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    RIDDLE ME THIS, BATMAN

    If, as I have been told, there was once a burgeoning Black population in Mexico, and there is a 1% figure associated with these same blacks now, WHERE DID THEY GO????. They are not crossing the border. They are proabably held down by a system worse than Jim Crow, and not even allowed to leave the country.

    If the old Mex were black and made monuments to African looking men and women, why are they not represented in the vermin that just now crossed our border for the 12,012th time today?

    I have a theory. The once large number of black mexicans have gone the way of the Jews in Nazi Germany. There are box cars of them being taken away to the Mexican Aushwitz. No, I am not KIDDING. Think about it. In 1938-44, the world "supposedly" did not know what was happening to the Jews in Germany. Before he died, Pope Paul issued a church apology for knowing what was happening to the Jews but doing nothing. He meet with represenatives of Israel to deliver this "apology". The Catholic Church recieved some of the stolen property taken from the Jews in Germany. Now, they are very involved with the movement to make the illegal alien scum "comfortable" in OUR nation. They provide relief packages and aid in other ways to our enemies. These vermin are catholic in Mexico. The catholic church owes billions of dollars to little boys that are now men that were RAPED, FONDLED, AND OTHERWISE ABUSED by these "fathers" in the various places where there diocess are located around this nation. If it happended in America, are you naive enough to believe it has not happended any and every where there has ever been a priest, including the South Pole. And I guess you think they would say something about the systematic genocide of the blacks in Mexico out of the goodness of their "hearts". There are more than SIXX ways to skin a cat, but first you have to have a CAT. Go ahead and fill those cofers so you can pay these settlements, legal fees, and pay Madison Avenue to work on your P.R. You were complicit in the murders of MILLIONS of Jewish people: Men, Women, and CHILDREN. And I am going to prove that you are complicit in the depoupulation of Mexico of it's black citizens.
    When I do, the WORLD will find out. Go ahead and have this post pulled. You can't have the TRUTH pulled. If I can't post it here, I will write it for Newsweek, Time, Ebony, Black Enterprise, The Dallas Observer, The Houston Post (who already has a trap set for you). When I find the FACTS, they will be PUBLISHED. We know there was a pimp, I mean pope, when black Africans were being sold into slavery. Where is MY apology? Dispute THAT!!!

    Let's see: receiving stolen property, obstruction of JUSTICE, CONSPIRACY, MISPRISON, sedition, willfully undermining the laws of this nation and every other nation on EARTH, child abuse, sodomy, money laundering, aiding and abetting CRIMINAL activity, TREASON, conspiracy to hide pedophiles by moving them from city to city, subversion of international law, wire fraud, AND ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD. That last one will get you life-in HELL
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    Ronald E. Modras. The Catholic Church and Antisemitism: Poland, 1933-1939. Chur, Switzerland: Harwood Academic Publishers, 1994. xvi + 429 pp. Notes and index. $48.00 (cloth), ISBN 3-7186-5568-3.

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    Reviewed by Neal Pease, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.
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    The Catholic Church and Antisemitism in Interwar Poland

    This is a useful and stimulating contribution to scholarly discussion of one of the more controversial topics of modern Central European history: the extent and significance of antisemitism in Poland in the years preceding the Second World War, and the particular role of that country's Roman Catholic Church in shaping the attitudes of its Polish flock toward the substantial Jewish minority that dwelt in its midst.

    Much is at stake here. The "Jewish question" plays a role in the histories of all lands of Central Europe, of course, but it gained particular intensity in the Polish lands, where Jews comprised one-tenth of the population and played a key role in economic and cultural life. Furthermore, the matter of Polish attitudes toward Jews became something of a litmus test in the vigorous discussions over jaka Polska?--"what sort of Poland?"--that accompanied the rise of Polish nationalism, pitting the vision of a modern reincarnation of the cosmopolitan and latitudinarian Respublica of old against a more restrictively defined homeland for Poles and Poles alone. Far more than any other issue, the charge of incorrigible antisemitism casts a shadow over the historical reputation of Poland and its culture and gives rise to the widespread belief that the Poles were at least spiritually complicit in the Holocaust that later took place on their soil. Through the years, this debate has been notorious for generating more heat than light, marked by recrimination, defensiveness, and liberal use of ad hominem argumentation. Despite a notable and welcome recent improvement in the level and tone of discourse, this remains a field in need of basic research and fair judgment, and only the brave are advised to enter.

