Thread: Ron Paul On Meet The Press

Video of RonPaul on Meet The Press yesterday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 1#10005061

I saw it. I thought Russert was very tough on him but Paul handled it extremely well. I was irritated with Russert because he doesn't give the other candidates such a rough time. I like Ron Paul more since seeing this interview.

I have found that when Paul is allowed to explain his positions, it all makes sense. But what is killing him in the polls is these little sound bites that don't allow for that.

“He [Paul] said that Abraham Lincoln made a mistake by going to war to free the slaves “

If he actually said this, it’s unfortunate. Lincoln didn’t go to war to free the slaves. He went to war because he was attacked and to squash a rebellion and put the South in their unrepresented place mostly for economic advantage for the North. The emancipation came TWO years after the war started. He had no presidential power to free the slaves. Maybe Ron thinks he did, just like he thinks he can do all that stuff some so want to believe he can. HE CANNOT. Lincoln did it as Commander in chief to confiscate the assets (slaves) of the Confederacy. The only slaves ‘freed’ were the ones in confederate states, not the entire ‘union’.

“That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United Stead shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.â€

Originally Posted by AuntB

“He [Paul] said that Abraham Lincoln made a mistake by going to war to free the slaves “

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You quote a line, then ask "if he really said this.." uhmm... AuntB - c'mon, move along. We "know" you don't like Ron Paul -- please abstain from ALWAYS mentioning Dr. Paul in your posts in a negative fashion. I mean, you post an article about Duncan Hunter and then tell us about Ron Paul caller - hilarious.... I mean, do I go on every thread and somehow infilitrate Hunters corruption charges? I could - but I tend to think that its better to promote one's own canddiate that consistently trying to bash another. Don't be so afraid, its obvious -- Its laughable because the VERY same elites who promote these wars for "special interests" are the very same ones who want open borders and the NAU...-- so support your CFR lackeys once Hunter drops out.

I post public record, you repeat an unfounded RUMOR, and you expect us to believe you know who is best to vote for?


Stick with facts, if you and Ron Paul can.

The truth hurts. SORRY


You would be wise to check out more of Paul's support of leftists in congress.

Now, instead of rumor, show us any wrong doing by Hunter. You can't.


Paul was never able to get one piece of his legislation through the process. He was a failure as a legislator.

Here’s where the Paul small government argument breaks down.

It’s true Paul has never gotten a piece of his legislation into law. It may even be true that he is consistent in voting.

But in a ten year period Ron CO SPONSORED 1876 bills written by other people. That’s 1000 more than Duncan Hunter. Now if you believe those 1876 bills were all to decrease government (remember written by others who Paul supporters say NEVER lower government!) You’ll believe anything.

Ron Paul has proved he can’t ‘govern’. He has a zero record of accomplishments, except for pushing 1876 bills others wrote through congress. Small government guy?

Just for comparison of actual accomplishments in congress:

Sponsored means he wrote or introduced the bill. Co sponsors sign on to other bills written by someone else.

Statistics: Duncan Hunter has sponsored 105 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 72 haven’t made it out of committee (Average)

and 10 were successfully enacted (Good, relative to peers).

Hunter has co-sponsored 894 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

Now take a look at Ron Paul, who claims many ‘accomplishments’ and would never vote for any frivolous, unconstitutional bill!

Statistics: Ronald Paul has sponsored 346 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 341 haven’t made it out of committee (Extremely Poor) and 0 were successfully enacted .(Average, relative to peers).

Paul has co-sponsored 1876 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers) NOTE: 1876 bills, written by other congress members. All ‘constitutional’ ? You decide.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400191

One of the stranger pieces of legislation that Paul Co sponsored would have kept him out of the debates!!

