Thread: James T. Hodgkinson’s motivation was in part, tax payers’ vs tax getters

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His politics

Hodgkinson's online presence was largely defined by his politics. For example, his public Facebook posts date back to 2012 and are nearly all about his support for liberal politics. He was passionate about tax hikes on the rich and universal health-care.


Socialism, in one way or another, eventually ends in violence.


JWK




The unavoidable truth is, the Bernie Sanders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

There is a Fifth Column/resistance movement in the country which is inspired by tax-getters who are afraid government’s free cheese wagon may come to a grinding halt. Unfortunately, one of the final stages of socialism is open displays of violence which is triggered when tax-payers can no longer be taxed enough to support tax-getters who then resort to violence and mayhem because their free cheese wagon is threatened.

This is a predictable consequence of our federal Constitution being ignored in favor of “democracy” and our federal Constitution’s defined and limited grants of power having been unconstitutionally enlarged to allow our federal government to finance the personal economic needs of the people which in turn divides the country into tax-payers vs tax-getters.

John Adams, a principle force in the American Revolutionary period astutely warned us that "democracy will envy all, contend with all, endeavor to pull down all; and when by chance it happens to get the upper hand for a short time, it will be revengeful, bloody, and cruel...".

We are now witnessing the ugly head of “democracy” and one segment of our nation’s population using their vote to elect representatives who will use the force of government to confiscate, by taxation, the earnings of the most productive wage earners in society, which is then redistributed for the personal economic needs of another group. And this, to those who are interested, is none the less a form of theft even though it is carried out “under forms of law and called taxation”, quoting Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka, 1875.


JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

Time to pass the FairTax and return the power to the people of our beautiful Free Republic. We are not a democracy, we have never been a democracy, we have always been a Free Republic and will continue to be one if we pass the Fairtax.

Also, I've been meaning to post this but have never gotten around to it, so I'll do it now. You hear the term American Exceptionalism. I've been involved in politics, government, political science, economic development and business in one form or another my whole life and not until very recent years have I ever heard this term American Exceptionalism.

I see it used in ways that denote a superiority, a special trait, a characteristic that makes Americans better than people of other countries. That is not what the term means in our language, it does not mean that we are superior, it means that we are unique, which means different, not necessarily better or superior. This is important, because our system works for US, it works for Americans, it works for the way Americans think, operate, analyze, judge, work and find daily satisfaction and domestic tranquility. Our system doesn't work for people who think, operate, analyze, judge, work and find satisfaction in other ways by different means with different objectives. Even in our country, we've had major disputes on the surface usually for business reasons, but once you peel back the facade of the business arguments like those that fostered slavery, Americans all knew slavery was wrong, and with workers, everyone knew unions were needed to protect workers, and everyone knows this massive immigration is destroying our country, and the income tax is evil rotting our wealth like the plague.

For example, typical Americans will proudly announce themselves as independent free-thinking non-conformists, then run out and buy the same guttering, plant the same flowers, install the same roof, buy the same shutters as all their neighbors, but we do it freely, by choice, not by mandate. That is the soul of America, that is the exceptionalism of the United States, uniformity by free will and free choice, not government edicts.

The income tax was a foreign-inspired, foreign-driven attack on American Exceptionalism. And you see the decline of our nation as a consequence of it every single day that it exists. We need to fight for Exceptionalism, in its true meaning, not the false use of it as being superior, but the true meaning of being unique. We are unique because we are a Free Republic of free citizens who for most of our history of only been interested in following each other, doing the right things, using common sense and ingenuity to get things done the best way possible, standing up for the little guy, and feeling satisfied at the end of a hard day's work surrounded by possessions you paid for with the wages you earned.

So what happened to that? The evil work of income redistribution made possible by the Infernal Revenue Code is what happened to that. Taking our country back doesn't mean running big mouths that are strangely seeming to me larger than their heads or the brains in them on our streets in protests, it's using common sense and ingenuity to fix core problems with our systems.

The federal income tax system is the heart and soul of our national decline, and like the 30 million illegal aliens in our country, it's gotta go.

Otherwise there will be absolutely nothing "exceptional" about the United States or the American People, because we will have submitted to the Democratic Socialism that governs most of the world turning US into them instead of the other way around.

Originally Posted by Judy

Time to pass the FairTax and return the power to the people of our beautiful Free Republic. We are not a democracy, we have never been a democracy, we have always been a Free Republic and will continue to be one if we pass the Fairtax.

Judy,

I cannot understand why you continue to promote the "fairtax", H.R. 25, which is a creation of the Washington Establishment which, if adopted, would keep alive Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other "incomes" in addition to violating the rule of apportionment under which our founders agreed that whenever impost, duties and excise taxes were found insufficient to fund our federal government, and Congress decided to enter the states and tax the people directly, each state's share of such a tax would be proportionately equal to its representation in Congress.

Real tax reform, if that is what you want, is found in the following 32 words which would bring us back to our Constitution's original tax plan, as our founders intended it to operate.


The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Tell me, Judy, why do you not support the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which begins with the above mentioned words?


JWK





”If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection [apportionment] could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property.”__ POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN &TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 ,1895.

Because, the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment as I understand it doesn't alleviate government tax mandates. The Feds spend, and the States use their own forms of tax tyranny to collect the revenue for the federal government through property taxes, income taxes, inventory taxes, sales taxes, use taxes, etc., etc., etc.

There is no difference between being a tax slave of a state than a tax slave of the federal government. In the case of the apportionment method, you're a tax slave of both. Only the sales taxes are voluntary, all the other taxes mentioned that are in full play in the states are authoritarian mandated taxes that if not paid take your property, your business, your home, your farm, your land. That is not freedom, that is not exceptional, because it is not unique, it's the age old feudal system.