    This monograph by Ronald Modras helps that process along by providing, for the first time, an extended examination in English of the Polish Church and antisemitism in the interwar decades. For the most part, commentary on Catholicism and the "Jewish question" during the era of the independent Second Republic has tended to fall into two polarized camps, either attacking the Church as a blinkered, bigoted institution that actively fostered hatred of Jews, or defending it after a fashion as a moderating influence in an atmosphere of inflamed ethno-religious passions, constrained by Christian doctrine and scruples to reject the violence and racist extremism of the hard-core antisemitic right. Based on a survey of the Polish Catholic press of the day, Modras's study sidesteps these conventional pigeonholes and offers a balanced and thoughtful approach, presenting evidence and argumentation that challenges scholars to take a fresh, broader look at the subject.

    His thesis, in sum, begins with the categorical statement that, yes, the Polish Church must be held largely responsible for encouraging, legitimating, or rationalizing hostility toward Jews during the runup to World War II, that "the Catholic clergy...were not innocent bystanders or passive observers of the wave of antisemitism that encompassed Poland in the latter half of the 1930s" (p. 396). He bases this conclusion on a persuasive mass of documentation drawn from Catholic newspapers and periodicals, polemics as well as published authoritative pronouncements. With few exceptions, the best that can be said of the Polish Catholic spokesmen and hierarchs of that time is that they bestirred themselves to disapprove only the vilest excesses of anti-Jewish thuggery in painfully qualified language while explicitly sanctioning more respectable forms of discrimination, such as economic boycotts, and routinely stigmatizing Jews as spiritual and political enemies. While recognizing that sensibilities have changed over time, and that this approach could pass for moderation in the context of the thirties, Modras makes plain his conviction that this does not amount to much of a defense. Again, that is the best that can be said; at worst, Catholic publicists dished out crude, sometimes vicious antisemitic invective that makes the reader squirm six decades after the fact. As for the ultimate, excruciating question--what did this have to do with the Holocaust?--the author rightly states that "Christian antisemitism" bore no direct tie to the neopagan Nazi racism that reached fulfillment in the Shoah. But he adds his verdict that it acted as a tragic precursor, a conditio sine qua non.

    At the same time, he continues, although Polish Catholicism was indeed antisemitic in any meaningful sense of the term, this was by no means a peculiarly Polish defect, but one common to the entire Church of the era before Nostra Aetate. He notes that the staple themes of Catholic antisemitic broadsides--economic parasitism, the purported Jewish link with communism, above all the obsessive belief in a Jewish alliance with Freemasonry to advance the assault of secular liberalism against the Church and all it held dear--were essentially no different in Poland than anywhere else, exhibiting few native characteristics that would have been unrecognizable to Catholics in, say, England or Italy. In other words, he might say, the distinctive thing about Catholic antisemitism in Poland was not so much that it was Polish as that it was Catholic. Along the way, Modras displays a perceptive sensitivity to the complexities and paradoxes of Polish civilization, an environment that could produce Catholic antisemites who nonetheless risked their lives to rescue Jews during the Nazi occupation, as well as St. Maksymilian Kolbe, the noble soul who died in another prisoner's place in Auschwitz but whose "Knights of the Immaculata" publishing house had churned out some of Poland's nastiest Jewbaiting rags in peacetime.

    This worthy book is not without blemishes, so let us get these out of the way before giving Professor Modras his deserved commendations at the end. In the first place, the author, a theologian at St. Louis University, readily admits that he is not a specialist in Polish matters, and it shows to some extent. Aside from the good deal he has learned of Polish-Jewish relations, his grasp of the history of the Second Republic seems wooden and a trifle unsteady. For instance, the occasional name is misspelled, and the Pilsudski coup d'état, the watershed of interwar Polish politics, is repeatedly misdated. While the years 1936-1939 were no bargain in many ways, to describe them as "among the darkest in modern Polish history" (p. 34) seems curious, especially in light of what was to come immediately afterward. One also might ask why Modras chose to focus on the years 1933-1939, a somewhat artificial periodization that corresponds with the era of prewar Nazi rule in Germany, to be sure, but that has no particular bearing on the Polish case, because the advent of Hitler did not much alter the terms of debate over the "Jewish question" in Poland, inside or out of Catholic circles. He might have done better to follow the example of other scholars and select 1935 as his starting point, the year of the death of Marshal Pilsudski and the subsequent revived dynamism of the Polish right, or to cover the entire interwar epoch.

