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    Sparks fly in GOP debate, Rubio targeted


    Republican presidential candidate, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Republican presidential candidate, businessman Donald Trump spar as Republican presidential candidate, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., listens in the middle during a Republican presidential primary debate hosted by ABC News

    By Seth McLaughlin - The Washington Times - Updated: 11:13 p.m. on Saturday, February 6, 2016

    GOFFSTOWN, N.H. — Looking to pick a fight, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie pummeled Sen. Marco Rubio over his record in Congress in Saturday’s GOP presidential debate, saying the Florida Republican’s canned speeches don’t hide how he lacks the executive experience - and political backbone - to be president.

    Businessman Donald Trump, meanwhile, took aim at the audience inside the debate hall here at Saint Anselm College, saying the boos that rained down on him over his support of eminent domain came from deep-pocketed donors and special interests that want to control him, but can’t.

    Mr. Christie has faded in recent polls, while Mr. Rubio has been been on the rise following his third place finish in the Iowa caucuses - putting a big bullseye on his back on the campaign trail where Mr. Rubio’s rivals have warned that he is as too inexperienced to be commander-in-chief.

    In the the eighth Republican debate, Mr. Rubio said he is proud of the record he has compiled since being elected to the Senate in 2010 and in the Florida legislature before that.

    “I would say if the presidency become about electing the people who have been in Congress or the Senate the longest, we should rally around [Vice President] Joe Biden,” Mr. Rubio said. “He has been around a thousands years. He has passed hundreds of bills and I don’t think anybody thinks Joe Biden should be president of the United States.”

    Mr. Christie pounced, saying “Marco you shouldn’t compare yourself to Joe Biden.”

    “You have not been involved in a consequential decision where you have to be held accountable,” Mr. Christie said. “You just simply haven’t.”

    Mr. Rubio pushed back, highlighting how New Jersey has had nine credit downgrades on Mr. Christie’s watch, arguing “we don’t need to add to it by electing someone who has experience at running up and destroying the credit rating of his state.”

    “That’s what Washington, D.C. does,” Mr. Christie responded. “The drive-by shot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete information and then the memorized 25-second speech that is exactly what his advisers gave him.”

    The spat came toward the beginning of the two-hour showdown, where Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush joined Mr. Trump, Mr. Rubio and Mr. Christie on stage.

    The debate offered the seven Republicans a major stage to deliver their closing argument to undecided voters and spell out their stances on everything from immigration to military rules of engagement and waterboarding. They also were asked to predict the winner of Sunday’s Super Bowl between the Denver Broncos and Carolina Panthers.

    Mr. Trump, who is polling first, defended his support of eminent domain, saying it helps clear the way for roads, bridges and hospitals to be built, and that smart people can get “two or three times the value of their property.”

    “The Keystone Pipeline without eminent domain wouldn’t go ten feet,” Mr. Trump said. “Eminent domain is a good thing.”

    Mr. Bush, though, said there is a major difference between the the use of eminent domain for public and private reasons.

    “What Donald Trump did was to use eminent domain to try to take the property of an elderly woman on the strip in Atlantic City,” Mr. Bush said. “That is downright wrong.”

    Denying the claim, Mr. Trump said Mr. Bush “wants to be a tough guy tonight” and told him during a heated exchange to be “quiet” - eliciting boos from the audience.

    “That’s all of his donor and his special interests,” Mr. Trump said of the crowd reaction, sparking more boos.

    “The reason they’re not loving me is, I don’t want their money. I’m going to do the right thing for the American public. I don’t want their money. I don’t need their money,” he said.

    Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina failed to meet the polling criteria set by ABC to qualify for the debate.

    Mrs. Fiorina said her exclusion shows that the “game is rigged,” and bashed the Republican National Committee and ABC for leaving her out after she finished ahead of Mr. Kasich and Mr. Christie in the Iowa caucuses.

    Lagging in polls, former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore also was snubbed.

    Mr. Cruz, who won the Iowa caucuses, once again apologized to Mr. Carson, who has accused the Cruz campaign of hurting his chances in Iowa by spreading a false report that said he was ending his campaign.

    Mr. Carson said the Cruz campaign tactics is “a very good example of certain types of Washington ethics.”

    “Washington ethics. Washington ethics basically says, if it’s legal, you do what you need to do in order to win,” he said. “That’s not my ethics. My ethics is, you do what’s right.”

    Mr. Cruz also said he would “absolutely” support loosening the rules of engagement for U.S. military forces, and said he supports the limited use of waterboarding. And he showed a softer side by sharing the story of how he lost a half-sister to a drug overdose after trying to pull her out of her tailspin.

