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    Ted Cruz and John Kasich team up in deal to stop Trump

    Ted Cruz and John Kasich team up in deal to stop Trump

    The Ohio governor will give the Texan senator a free run in Indiana in exchange for the same favor in Oregon and New Mexico



    Ted Cruz and John Kasich have ganged up to try to stop Donald trump reaching the crucial 1,237 delegates in the Republican nomination race.

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    Ted Cruz and John Kasich have announced that their campaigns will cede certain states in an attempt to keep Donald Trump from reaching the 1,237 delegates he needs to clinch the Republican nomination.
    In a pair of coordinated statements released on Sunday night, the Cruz and Kasich campaigns said that the Texan senator would concentrate his resources in Indiana while the Ohio governor would put all his effort into Oregon and New Mexico.


    Both have already stated that they expect there to be a contested convention in Cleveland in July and are already preparing for a second ballot.


    However, for that scenario to come to pass, they first need to stop Trump. This apparent agreement seems to be an admission that only way to do so is for his opponents to finally cooperate against him. Under current rules, delegates are only bound by the results of their state’s primary or caucus for the first ballot.

    On any subsequent ballot, delegates are free to vote their conscience and, since delegate selection is often an entirely separate process from a primary, there is likely to be a significant shift in votes on a second ballot.


    Jeff Roe, Cruz’s campaign manager, went first. He said “our campaign will focus its time and resources in Indiana and in turn clear the path for Kasich to compete in Oregon and New Mexico, and we would hope that allies of both campaigns would follow our lead”.


    Cruz has already shifted resources to focus entirely on Indiana, whose 30 winner-take-all statewide delegates represent the biggest individual haul remaining. The state, which holds its primary on 3 May, also allocates three delegates to the winner of each of its nine congressional districts. Polls in the Hoosier State had Trump with a narrow lead ahead of Cruz with Kasich lagging behind. One campaign source indicated that internal polls showed Kasich was dividing the anti-Trump vote in Indiana and serving as a major hindrance to Cruz’s prospects.


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    The Cruz statement was followed minutes later by a statement from Kasich strategist John Weaver. The veteran operative said “due to the fact that the Indiana primary is winner-take-all statewide and by congressional district, keeping Trump from winning a plurality in Indiana is critical to keeping him under 1,237 bound delegates before Cleveland. We are very comfortable with our delegate position in Indiana already, and given the current dynamics of the primary there, we will shift our campaign’s resources west and give the Cruz campaign a clear path in Indiana”.

    Weaver added that “in turn, we will focus our time and resources in New Mexico and Oregon, both areas that are structurally similar to the north-east politically, where Governor Kasich is performing well.

    We would expect independent third-party groups to do the same and honor the commitments made by the Cruz and Kasich campaigns”.


    The statement come just days after Cruz suggested in Florida that Kasich was only staying in the presidential race because “it may be John is auditioning to be Donald’s vice president”. The Texas senator also said earlier on Sunday that the Ohio governor did not have “a plausible path” to the nomination.

    Tim Miller, a spokesman for Our Principles PAC, an anti-Trump superPAC said he found the apparent alliance “encouraging.”, when asked for comment via e-mail. He added “See you in Cleveland.”

    Oregon, which holds its primary on 17 May, and New Mexico, which votes on 7 June, each have relatively proportional primaries. Oregon allocates its 28 delegates in purely proportional manner while New Mexico has a threshold that requires a candidate to get 15% of the vote.


    Both campaigns made it clear that they would compete against each other in all of the remaining primary contests.


    Cruz’s campaign chief said: “In other states holding their elections for the remainder of the primary season, our campaign will continue to compete vigorously to win.”



    The deal comes more than a month after Kasich squelched an overture from Marco Rubio to engage in strategic voting in their home-state primaries on 15 March. While a Rubio spokesman urged supporters of the Florida senator to vote for Kasich in the Ohio, the Kasich campaign declined to return the favor in Florida.

    The deal between the two campaigns came 36 hours before the opening of polls in the so-called Acela Primary, comprising five states in the northeast and mid-Atlantic. Trump is expected to dominate in these states and both Cruz and Kasich are likely to be shut out in the bound-delegate chase in at least three of the states holding contests on Tuesday. However, because 54 of the 71 delegates elected in Pennsylvania will be unbound and free to vote for any candidate, Trump’s rivals could still gain there.


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    The games just show how unfit they both are for public office in general and most certainly unfit for President of the United States.

    SHUT 'EM DOWN American Repubicans, SHUT THEM DOWN in every primary from through California. We need a real person with real ideas, real plans, real policies, real common sense, real intelligence and real unwavering loyalty to the American People and Donald J Trump is the ONLY ONE with all of the above.

    VOTE FOR TRUMP so we can keep Rollin' Rollin' Rollin' to 1237.

    STAY TRUE!! STAY TRUMP!!
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    Cruz, Kasich strategies align with goal of beating Trump

    The presidential campaigns of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich said Sunday they are collaborating to deprive front-runner Donald Trump the delegates needed to win the Republican nomination.

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    Cruz and Kasich . . . two Establishment peas in a pod

    I see Senator Cruz is uniting with amnesty and trade promotion authority loving Kasich to take down Trump. See Cruz and Kasich unite to take down Donald Trump



    ”Ted Cruz and John Kasich have joined forces in a concerted effort to deny Donald Trump the delegates needed to win the Republican nomination on the first ballot at the July convention.”




    Seems that birds of a feather do flock together.


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    Kasich can release all of his delegates before the first round and ask them to vote for Cruz.
    Rubio, Bush and anyone else who has any delegates from the early primary states can release them before the first round and ask them to vote for Cruz or Trump.
    The only problem is once you release them you lose all control of them.
    They can vote for anyone on the face of the earth.
    They should only vote for a registered Republican.
    They should only vote for Cruz or Trump.
    But if they don't the only thing the RNC can do is sue them and hope the judge makes them pick Cruz or Trump.
    But there is no guarantee.
    And that becomes to expensive and time consuming for their one vote.
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    Last edited by JohnDoe2; 04-27-2016 at 01:54 PM.
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    U.S. Presidential Elections: If a candidate drops out of the race what happens to his/her delegates?

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    It depends on several factors.

    1. Technically, a delegate is only bound to vote for their candidate if their candidate is actually nominated for the nomination at the convention.

    Not all candidates who ran get nominated for the nomination. If a delegate's pledged candidate is not nominated for the nomination, then the delegate is free to vote their conscience.


    2. There are two sorts of "Dropping out".


    A Candidate can formally withdraw from the race. If that happens, their pledged delegates are automatically freed to vote their conscience.


    A Candidate can also just "Suspend My Active Campaign". If they do this, they are still *legally* "Running" for the office, they just are not making speeches and the like. Candidates do this so they can keep their campaign committees open and raise money to pay off campaign debt (fun fact, there are still technically candidates "Running" for election to the Presidency in 2008, their campaigns are working on retiring the campaign debts). A candidate who is just "suspending" maintains their bound delegates (Assuming they Are nominated for the nomination at the convention, see #1 above).


    3. A candidate, when dropping out, can formally endorse and recommend another candidate for the office. If they do that, their delegates are NOT *required* to vote for the other candidate, but it's heavily expected.

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    They are doing this because they are seeing how once Trump was vulnerable if he did not get 1237 delegates, and now Trump has positioned himself to possibly take it on the first ballot. A last ditch effort to salvage anything for those two.
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    The good news behind this Kasich and Cruz crap is, we are witnessing how deeply entrenched the Establishment's tentacles reach and who they control.


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