    On one occasion, the author seems to overstrain to push his point--otherwise well taken--that Polish Catholicism was little, if any, more disposed to antisemitism than the Catholic world as a whole; for he minimizes the significance of the celebrated 1938 statement of Pope Pius XI (formerly the nuncio to Poland, by the way) that Christians were "spiritual semites" and thereby forbidden to hate Jews, seizing on the technical ground that it was an off-the-cuff, unofficial remark. Even so, the facts remain that the pope said these words, that he took pains to make known that he had said them, and that they became the most famous he ever uttered, as Modras acknowledges. Does it really matter that much that they did not appear in any Vatican publication of record? Finally in this litany, we might wish that Modras had not limited himself to an examination of the press and had made wider use of other sources, even while admitting the validity of his claim that this method permits an accurate insight into Polish Catholic opinion. A more serious question is whether his findings might be skewed slightly--in tone, more than substance--by his heavy reliance on examples drawn from Maly Dziennik and Rycerz Niepokolanej. These mass market papers of Father Kolbe were noted for vociferous anti-Jewish diatribes, but were without influence on educated or elite circles.

    These are all small things that might have been done better. Far more weighty, in my view, are the several big things that Modras does very well. Moreover, his theological background permits him to highlight nuances of Catholic thought and discourse that have eluded some others. For starters, he convincingly demonstrates, should anyone require convincing, that prejudice against Jews was indeed deeply embedded in the Polish Catholic culture of the early twentieth century. While it may have been more prevalent elsewhere, or more virulent, this was not thanks to the leadership of the Polish Church. Not many Catholics raised their voices against the spread of antisemitism. Those who did represented elements that, like as not, were out of step with the hierarchy, embodying trends in Polish Catholicism that would not come into their own until after the war, such as the Odrodzenie (Renaissance) group. In this respect at least, says Modras--with deliberate provocation, but no little justice--Polish Catholics were less "Christian" than their enemies of the secular left.

    Second, he is correct to stress the degree to which Catholic antisemitism of the day formed but one component of a profoundly defensive mentality that conceived of the Church as a beleaguered rampart under fire of the combined onslaught of liberalism, communism, Freemasonry, and Jewry, foes whose identities tended to blur and merge in the smoke of battle. This is a point that is vital for an understanding of the outlook of interwar European Catholicism and its political activity. It is too often overlooked or dismissed as mere rhetoric rather than the conviction it was. It in no way excuses or minimizes the antisemitism of Polish Catholics to say that it derived most of its energy from the notion of a desperate war to preserve "Christian culture" against the inimical forces of modern life, including but by no means limited to Jews.

    Not least, Modras's book teaches a valuable lesson in its insistence on treating the Polish Church as an integral part of an international, avowedly universal institution, and in his finding that the attitudes of Polish Catholicism toward Jewish questions fell solidly within the Catholic mainstream of those times. Not only is he right on both counts, I think, but this approach has applicability beyond this particular work. All students of Polish church history should bear this in mind. It provides a needed corrective to the all-too-frequent tendency to regard Polish Catholicism as an isolated phenomenon, unique and eccentric, so decisively formed (or deformed, according to some) by national issues, traits, and phobias as to constitute a great exception. In fact, this is not at all the case. Of course, Modras does not hold that Catholicism in Poland is no different than in other lands, or that antisemitism was exactly the same in all Catholic lands, but simply stresses that the similarities were more compelling than the differences, that as regards the sprawa zydowska the Polish acorn did not fall far from the Catholic oak. This argument is well defended, as are the others that make up the heart of this book. Those virtues, as well as the author's rare blend of judgment, balance, and humane spirit, should secure his book a durable position on the lists of recommended works on the history of Polish-Jewish relations, the Polish Church, and modern antisemitism alike.
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    SIXX!! Great Post!! I too have been concerned about the Blacks in Mexico since I learned that there population was at one time substantial and now less than 1%. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? What atrocities have occurred there to achieve this depopulation? They have not come to the United States....we do not see them; no one is advocating them; no one is helping them; Lord knows if they were, WE would know about it.

    How could the Catholic Church in Mexico, which as you point out is the largest diocese in the world, not have addressed this and shouted whatever problem exists to the world?

    I ponder this question myself...how does a nation like Mexico REDUCE a group of people belonging to one race down to nothing? This does not happen naturally. How does this happen? This requires, no, it DEMANDS a world-wide investigation and probe into what happened to the Black Population in Mexico?

    Why did they not reproduce and flourish like all others in Mexico?