The apportionment method was never intended or even described as being the ordinary taxing method, quite the contrary, it was put in the Constitution to arrange for emergencies, wars, natural disasters, terrible events that result in required spending above and beyond the revenues of the ordinary taxing method which at the time were tariffs and excise taxes.

If you love freedom, you love the FairTax. If you love convenience, efficiencies and common sense, you love the FairTax. If you love business, jobs, wages, savings, earnings, profits and investment, you love the FairTax. If you love privacy, you love the FairTax. If you love security of your possessions and property, you love the FairTax.

I love the FairTax so much that I want all 50 states to pass their own version of the FairTax to replace all their tax tyrannies. I want our Congress, President and 50 States to set our people and businesses .... free .... from the tyranny of mandated taxation .... and watch US soar, to see the United States be the best it can be as a free nation of free citizens. That was the dream of the Founding Fathers. That was the dream of the American Revolution. That's been the dream of every true American throughout our history. But somewhere along the way, our country was infiltrated with strange and foreign notions derived in authoritarianism, feudal lords and oligarchs. And somehow in 1913, a Democrat Professor President convinced a traitorous Democrat Congress to change our nation from our dream to somebody else's.

All you have to do to understand it is look at the numbers. And it makes no difference how you mandate taxation, through federal income taxes or through apportionment methods forcing states to use their tax tyranny to pay the bills of the federal feudal lords. It makes no difference who collects a mandated tax for the King, whether it is a Federal King or a State King, or oh my God, in the case of the apportionment method, Kings United, it is the mandate itself that is the destructive evil.

That's why I do not support the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment.

Originally Posted by Judy

Because, the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment as I understand it doesn't alleviate government tax mandates. The Feds spend, and the States use their own forms of tax tyranny to collect the revenue for the federal government through property taxes, income taxes, inventory taxes, sales taxes, use taxes, etc., etc., etc.

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The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."


NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the apportioned tax to be laid.


"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."


NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish an annual deficit would be:

States’ population

---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE

Total U.S. Population


The above formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to insure that those states who contribute the lion’s share of the tax are guaranteed a representation in Congress proportionately equal to their contribution, i.e., representation with proportional financial obligation!


Note also that each State’s number or Representatives, under our Constitution is determined by the rule of apportionment:


State`s Pop.
------------------- X House size (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
U.S. Pop.


"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."


NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.


"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.


JWK


“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

I'm all for frugal government, I am not for using mandatory apportionment on states to pay for it unless it is stipulated that no mandatory tax on income, inventory, real property or personal property can be used by states to fund the apportionment. In other words, if your plan provided that the states could only use sales taxes on new goods and services to fund their share of mandatory apportionment then I would agree that is a nice plan. But it doesn't. You might want to suggest it to your folks, because the states are already taking from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.

The founders were right on many things, they knew the tyranny they had overthrown, except they did not hold the states to the same levy. They allowed states to enslave people, and steal their farms, possessions, equipment and roofs over their heads for the payment of property taxes. They eliminated the feudal system on the federal level but robustly preserved it on the state level. Mandated taxes are tyranny whether to the federal government or to the state and local government or to the state and local government for the benefit of the federal government through apportionment.

How do you not see that? Why is it okay to you for the State, City or County to tax the bread of your labor? No government entity in the US should be taxing anything except voluntary purchases of new goods and services at the final retail consumer level. That's what the FairTax does and that's why I like it. I don't like your plan because unless it prohibits it, the states will use their greater tyranny to fund the federal government with mandated taxes. That puts the states and federal government in joint cahoots against the freedom of the people to choose through their voluntary decisions to purchase new goods and services when and how much they pay to support the government. Government should have to work for its revenue by aiding in the prosperity of happy consumers, not collecting it like feudal lords roaming through the villages collecting taxes or burning your huts down. We should have evolved beyond feudalism by now.

But, sigh, it's clear we haven't. At least not yet. It's almost like some people are afraid to actually be free, like the trained elephant that stays tied to a stake with a little rope it could break at any moment it chooses, but never does.

"SAD!"

Originally Posted by Judy

How do you not see that? Why is it okay to you for the State, City or County to tax the bread of your labor?

I'm not ok with that and why I moved my business to Florida! Federalism gave me that choice. It's none of my business how the people of other states raise their revenue.


JWK

Getting back to the original subject, there is a common thread among Socialist Democrats which is now exhibiting itself in violence. The common thread is a fear that our federal government’s free cheese wagon is coming to a grinding halt, and so, they have taken to the streets and are causing mayhem and destruction in addition to murder and felonious assault. Is this not what James T. Hodgkinson’s motivation was in part about ___ tax-payers’ vs tax-getters?

The fact is, our founding fathers’ thinking has been vindicated. To avoid this kind of political faction on a national scale ___ tax-payers vs tax-getters ___ our founders refused to delegate a power in Congress over those “… objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” See Federalist No. 45

Having violated our Constitution and usurped powers not granted, a number of factions have been created by Congress which now threaten mayhem and destruction should their government cheese be ended. And who are the actors included in this? Federally subsidized health-care recipients; federally subsidized food stamp recipients; federally subsidized Section Eight Housing recipients; federally funded unemployment benefit recipients; federally funded student loans and grant recipients; and millions of foreigners who have invaded our borders who are also the recipients of free government cheese.



JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

Originally Posted by johnwk

I'm not ok with that and why I moved my business to Florida! Federalism gave me that choice. It's none of my business how the people of other states raise their revenue.


JWK

Florida has a corporate income tax, taxing the bread of labor.