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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    So if there are more illegal aliens in the state, and they are counted, that states contribution to the federal budget will be proportionately larger than a state only reporting legal residences. So where's the inequity? The inequity is those not paying their fair share, be they legal or illegal.

    Increasing a State's population size with illegal entrants not only increases a state's federal government cheese, but also effects our electoral college and who is elected as president.

    California, a communist, socialist, progressive state, with one of the highest illegal entrant populations, got 55 electoral college votes in 2012, far more than any other state in the union!


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    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America borders.


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    YES, JOHNWK...THAT WAS MY POINT!

    THEY GET MORE MONEY AND MORE ELECTORAL VOTES.

    UNTIL EVERY SANCTUARY STATE COMPLIES WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS...THEIR ELECTORIAL VOTES DO NOT COUNT!!!

    AND NO FEDERAL FUNDING...NOT ONE PENNY!
    ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM

    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Increasing a State's population size with illegal entrants not only increases a state's federal government cheese, but also effects our electoral college and who is elected as president.
    Did you bother to read what I wrote? If the state's population is increased by counting illegal aliens along with legal citizens, the revenue collected is increased by the same amount as the cheese. SO THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!


    I feel the Constitution should provide only benefits to members (citizens) of this country. So we should only count legal citizens. Not legal visitors here on a visa. And when it comes to rights, an illegal alien should have no right to be released in this country waiting a hearing. That right of bail should only be available to those legally here. But from what I read, that isn't the way it is written.

    Now, reality is most illegal aliens do not contribute as much as they take. But neither do most poor people. Under the original tax plan, that you long for, only land owners could vote. That would let out about 90% of the population.

    So the numbers counted make little difference in revenue. It's the jobs!

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    The Electoral College is affected by counting illegal entrants in the census

    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    Did you bother to read what I wrote? If the state's population is increased by counting illegal aliens along with legal citizens, the revenue collected is increased by the same amount as the cheese. SO THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!

    You apparently did not read what you quoted from me. The electoral college is affected and who is elected as president when counting illegal entrants in the census. That, my friend, are two glaring differences which occur, when counting illegal entrants in the census.


    California, a communist, socialist, progressive state, with one of the highest illegal entrant populations, about 2.5 MILLION, got 55 electoral college votes in 2012, far more than any other state in the union!

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    The unavoidable truth is, our social democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    The electoral college is affected and who is elected as president when counting illegal entrants in the census.
    You should stop running it all together with your tax agenda.

    It is true that counting more heads will increase the number of representatives as well as the number of electors. And I addressed that in Post#7 where I wrote "This is the same for representation, the more people the more representatives. It's all about whether illegals should have the same rights and obligations as legals."

    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk
    That, my friend, are two glaring differences which occur, when counting illegal entrants in the census.
    Yes, my friend, but your "cheese" versus "revenue" argument is BOGUS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post



    Yes, my friend, but your "cheese" versus "revenue" argument is BOGUS!
    What argument? Be specific. I have no idea what you are suggesting.

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    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America borders.


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    When socialists attacked the rule of apportionment as applied to federal revenue.

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    No, we do not plan for that by state. Back in the 1970's before this huge immigration problem, there was Revenue-Sharing that was a function of population during the Nixon Administration, a great idea for the times, but with this massive immigration, that no longer applied and that was done away with to the best of my knowledge.
    The assault upon the rule of apportionment as applied to federal revenue disbursed among the states started in 1946 under Truman, a socialist. It was called the "variable grant" principle. It started a school lunch program, provided funds for building hospitals, and doled out welfare payments under Social Security.

    States with the lowest per capita incomes gained federal revenue while states contributing the largest share of tax revenue paid the bill and objected.


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    The unavoidable truth is, our social democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    What argument? Be specific. I have no idea what you are suggesting.
    I thought you were intelligent!

    You argue that counting illegal aliens will increase the amount of money a state gets from the federal government. But if the revenue collected from the states is based on those same population numbers, that revenue will increase by the exact same amount. SO IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE!

    To repeat, that is a separate issue from the number of representatives and electors.

    Is that clear enough for you to digest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    I thought you were intelligent!

    You argue that counting illegal aliens will increase the amount of money a state gets from the federal government. But if the revenue collected from the states is based on those same population numbers . . .
    Revenue collected from the States is not based on apportionment. Stop making stuff up! And stop posting insulting remarks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Revenue collected from the States is not based on apportionment. Stop making stuff up!
    To quote your own (apparently lying) words:
    The principle behind this agreed upon formula, as applied to the states and their inhabitants, boils down to “Representation with a proportional financial obligation”, or, one man, one vote, and one vote, one dollar, a principle despised by socialists, communists and progressives,
    !

    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk
    And stop posting insulting remarks.
    Then stop living up to them!

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