Thread: Rewriting the Constitution Goal of Latino Congreso

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DOBBS: The National Latino Congress is meeting this week in Los Angeles to advance its agenda which includes open borders and illegal alien amnesty. It has also chosen to criticize this broadcast and me for reporting on illegal immigration issues and the way in which we do so.

The group says, quote, "Lou Dobbs and CNN engage in untruthful propaganda and vilification to incite fears, hostility and violence directed at immigrants." The Latino Congress makes no distinction between this broadcast's strong support for legal immigration and our strong stand against illegal immigration.

Joining me tonight, three of the leaders of the National Latino Congress and participants, Angela Sanbrano, the president of the National Alliance of Latin American and Caribbean Communities, and John Trasvina, the president and general counsel for the MALDEF, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund; and Milton Rosado, the president of the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement.

First, thank you all for joining us here. Why don't we get straight to it? And let me start, if I may, with the issue that we are somehow being propagandists here. How would you like to take it? Any one of you respond? I mean, I'd like to know specifically how I'm anti-immigrant. I understand how I'm anti-illegal immigration, but help me out.

JOHN TRASVINA, PRES. & GEN. COUNSEL, MALDEF: Lou, the Latino Congress is not all about you, I have to say.

DOBBS: Well, we'll get to the rest of it.

TRASVINA: Well, we've come to Los Angeles, the capital of Latino Americans to talk about issues that Congress is not facing: immigration, education. In terms of the issue dealing with your show, you have to understand that you do vilify and demean immigrants. And you do that in ways when you talk about chain migration, that's both attacking legal -- that's attacking legal immigration. DOBBS: For the benefit ...
TRASVINA: Family unification is our major cornerstone of the immigration policy, yet you demean those people who are waiting in line legally, trying to bring in their brothers and sisters as one example. Angela has some other examples.

DOBBS: OK, Angela, fire at will.

ANGELA SANBRANO, PRES., NALACC: Well, Lou, when you make statements like Mexicans are an army of invaders, you know, frankly ...

DOBBS: By the way I never made that statement.

SANBRANO: Mexicans are an army of invaders -- we have a quote to that effect, and when, you know, that generates, that opens up a green light for attacks on our community. And that is irresponsible, because we're trying to build unity in our community and unity among the rest of the country.

DOBBS: I'm all for unity, too, Angela. And let me say it again. I have never uttered the words that you have just said. I have never said that. Ever. And you said, to that effect.

What I have said is that Mexico is an irresponsible government who is keeping its people in poverty, who maintains an elitist class running its country, who is denying opportunity to its people and using the United States as a safety valve for the impoverished, uneducated and those who desperately need a better life. I have said that and I will say it again.

TRASVINA: You use those people as a pincushion for your own purposes, Lou, and that's the problem.

DOBBS: Sorry?

TRASVINA: You've used those people as a pincushion for your own purposes.

DOBBS: No, sir, I'm not using those people as a pincushion. If I'm doing anything, I'm highlighting the fact that the government of Vicente Fox and his party, the PAN, and the previous administration, the PRI, have absolutely stifled the aspirations of the Mexican people, half of them living in poverty and you have the temerity to talk about propagandists?

The fact of the matter is, this administration, this Congress, and the previous administration have refused to secure our borders, to control immigration into this country. Those are issues for all Americans, whether you're Hispanic, or white, or black, Asian.

TRASVINA: And those are the issues that we can't get to because of the rhetoric of your show and of others.

DOBBS: And what is the rhetoric here? TRASVINA: We have bipartisanship breaking out in the U.S. Senate this year, bipartisanship on comprehensive immigration reform. What was the response by the House leaders? To do nothing, have these show hearings for the summer, nothing getting done. Now with three weeks left out, they're going to talk about security.

What we're talking about here in Los Angeles is coming together on long-term issues dealing with those other countries -- not just Mexico, but a lot of ascending countries. Immigration is a worldwide phenomenon, and we need to deal seriously with those subjects, not to vilify people and to demean immigrants is not the way to solve the problems, Lou.

