Thread: Real ID will cause real big mess

Real ID will cause real big mess
February 17, 2008 - 6:25PM


Complying with the demands of the federal Real ID Act

POINTS OF DEBATE
This national ID card evokes shades of Big Brother; it will be a burden to law-abiding motorists

THE STAR’S VIEW
The Real ID Act will place unnecessary burdens on
law-abiding residents; it should be repealed

Later this year, the state of North Carolina will begin complying with federal government demands by doing its part to participate in a national identification card system.

It is scheduled to occur in December, when the state’s Division of Motor Vehicles will begin following the requirements of the federal Real ID Act.

To us, this national ID card evokes shades of Big Brother. It’s unnecessary. It’ll be a burden to law-abiding motorists. And at worst, it is ripe for abuse and fraud.

The Department of Homeland Security argues that Real ID doesn’t amount to a national identity card. The feds argue they aren’t collecting the data on American motorists, nor are they maintaining the database.

This merely shows that the folks at Homeland Security don’t understand the concept of something being six one way and a half-dozen the other.

No, they aren’t issuing the card. The states are doing it for the feds. And, no, the data won’t be kept in Washington. Instead, it’ll be stored in computers in 50 state capitals across the country.

The sharing of information in the databases puts Americans at an unnecessary risk for those who would misuse the information contained there.

The American Civil Liberties Union even goes as far as to say that having all of the information accessible to a sinister person would put driver’s license holders more at risk for identity fraud.

Supporters say the Real ID Act is a necessary measure in an age of terrorism. Others believe that having such requirements for a driver’s license will cut down on illegal immigration.

We question whether it will do either.

Terrorists will know the rules. And, in the past, they have demonstrated the ability for great patience in planning and carrying out their horror.

As far as immigration is concerned, we believe it is an issue that needs to be resolved by Congress. Thus far, Washington has failed to have the courage to deal with the situation.

And not having a license doesn’t necessarily mean those who are in this country illegally will go away, or even stay off the roads.

What the Real ID Act will do is place unnecessary burdens on law-abiding residents. Over the next few years, as motorists trek to the DMV to renew their licenses, they have to prove their identity all over again.

They may have to tread through bureaucracy to get documents, such as a certified copy of their birth certificate, to satisfy the DMV. They’ll have to take copies of deeds or utility bills to the DMV to prove their residence. And they’ll have to wait for up to 20 days for their driver’s license to come in the mail.

For many, that won’t be enough. They may have to make a trip to the Social Security office to get information straightened out so it will match with DMV records.

The ACLU says Real ID will become a real nightmare. We think it will prove to be a real hassle.

Congress should repeal this act.

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Anyone who has been in the military will tell you that there is NO problems with a REAL ID.

Military screening requirements are already much tougher than they are in the Departments of Motor Vehicles.

Originally Posted by jean

The Department of Homeland Security argues that Real ID doesn’t amount to a national identity card. The feds argue they aren’t collecting the data on American motorists, nor are they maintaining the database.

DHS is right...Real ID isn't a "national" identity card because after we are initiated into the NAU, we will no longer be a "nation." It's just a matter of
semantics. And they won't be collecting data on "American" motorists...they will be collecting data on "North American" motorists at which time they will begin to maintain the database.

Is REAL ID issued to all military personnel?
Based on the first issue of information by the FBI a number of things were unknown.
Wanted Murder Suspect: Cesar Armando Laurean.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008
Aliases given: Aliases: Cesar Gudino, Cesar Sanchez
Dated of birth USED (possibly incorrect?)
Place of birth: UNKNOWN
Nationality: UNKNOWN



UNLAWFUL FLIGHT TO AVOID PROSECUTION - MURDER

CESAR ARMANDO LAUREAN



Aliases: Cesar Gudino, Cesar Sanchez

DESCRIPTION
Date of Birth Used: November 13, 1986 Hair: Black
Place of Birth: Unknown Eyes: Brown
Height: 5'9" Sex: Male
Weight: 160 pounds Race: White (Hispanic)
NCIC: W653665173 Nationality: Unknown
Occupation: United States Marine Corps Corporal
Scars and Marks: None known
Remarks: Laurean is a United States Marine Corps Corporal currently assigned to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. Laurean may be driving a four-door 2004 Dodge Ram truck, black in color, displaying North Carolina license plate TRR1522.

CAUTION
Cesar Armando Laurean is wanted for his alleged involvement in the murder of 20-year-old Maria Lauterbach, who was pregnant at the time of her murder. Lauterbach was a United States Marine Corps Lance Corporal assigned to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. She had been missing since December 14, 2007. Charred remains have been recovered in a shallow grave in the backyard of Laurean's Jacksonville, North Carolina, residence. The remains are believed to be those of Lauterbach and her unborn infant.

A state arrest warrant was issued on January 12, 2008, in Onslow County, North Carolina, after Laurean was charged with murder. That same day, Laurean was charged federally with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution by the United States District Court, Eastern District of North Carolina, Wilmington, North Carolina, and a federal warrant was issued for his arrest.

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS
IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST AMERICAN EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.


ROBERT S. MUELLER, III
DIRECTOR
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20535
TELEPHONE: (202) 324-3000

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-98390-mari ... led+marine

Later poster had him born in Mexico and said he was a naturalized citizen.

Distrust and caution are the parents of security.
Benjamin Franklin

Originally Posted by AF

Anyone who has been in the military will tell you that there is NO problems with a REAL ID.

Correct!
And ID for Americans needs to be updated to stay one step ahead of the forgers. Same principle applies to upgrading our currency to keep ahead of most of the counterfeiters.

Have you noticed that the ACLU and all advocates for illegal immigration vehemently oppose REAL ID?

I rarely agree with the ACLU but on this I do agree. I was in the military. Volunteering for the military negates some of your civil liberties, such as freedom of speech etc..because you have loaned yourself to the US Government for a certain amount of time. We the PEOPLE are NOT in the military...we are free, and the US Constitution is there for us. The 4th amendment must not be abridged for FALSE security!!!!! NO REAL ID!

You lose NO freedoms when joining the military. It is like any other job, you have to consider the interests of the job. I am curious as to what freedoms were taken away. I served 24 years and enjoyed a great deal. You should have seen the looks on our kids faces when they got their first Dependent ID cards. They carried their card proudly, and they still do even today.

The military ID card was your life. We were required to show it to enter into the commissary, BX, hospital, and many of the other areas on the base. You even have to show it to get onto the base. WHAT IS SO HARD TO SPEND 30 SECONDS TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR IDENTITY.

How many of you carry your credit cards around? Again, there is no difference with a REAL ID.

If we are at such a risk from terrorism, then why are our borders so wide open for anyone to enter, including all these terroists we keep hearing about? This is just another strategy our government uses to keep us in fear and then they can carry out anything they want behind our backs!! You know like the Iraq war. This is smoke and mirrors. Ron Paul 2008!!

You know like the Iraq war.

And 9-11. It was just a government hoax. What you saw on TV was just a government made movie film. The Towers are still there, they just want you to imagine it isn't.