. H.CON.RES.263 : Expressing the sense of Congress that any Presidential candidate should be permitted to participate in debates among candidates if at least 5 percent of respondents in national public opinion polls of all eligible voters support the candidate’s election for President or if a majority of respondents in such polls support the candidate’s participation in such debates. Sponsor: Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] (introduced 11/6/2001) Cosponsors (2)

See some of Paul’s CO sponsored legislation here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc ... page=28#28

Take note of the ultra liberal socialists in congress he signed on with.

[quote="AuntB"]“He [Paul] said that Abraham Lincoln made a mistake by going to war to free the slaves “

If he actually said this, it’s unfortunate. Lincoln didn’t go to war to free the slaves. He went to war because he was attacked and to squash a rebellion and put the South in their unrepresented place mostly for economic advantage for the North. The emancipation came TWO years after the war started. He had no presidential power to free the slaves. Maybe Ron thinks he did, just like he thinks he can do all that stuff some so want to believe he can. HE CANNOT. Lincoln did it as Commander in chief to confiscate the assets (slaves) of the Confederacy. The only slaves ‘freed’ were the ones in confederate states, not the entire ‘union’.

“That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United Stead shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.â€

Originally Posted by AuntB

I post public record, you repeat an unfounded RUMOR, and you expect us to believe you know who is best to vote for?


Stick with facts, if you and Ron Paul can.

The truth hurts. SORRY


You would be wise to check out more of Paul's support of leftists in congress.

Now, instead of rumor, show us any wrong doing by Hunter. You can't.


Paul was never able to get one piece of his legislation through the process. He was a failure as a legislator.

Here’s where the Paul small government argument breaks down.

It’s true Paul has never gotten a piece of his legislation into law. It may even be true that he is consistent in voting.

But in a ten year period Ron CO SPONSORED 1876 bills written by other people. That’s 1000 more than Duncan Hunter. Now if you believe those 1876 bills were all to decrease government (remember written by others who Paul supporters say NEVER lower government!) You’ll believe anything.

Ron Paul has proved he can’t ‘govern’. He has a zero record of accomplishments, except for pushing 1876 bills others wrote through congress. Small government guy?

Just for comparison of actual accomplishments in congress:

Sponsored means he wrote or introduced the bill. Co sponsors sign on to other bills written by someone else.

Statistics: Duncan Hunter has sponsored 105 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 72 haven’t made it out of committee (Average)

and 10 were successfully enacted (Good, relative to peers).

Hunter has co-sponsored 894 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

Now take a look at Ron Paul, who claims many ‘accomplishments’ and would never vote for any frivolous, unconstitutional bill!

Statistics: Ronald Paul has sponsored 346 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 341 haven’t made it out of committee (Extremely Poor) and 0 were successfully enacted .(Average, relative to peers).

Paul has co-sponsored 1876 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers) NOTE: 1876 bills, written by other congress members. All ‘constitutional’ ? You decide.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400191

One of the stranger pieces of legislation that Paul Co sponsored would have kept him out of the debates!!

. H.CON.RES.263 : Expressing the sense of Congress that any Presidential candidate should be permitted to participate in debates among candidates if at least 5 percent of respondents in national public opinion polls of all eligible voters support the candidate’s election for President or if a majority of respondents in such polls support the candidate’s participation in such debates. Sponsor: Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] (introduced 11/6/2001) Cosponsors (2)

See some of Paul’s CO sponsored legislation here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc ... page=28#28

Take note of the ultra liberal socialists in congress he signed on with.

600.000 AMERICAN LIVES WHERE LOST IN THIS WAR .
MANY OF US DON'T AGREE WITH THE DEATH OF OUR BROTHERS. SORRY
I KNOW YOU WHO SUPPORT THE WAR HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WARS AND TORTURE
THE SUPPORT FOR DR. PAUL IS GROWING EACH DAY.
HE RECEIVED ALMOST $19 MILLIONS IN 3 MONTHS.
HIS SUPPORTERS GOT HIM A BLIMP
HE IS BEEING INVITED TO MORE SHOWS
BACK TO OUR CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!

