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Delph's bill enters dubious territory
Jan 18, 2011 |

Given the storm that rages through Arizona over immigration, holding that state up as a model for Indiana legislation on this sensitive issue is a dubious exercise of leadership at best.

Tacking on a provision that has nothing to do with illegal immigration and everything to do with anti-Hispanic sentiment makes the latest proposal from state Sen. Mike Delph all the more troubling.

The Carmel Republican's bills dating back to 2008 have all had the fatal flaw of arrogating to the state a distinctly federal responsibility of policing the flow of people into the United States. Legal scholars have advised the Indiana General Assembly accordingly, and the Arizona stop-and-interrogate law has been partially blocked by the federal courts.

Delph, nonetheless, would have local and state law enforcement, as in Arizona, demand proof of citizenship or legal residency from anyone they stop for a law or ordinance violation and "reasonably suspect" to be in the country illegally. How this would be done without ethnic profiling, as the bill insists, is far from clear -- and understandably worrisome to those concerned about abuse of Hispanics, who are often subject to knee-jerk assumptions that they're undocumented.

It is hard to argue the legislation is not about Hispanics as such, considering it would make most government communication English-only. How discontinuation of the Spanish option in a state growing ever more cosmopolitan serves justice or commerce is, again, not explained.

Speaking of the economy, Delph's bill does offer the benefit of demanding a study of the cost of illegal immigration to Hoosiers. The research would be sorely lacking, however, if it did not extend to the financial upside of the undocumented population, in terms of taxes paid, consumer goods bought and work produced.

Is the business sector, which opposes Delph's bill, exploiting cheap labor at the expense of jobless legal residents? That question likewise awaits a quantitative answer. Meanwhile, authorizing the state attorney general to investigate, penalize and even close down businesses for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, as called for in Senate Bill 590, is another drastic step into federal territory.

Frustration over Washington's failure to deal with immigration is behind this and other state-level initiatives. The impatience is warranted. The hodge-podge of legally questionable "solutions" is not, especially in light of the limited resources and myriad other challenges states face.

Indiana's lawmakers, in particular, are enduring a months-long rainy day. They have no need to add a storm.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2011011 ... pinion%7Cp

"All these states want a similar immigration laws that mirror Federal Law!"
Maybe they should all be asking for NObama to step down and take his administration with him!

another liberal newspaper trying to stall our advance in the states and they are using the Arizona tragedy to try it.

W

For once the libs are playing defence on this issue

All they have for ammo is whimp sympathy pieces , Nobody is listening to them any more

It's been along time since I've heard those words!

Increased number of states are moving tward putting in laws that will crack down on illegals. This movement is going to continue until a law finally passes the test in the courts. Once that is done then it will be the foundation for all states to follow.Come 2012 and change in administration, we may see a move by the Feds to also increase the pressure on ALL illegals as well as border security reform as well. If Americans continue to push for tighter and get tough policies concerning illegals and the border, then the Feds will respond and will also allow alot more interaction with local law enforcement. The Feds also need to cut funding to any organization, education facility, or social service that supports or gives aid to illegals. That includes public school systems, medical clinics, neighborhood programs, and the list goes on and on.

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http://www.indystar.com/article/2011011 ... y=nav|head

"Delph pitching new bill on illegal immigration

A bill to crack down on immigrants who come here illegally, as well as those who knowingly hire them, has been filed by Sen. Mike Delph, R-Carmel.

Delph, who has pursued legislation in the past to combat the flow of illegal immigrants, is going further than before in this bill. It would also bar the use of any language but English in government offices and forms, with few exceptions, and also bar illegal immigrants from getting in-state tuition or financial aid at Indiana universities.

He also wants the state to calculate what illegal immigration costs Indiana, including for health care, education and law enforcement, and submit it to the federal government for reimbursement. And those businesses which repeatedly are proven to have knowingly employed an illegal immigrant could be put out of business by the state.

Delph said he expects the bill to get a hearing in the Senate on Feb. 2."

Fairly solid and unbiased story. I'd be interested in what they deside the cost is if it passes and want to see how the Feds talk about the bill for failure on the issue. I'd of course laugh my butt off if the cost comes to a very large amount and other states followed suit doing the same sending bills to the Feds for failing to stop the issue.

Originally Posted by BillCunnane

Increased number of states are moving tward putting in laws that will crack down on illegals. This movement is going to continue until a law finally passes the test in the courts. Once that is done then it will be the foundation for all states to follow.Come 2012 and change in administration, we may see a move by the Feds to also increase the pressure on ALL illegals as well as border security reform as well. If Americans continue to push for tighter and get tough policies concerning illegals and the border, then the Feds will respond and will also allow alot more interaction with local law enforcement. The Feds also need to cut funding to any organization, education facility, or social service that supports or gives aid to illegals. That includes public school systems, medical clinics, neighborhood programs, and the list goes on and on.

Amen brother, amen!

Originally Posted by BillCunnane

The Feds also need to cut funding to any organization, education facility, or social service that supports or gives aid to illegals. That includes public school systems, medical clinics, neighborhood programs, and

"LULAC AND LA RAZA!"

Originally Posted by stevetheroofer

It is hard to argue the legislation is not about Hispanics as such, considering it would make most government communication English-only. How discontinuation of the Spanish option in a state growing ever more cosmopolitan serves justice or commerce is, again, not explained.

Perhaps this will help: They came here, we didn't go there. It's their job to learn our language - which, BTW, just happens to be the language of business world wide.
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