    Mexico with a burdgeoning population has a rapid and total decline of the Black Population? Did they die? Did they get a disease and were not treated? Were they whisked away and held in chains until they died? Were they exterminated? My God...where have the watchful eyes of the Church been? My God...where has the ACLU and the UN Human Rights Commission been? My God....where has Amnesty International been? My God....where has the United States been? I mean the USA has enormous interests in Mexico. USA Officials are in Mexico more than they are in the USA. Who could not notice the decline of a population in Mexico of a particular race group?

    MY GOD, MY GOD, MY GOD...What in the World is going on in Mexico with respect to its minority groups?

    What in the WORLD did they do to reduce an entire group of Black Mexicans to nothing more than an Pickinniny Remembrance on a Postage Stamp by 2005?

    This demands an international proble led by the United States immediately.

    I for one do not want ANY PACT with such a Nation. I for one do not want to send any MONEY to such a Nation. I for one do not want such a People to invade the United States in violation of US Immigration Law and by their presence steal jobs and opportunities from Americans under any circumstance ever. This is Evil we do not want in our midst.



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    This leaves me speechless, but speechless will not be acceptable. It's hard to believe that this could have happened, let alone for people to stay so quiet about whatever it is that would cause this depopulation.

    Massive abortions ?
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    LegalUSCitizen--massive abortions? Possibly. Along with male strilization perhaps. Only they know and we must find out.

    This question must be answered and an international probe is essential.

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    I'll say. So what do we need to do, write our Reps asking them to demand an international investigation?
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    Blacks in Mexico...

    If two ethnic groups reside together for a substantial period of time, they will begin to blend together until they're both of some intermediate blend or until one is submerged into the other population. This is an inevitability under multiethnic conditions, and it's where the blacks of Mexico "went."

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    Funny, while you all sit here and try to find logical excuses for what our Great Illustrious New bought Emperor, and those assassins in the senate are have in store for US after the ides of march, because they continue to get richer by selling US out, and the best you'll ever get by listening to their more then obvious Bull, is to lose all you've ever Loved & Believed in.

    Get this through your heads once and for all: George Bush is the Greatest Traitor this country has ever witnessed, and the sleaziest of all the false prophets.

    Wake up all you Americans who live and depend on this land for a way of Life; Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, what ever; all you've struggled to gain by getting here the right way, and trying to be right, is being sold out for the almighty buck by all the Gods @ Washington!!!

    I don't know about the rest of you (I've lived it), but I'm sick and tired of seeing my brothers and sisters lives sold out by this TexASS rich mans sons, EGO, and from what I can see of the great Muslim gratitude or Georgie Porgies, " How I plan to Protect America today from Muslim Anti Christian Terrorists," Crap shoot, IE (www.iraq.net), is that He/They don't/didn't deserve one single American life, and neither do any of the Bastards in DC now trying 2 tell US that it's ok today, cause they're just trying to protect the homeland, but these invaders are just looking for a better way of life, we need them to do the jobs our own people demand decent wages for, and they really do mean US no harm!

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    Plain & Simple; YOU HAVE BEEN BETRAYED & INVADED @ THE BECK & CALL OF YOUR OWN PRES, ON DOWN!!!!


    * Good example of why Americas Freedom & Leadership should never be handed over to some pansie who's never had to fight for her, or witness how much sacrifice it took to make America what it is today.*

    Time to make the real enemy within who opened the doors for this Invasion to begin with, PAY; so learn to die like the man you are, cause after all is said and done, everyone is born to die, and it's not the dying that matters, as much as the how & why, that God will Respect, and most folks will remember!!!


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    What happened to the blacks in Mexico? Many thousands were put down into the silver mines and kept there for the balance of their lives...never to see the sun again. That was also the fate of many thousands of Indians.

    Some blacks merged with some Indians...and that's where the 'race' of Mexicans began. The balance of the population were priviledged Spanish or Europeans.

    Mexico is rascist against it's own population. That's why only the Spanish and the Europeans among them are the only ones not begging alms.

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    Some blacks merged with some Indians...and that's where the 'race' of Mexicans began.
    This is simply not true. The majority of Mexicans are mestizos. They're a blend of European and Red Indian.

    There's a region in southern Mexico where remnants of the black population exist. There are fewer there now and in Mexico generally because of the hybridization that's taking place there.

    http://www.afromexico.com/sisters.jpg

    A photograph of Mexican "blacks" who are obviously hybridized with the local population.

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