WHOM DO YOU WANT TO FOOL WITH THIS DUNCAN HUNTER THING ?
DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO WIN THE NOMINATION ?
GET REAL, YOU CAN SUPPORT A LOSER IF YOU WANT BUT DON'T KEEP TRYING TO COBNVINCE OTHERS TO SUPPORT HIM .
I RESPECT YOUR OPTION .

Originally Posted by minnie

Originally Posted by AuntB

I post public record, you repeat an unfounded RUMOR, and you expect us to believe you know who is best to vote for?


Stick with facts, if you and Ron Paul can.

The truth hurts. SORRY


You would be wise to check out more of Paul's support of leftists in congress.

Now, instead of rumor, show us any wrong doing by Hunter. You can't.


Paul was never able to get one piece of his legislation through the process. He was a failure as a legislator.

Here’s where the Paul small government argument breaks down.

It’s true Paul has never gotten a piece of his legislation into law. It may even be true that he is consistent in voting.

But in a ten year period Ron CO SPONSORED 1876 bills written by other people. That’s 1000 more than Duncan Hunter. Now if you believe those 1876 bills were all to decrease government (remember written by others who Paul supporters say NEVER lower government!) You’ll believe anything.

Ron Paul has proved he can’t ‘govern’. He has a zero record of accomplishments, except for pushing 1876 bills others wrote through congress. Small government guy?

Just for comparison of actual accomplishments in congress:

Sponsored means he wrote or introduced the bill. Co sponsors sign on to other bills written by someone else.

Statistics: Duncan Hunter has sponsored 105 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 72 haven’t made it out of committee (Average)

and 10 were successfully enacted (Good, relative to peers).

Hunter has co-sponsored 894 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

Now take a look at Ron Paul, who claims many ‘accomplishments’ and would never vote for any frivolous, unconstitutional bill!

Statistics: Ronald Paul has sponsored 346 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 341 haven’t made it out of committee (Extremely Poor) and 0 were successfully enacted .(Average, relative to peers).

Paul has co-sponsored 1876 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers) NOTE: 1876 bills, written by other congress members. All ‘constitutional’ ? You decide.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400191

One of the stranger pieces of legislation that Paul Co sponsored would have kept him out of the debates!!

. H.CON.RES.263 : Expressing the sense of Congress that any Presidential candidate should be permitted to participate in debates among candidates if at least 5 percent of respondents in national public opinion polls of all eligible voters support the candidate’s election for President or if a majority of respondents in such polls support the candidate’s participation in such debates. Sponsor: Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] (introduced 11/6/2001) Cosponsors (2)

See some of Paul’s CO sponsored legislation here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc ... page=28#28

Take note of the ultra liberal socialists in congress he signed on with.

600.000 AMERICAN LIVES WHERE LOST IN THIS WAR .
MANY OF US DON'T AGREE WITH THE DEATH OF OUR BROTHERS. SORRY
I KNOW YOU WHO SUPPORT THE WAR HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WARS AND TORTURE
THE SUPPORT FOR DR. PAUL IS GROWING EACH DAY.
HE RECEIVED ALMOST $19 MILLIONS IN 3 MONTHS.
HIS SUPPORTERS GOT HIM A BLIMP
HE IS BEEING INVITED TO MORE SHOWS
BACK TO OUR CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!

WHOM DO YOU WANT TO FOOL WITH THIS DUNCAN HUNTER THING ?
DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO WIN THE NOMINATION ?
GET REAL, YOU CAN SUPPORT A LOSER IF YOU WANT BUT DON'T KEEP TRYING TO COBNVINCE OTHERS TO SUPPORT HIM .
I RESPECT YOUR OPTION .

Do you really "think" that Ron Paul is going to win???

He has NO chance of winning!!

He may have enough money to keep him in the race a long time, but he is NOT going to win.

You might want to ask yourself...........