    “As president, I will secure the border, we will end this deluge of drugs that is flowing over our southern border and that is killing Americans across this country,” Mr. Cruz said.

    Mr. Kasich cast himself as a happy warrior, and said that he supports a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

    “If they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, I believe they ought to pay some back taxes, pay a fine, never get on the path to citizenship, but get legalization,” Mr. Kasich said.

    “I couldn’t even imagine how we would even begin to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a house when they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, leaving their children in the house. I mean, that is not, in my opinion, the kind of values that we believe in,” he said.

    Mr. Rubio tried to distance himself from the 2013 immigration bill that he co-authored that would have provided a quick path to legalization, and a path to citizenship for most illegal immigrants.

    “It is not the way we’re going to do when I’m president,” Mr. Rubio said.

    “When I’m president, we are going to enforce the law first, prove to people that illegal immigration is under control,” he said. “And then we’ll see what the American people are willing to support when it comes to people that are not criminals, who have been in the this country for a long time and who otherwise would like to stay.”

    Once again, Mr. Christie attacked, saying Mr. Rubio has been running away from the bill.

    “The fact of the matter is, a leader must fight for what they believe in, not handicap it and say, ‘Well maybe since I can’t win this one, I’ll run,’” Mr. Christie said. “That’s not what leadership is.”

    The candidates are scheduled to fan out across the state Sunday and Monday in an attempt to coax undecided voters into their corner.

    The fallout from the Iowa caucuses - Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee - underscores the stakes here in New Hampshire.

    Mr. Bush, Mr. Kasich and Mr. Christie are hoping to stop Mr. Rubio’s post-Iowa surge and that a strong performance here could help them consolidate the support of voters searching for an alternative to Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz, who are polling first nationally, as well as in South Carolina, which holds the first-in-the-south primary on Feb. 20.

    Mr. Kasich held his 100th town hall meeting here Friday and then deployed former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for a tele-town hall call.

    Mr. Bush, though, could be bettered position than Mr. Kasich and Mr. Christie to move on in the race given that he is better funded and more organized in South Carolina.

    He held an event this week with his mother, former First Lady Barbara Bush, and campaigned with Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who said Mr. Bush is “toast” if he he finishes behind Mr. Rubio in Tuesday’s primary.

    Mr. Bush and his allies have spent an estimated $20 million attacking Mr. Rubio over the airwaves.

    The latest UMASS/7 News tracking polls shows Mr. Trump leading his closest New Hampshire rival, Mr. Rubio, by a 34 to 14 percent margin. Mr. Cruz is at 13 percent, and both Mr. Kasich and Mr. Bush are at 10 percent. They are followed by Mr. Christie, 4 percent, and both Mrs,. Fiorinda and Mr. Carson at 3 percent.

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    Not sure if Rubio had a "Dan Quail" moment or even worse a "Howard Dean" one. Perhaps he was nothing more than the flavor of the week.
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    You don't merely have to beat the other party these days; you have to beat the Media, too. Rubio has become their darling for the moment.
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    Mr. Trump, who is polling first, defended his support of eminent domain, saying it helps clear the way for roads, bridges and hospitals to be built, and that smart people can get “two or three times the value of their property.”

    “The Keystone Pipeline without eminent domain wouldn’t go ten feet,” Mr. Trump said. “Eminent domain is a good thing.”

    Mr. Bush, though, said there is a major difference between the the use of eminent domain for public and private reasons.
    Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut. Bush is right on eminent domain.

    When I’m president, we are going to enforce the law first, prove to people that illegal immigration is under control,” he said. “And then we’ll see what the American people are willing to support when it comes to people that are not criminals, who have been in the this country for a long time and who otherwise would like to stay.”


    Sounds like an endorsement for amnesty to me. If he didn't support amnesty, he would come right out and say so (of course we wouldn't believe him though).

    Mr. Kasich cast himself as a happy warrior, and said that he supports a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

    “If they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, I believe they ought to pay some back taxes, pay a fine, never get on the path to citizenship, but get legalization,” Mr. Kasich said.
    Okay, the first sentence says he supports a path to citizenship for illegal, but the next sentence says he only support a path to legalization without citizenship. Which is it, Kasich? Oh hell, it doesn't matter because they're both amnesty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainron View Post
    You don't merely have to beat the other party these days; you have to beat the Media, too. Rubio has become their darling for the moment.
    It would seem so. After Iowa, he needs a little air let out of his inflated ego. I hope he finishes no higher than fourth in New Hampshire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut. Bush is right on eminent domain.
    Jeb being the hypocrite he is forgets to mention his family's use of eminent domain

    http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...p?storyid=3349
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    Quote Originally Posted by realbsball View Post
    Jeb being the hypocrite he is forgets to mention his family's use of eminent domain

    http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...p?storyid=3349
    You're right. Guess he was talking about his own family too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realbsball View Post
    Jeb being the hypocrite he is forgets to mention his family's use of eminent domain

    http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...p?storyid=3349
    Great post realbsball. This is the article