DOBBS: I couldn't agree with you more. Milton Rosado, let's get you into this.

MILTON ROSADO, PRES., LCLAA: Well, there's so much exploitation of workers in this country, documented or undocumented. And we believe that no matter what you do, there's a perception out there, a continual perception, that people look at all of us and things that you have said that you claim you haven't said and things that are out there ...

DOBBS: I just pointed out one sentence that Angela stated. It's not something I've ever said. I may have ...

ROSADO: You continue to say Mexicans. I mean, this is ...

DOBBS: I refer to Mexicans, yes.

ROSADO: Immigration isn't just about Mexicans.

DOBBS: Who is -- no, it certainly is not. And you said immigration. We're talking about illegal immigration and the preponderance of illegal immigrants entering this country are from Mexico, are they not?

TRASVINA: And you also say 20 illegal immigrants, when no estimate is accurate. You have no basis to say 20 million. Most say 11 million.

DOBBS: The Bear Stearns study -- excuse -- oh, please.

TRASVINA: Not 20 million, Lou.

DOBBS: By the way, have you read the Bear Stearns study?

TRASVINA: I've read a number of studies.

DOBBS: Well, you said that I didn't have a basis for it, and I'm telling you the basis. The Bear Stearns study puts the estimate as high as 20 million. On this broadcast we use numbers 12 to 20. And I think you would agree with me one of the great shames in the country.

TRASVINA: Right, that's a wide range. You're alone in that. Congress talks about 11 or 12 million. GAO does the same thing. The point is that we can have a discussion, the nation needs a conversation on immigration. You are an obstacle to that.

DOBBS: I'm an obstacle? To what?

TRASVINA: You're an obstacle to a full and fair conversation on immigration.

DOBBS: We're not talking about immigration. We're talking about illegal immigration. Why do you continue to confound the distinction? Why is it so important to you to obfuscate the difference.

TRASVINA: You do that when you talk about chain migration. You do that when you talk about anchor babies. United States citizens, under the Constitution, that's where you blur the lines. And that's the problem, Lou.

SANBRANO: Lou, also ...

DOBBS: I blur the line. What have I ever said about anchor babies?

TRASVINA: You have said that they do not have -- they do not have rights, they should not have rights that they do have under the Constitution under the 14th Amendment.

DOBBS: Oh, absolutely I have not said that at all. I have not said that at all. I would never deny -- this broadcast and I, sir, are absolutely committed to the rights of every American citizen including, including, anchor babies. This broadcast and I are also committed and this broadcast and I are also committed to the truth.

And what I'm asking you do is to consider one thing that I have said. I have said that you cannot reform immigration law unless we can control immigration. And we cannot control immigration unless we secure our borders. And if you can defeat syllogism, that reasoning, I will be glad to listen to you. What I don't understand is why you don't embrace the idea of securing our borders.

TRASVINA: That's part of comprehensive immigration reform. We don't have enough time to talk about all of your inaccuracies, whether it's the 11 million and the 20 million. We are talking about a positive agenda on immigration that serves not just the Latino community, but serves all Americans. Every business, every family, every community, depends upon immigration.

We are growing economy, we need workers beyond just U.S. workers. We need a way to get to that solution. It's going to be done through conversation. It's not going to get done through, frankly, the cable- type of operation where people are just yelling at each other. We need the conversation. Congress should have acted this year. They didn't do that. Latino Congreso is acting here Los Angeles.

SANBRANO: And the policy -- we need a policy ...

DOBBS: Angela, you get the last word.

SANBRANO: Yes, we need a policy that unites our families, that unites the American people because at the end of the day, what we're trying to do is to build the well-being of the Latinos, the immigrants, and Americans. And our immigration laws are broken. They need to be fixed and a border-only security policy is not the right policy.

We need comprehensive immigration reform and we need it now. And it is a shame that Congress is leaving this session of Congress without dealing with an issue that is very close to our hearts and that we must deal with it. So to the extent that you contribute to a possible debate I welcome the debate.

