Indeed, many of them are not voters at all.
    In all fairness the same thing could be said for many of the black voters that showed up to vote for Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    In all fairness the same thing could be said for many of the black voters that showed up to vote for Obama.
    My friend in Nevada saw hundreds from California lined up at the polls in Las Vegas. They would vote and then get in their cars that had California tags. I think in addition to poll watchers, they will have parking lot watchers this time.
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    Newmexican wrote:

    I think this sums it nicely. This is an email that I received.



    You ask why people are supporting Trump
    This is not an endorsment, but mearly an interesting analogy.

    You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement. You want them gone immediately so you hire a guy. A pro. You don't care if the guy smells, you need those raccoons gone pronto and he's the guy to do it! You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care if he's an alcoholic, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he voted for Obama, you don't care if he has plumber's crack...you simply want those raccoons gone! You want your problem fixed! He's the guy. He's the best. Period.

    That's why Trump. Yes he's a bit of an ass, yes he's an egomaniac, but you don't care. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republican Party is two-faced & gutless, illegal's are everywhere. You want it all fixed! You don't care that Trump is crude, you don't care that he insults people, you don't care that he had been friendly with Hillary, you don't care that he has changed positions, you don't care that he's been married 3 times, you don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, you don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslin terrorist,...this country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal's, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hamid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in; “AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED” and Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want. You're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, Republican Party, and sick of illegal's. You just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but doesn’t have lobbyist money holding him, he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him, all you know is that he has been very successful, a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also not a politician, he's not a cowardly politician. And he says he'll fix it.

    You don't care if the guy has bad hair.

    You just want those raccoons gone.

    Out of your house.


    Now.



    I don't know. I can handle a lot of thing toward the achievement of a goal, but a Trump "plumbers crack" would be testing my limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    I don't know. I can handle a lot of thing toward the achievement of a goal, but a Trump "plumbers crack" would be testing my limits.
    A bit of levity now and again...
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