    Bush Condemned Property Via Eminent Domain to Build Rangers Stadium - And Made $14 Million Off the Deal

    Posted in the database on Saturday, November 05th, 2005 @ 13:44:39 MST (5914 views)
    by Jon Pensito Review

    Governing elite: The recent Supreme Court decision that allows local governments to use eminent domain to evict property owners in order to use their property for private development set off a howl on the Right.

    To counter the ruling, Republicans in Congress are working on legislation that would cut off all federal funding to local governments who use eminent domain to evict property owners.

    The president may have a hard time keeping a straight face when he signs the bill, however. In his past life as a baseball team owner, Mr. Bush profited from exactly this sort of eminent domain eviction - to the tune of $14.3 million.

    The story was first rerported by Texas reporter Robert Brice in May 1997, late in Bush’s first term as governor of Texas:
    Since he took to the stump three and a half years ago to run for governor, Bush has railed against “big government.” On the very first day of his campaign, November 8, 1993, Bush told supporters in Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and Dallas that “the best way to allocate resources in our society is through the market place. Not through a governing elite, not through red tape and over-regulation, not through some central bureaucracy.”

    But through the Arlington stadium deal, Bush, who owns 1.8 percent of the Rangers, has been personally enriched by using the “governing elite” and the “central bureaucracy” not only to confiscate land for private purposes, but to get a huge public subsidy for a stadium that generates profits for himself and the Texas Rangers. Though Bush’s present ownership percentage of the team is relatively small, the asset represents a large part of his personal wealth; moreover, Bush’s deal with the team includes a provision that will almost certainly multiply his future ownership interest to 11 percent.

    Briefly, here’s what happened on the Ballpark deal. Bush and his partners in the Rangers convinced Arlington officials to:
    Pass a half cent sales tax to pay for 70 percent of the stadium;
    Use the government’s powers of eminent domain to condemn land the Rangers couldn’t or didn’t want to buy on the open market;
    Give the Rangers control over what happens in and around the stadium;
    Allow the Rangers to buy the stadium (which cost $191 million to construct) for just $60 million;
    Bush and company went into action on the stadium in late in 1989, when Bush’s father was still vice president and as the project was getting off the ground he became president. The younger Bush’s company exercised its considerable political clout and used the Texas state government to take the property for the stadium involuntarily from its rightful owners

    In April of 1991, the Rangers shepherded through the Legislature a bill [that] would create the Arlington Sports Facilities Development Authority, a quasi-governmental entity endowed with the power of eminent domain. Shortly after the bill was signed into law by former Governor Ann Richards, three parcels of land located near the stadium, nearly thirteen acres in all, were condemned by the ASFDA. The land was owned by … the heirs of television magnate Curtis Mathes.

    Among court documents is an unsigned Rangers memo by a team representative, discussing the history of the Mathes tracts. The representative notes that in his first contact with the Mathes family concerning the land, on November 6, 1990, “I was not well received.” The memo goes on to say that the ASFDA’s appraiser assigned the land a value of $3.16 per square foot, for a total value of $1.515 million. “An offer was made by the Authority at this price. This offer was rejected & the Sellers countered with $2,835,000.00 for all three tracts, i.e.: $5.31 p.s.f.” In mid-December, the ASFDA offered the Mathes heirs just $817,220 for the three tracts, far below even what the ASFDA’s first appraiser had suggested. The Mathes family refused to sell, and the ASFDA seized the land through eminent domain.

    Glenn Sodd, a Corsicana attorney who represents the Mathes family, says he has found little evidence that Bush was directly involved in the decisions to condemn the property for the stadium. But he adds, “What happened to my folks was pretty audacious. It was the first time in Texas history that the power of eminent domain has been used to assist a private organization like a baseball team.”

    [In May 1996], a Tarrant County jury found that the sports authority’s offer of $817,220 for the Mathes property was too low, and it awarded the Mathes heirs $4.98 million, plus accumulated interest. For the past year, the city of Arlington and the Rangers have been arguing over who will pay the tab.
    Bush sold his interest in the Rangers in 1998 for $14.9 million. He had invested a total of $606,302.27 [in 1989] and was one of two managing partners.


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    Chris Christie DESTROYS Marco Rubio at New Hampshire Debate 'Memorized Speeches'




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