TRASVINA: And we appreciate you having us on.

DOBBS: Well, we thank you for being here, and this is, obviously, a difficult issue, a lot of interests colliding. But I assure you, I hope that if there is a point at which we can join in this country, it is the national interest and the well-being of American citizens and a rational immigration policy, which in my view, should begin with, of course, border security.

Angela Sanbrano, John Trasvina, we thank you very much. Milton Rosado, we thank the three of you. We wish you all the best over the next few days at your conference. Thank you.

TRASVINA: Thank you.

ROSADO: Thank you.

SANBRANO: Thank you.

DOBBS: Just ahead, we'll have more of your thoughts on whether you believe your children will have a better standard of living than you.

And a wave of deadly violence ripping through Iraq today, killing more of our troops and dozens of Iraqi civilians. General David Grange joins me to assess whether this is civil war, whether this is a reasonable strategy through which we can achieve victory. Stay with us.

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Lou wus brilliant last night. We are so lucky to have a guy
like him hanging it all out there. I cannot believe someone
in the corp news world hasn't shut him down.

I won't be buying from some these that I have in the past either.

I will be asking others to do the same.

Traitors!

http://www.latinocongreso.org/

1) The latino will speak Spanish to a friend even if it means isolating an English speaking friend in a conversation among freinds. I have seen this a million times. They either don't care who they offend or they are extremely intellectually challenged. I now AVOID latinos as a whole.

2) The latino business man does not pay any attention to our EOE laws. They hire only hispanics while looking down on English, especially Blacks. I walked into a hispanic barber shop and I asked if any of the barbers spoke English. "No Engle" was what I heard. They don't want to serve English, only Spanish. They do not want our business, which is the impression that I got.

3) The latino congressmen and women do not promote legislation if it is not about promoting the hispanics. They will vote on non-hispanic issues, but will not promote issues good for all Americans.. only hispanic issues.

Most latinos now entering the US and some that have been here a while are biased, racist and ignorant to their own attitudes towards other cultures. There are latins that have been here for 20 years and still ignore the need for learning English. For the last 30 years, we have been conditioned to believe that we should be sensitive to other cultures (PC), but the hispanics coming into the US were never exposed to this.

The hispanic culture is being shoved down our throats by our own leaders, who for the most part, don't care. All they care about is the formation of the NAU and so the latin contiues to get away with breaking our laws because our leader's agenda does not involve enforcement of those laws. Read my signature. They would all have us burn the American flag and learn Spanish.

The Heinz Family Foundation

She could have the First Lady!!!!!!

The hispanic culture is being shoved down our throats by our own leaders

And our childrens throats unfortunatly.

Think we could boycott all the above?

I also will boycott these companies. I have a friend who has worked for GM for many years and she's always saying we should buy American made autos. I'll have to tell her that GM's support for such groups is not helping to attract American buyers!

The latino congressmen and women do not promote legislation if it is not about promoting the hispanics.

I think this is one of the most revealing aspects of their agenda.....total self focus and the he$$ with anyone else.

Problem is Kate ,Ford is doing something worse. They are moving a lot of production to Mexico with a net loss of 9,000 American jobs. I hope they at least pay the people there enough to keep them at home.
I'm not sure that Chrysler is still an American company and even if it is I don't think there is a Chrysler I'd want to buy.

This car buying issue is one I've struggled with for awhile. I want to support American car manufacturers and have always purchased American made cars. But, then I was told that there are so-called "American" cars whose parts are manufactured in foreign countries and "foreign" cars whose plants are here in the US and employ Americans! So, what do you do?

I guess the best thing is to buy a foreign car made here. At least their offshoring is helping Americans.

I'm really bothered that the rhetoric used by the idiot interviewed by Dobbs actually makes sense to so many people. It seems like logic and truth are irrelevant in the face of sound bites repeated over and over again.
I'm beginning to believe the old saw that no body ever went broke underestimating the American public.