Why would he vote NO in 2005 against Hunter's fence and border security bill??

Why does he not have any plans for going after employers???

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by minnie

Originally Posted by AuntB

I post public record, you repeat an unfounded RUMOR, and you expect us to believe you know who is best to vote for?


Stick with facts, if you and Ron Paul can.

The truth hurts. SORRY


You would be wise to check out more of Paul's support of leftists in congress.

Now, instead of rumor, show us any wrong doing by Hunter. You can't.


Paul was never able to get one piece of his legislation through the process. He was a failure as a legislator.

Here’s where the Paul small government argument breaks down.

It’s true Paul has never gotten a piece of his legislation into law. It may even be true that he is consistent in voting.

But in a ten year period Ron CO SPONSORED 1876 bills written by other people. That’s 1000 more than Duncan Hunter. Now if you believe those 1876 bills were all to decrease government (remember written by others who Paul supporters say NEVER lower government!) You’ll believe anything.

Ron Paul has proved he can’t ‘govern’. He has a zero record of accomplishments, except for pushing 1876 bills others wrote through congress. Small government guy?

Just for comparison of actual accomplishments in congress:

Sponsored means he wrote or introduced the bill. Co sponsors sign on to other bills written by someone else.

Statistics: Duncan Hunter has sponsored 105 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 72 haven’t made it out of committee (Average)

and 10 were successfully enacted (Good, relative to peers).

Hunter has co-sponsored 894 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

Now take a look at Ron Paul, who claims many ‘accomplishments’ and would never vote for any frivolous, unconstitutional bill!

Statistics: Ronald Paul has sponsored 346 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 341 haven’t made it out of committee (Extremely Poor) and 0 were successfully enacted .(Average, relative to peers).

Paul has co-sponsored 1876 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers) NOTE: 1876 bills, written by other congress members. All ‘constitutional’ ? You decide.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400191

One of the stranger pieces of legislation that Paul Co sponsored would have kept him out of the debates!!

. H.CON.RES.263 : Expressing the sense of Congress that any Presidential candidate should be permitted to participate in debates among candidates if at least 5 percent of respondents in national public opinion polls of all eligible voters support the candidate’s election for President or if a majority of respondents in such polls support the candidate’s participation in such debates. Sponsor: Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] (introduced 11/6/2001) Cosponsors (2)

See some of Paul’s CO sponsored legislation here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc ... page=28#28

Take note of the ultra liberal socialists in congress he signed on with.

600.000 AMERICAN LIVES WHERE LOST IN THIS WAR .
MANY OF US DON'T AGREE WITH THE DEATH OF OUR BROTHERS. SORRY
I KNOW YOU WHO SUPPORT THE WAR HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WARS AND TORTURE
THE SUPPORT FOR DR. PAUL IS GROWING EACH DAY.
HE RECEIVED ALMOST $19 MILLIONS IN 3 MONTHS.
HIS SUPPORTERS GOT HIM A BLIMP
HE IS BEEING INVITED TO MORE SHOWS
BACK TO OUR CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!

WHOM DO YOU WANT TO FOOL WITH THIS DUNCAN HUNTER THING ?
DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO WIN THE NOMINATION ?
GET REAL, YOU CAN SUPPORT A LOSER IF YOU WANT BUT DON'T KEEP TRYING TO COBNVINCE OTHERS TO SUPPORT HIM .
I RESPECT YOUR OPTION .

Do you really "think" that Ron Paul is going to win???

He has NO chance of winning!!

He may have enough money to keep him in the race a long time, but he is NOT going to win.

You might want to ask yourself...........

Why would he vote NO in 2005 against Hunter's fence and border security bill??

Why does he not have any plans for going after employers???

Do you really believe if Congress passed a bill for the fence and passed a bill to go after employers that Ron Paul will veto the bill. Get real Bush is a CFR member and he signed the fence bill, no doubt Ron Paul will oblige us Patriots.