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    The United States Postal Service (USPS) is an "independent establishment of the executive branch" of the United States Government (see 39 U.S.C. § 201) responsible for providing postal service in the United States. Within the United States, it is colloquially referred to simply as "the post office."

    The USPS is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General.

    TITLE 39 § 201 United States Postal Service

    There is established, as an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, the United States Postal Service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mail
    The United States Postal Service (USPS) is an "independent establishment of the executive branch" of the United States Government (see 39 U.S.C. § 201) responsible for providing postal service in the United States. Within the United States, it is colloquially referred to simply as "the post office."

    The USPS is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General.

    TITLE 39 § 201 United States Postal Service

    There is established, as an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, the United States Postal Service.
    An "independent establishment" of the Executive Branch is not a department of the government, which is why they have come up with as bizarre a terminology as "independent establishment." Other than the IRS or the Federal Reserve, two other private entities with quasi-governmental status, name for me a single governmental agency, bureau or department called an "establishment" of the Executive Branch.

    The USPS is NOT owned by the government. It used to be back when it was the US Postal Department, but has not been since Nixon privatized it.

    As for the Postmaster General, he is not appointed by the President or by Congress, but rather by the Board of Governors of the USPS (Sec. 202(c)). Also, there is an alternate CEO of the USPS who is appointed pursuant Sec. 202(d). Furthermore, appointment by the President of an officer or official of an entity or organization is no evidence that said entity or organization is part of the duly constituted government. The President appoints, with the advice and consent of Congress, the Federal Reserve Chairman, yet it is well established and has been legally proven (by former Texas Congressman Wright Patman among others) that the Federal Reserve is not a part of the government, but is rather a private entity operating in a quasi-governmental capacity. Once it was established that the Executive Branch could create such quasi-governmental entities, all bets were off as to the true nature of a number of "agencies".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

    As for the Postmaster General, he is not appointed by the President or by Congress, but rather by the Board of Governors of the USPS (Sec. 202(c)).
    The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered, and has a similar role to a corporate board of directors. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate (see 39 U.S.C. § 202). The nine appointed members then select the United States Postmaster General, who serves as the board's tenth member, and who oversees the day to day activities of the service as Chief Executive Officer (see 39 U.S.C. § 202 and 39 U.S.C. § 203). The ten-member board then nominates a Deputy Postmaster General, who acts as Chief Operating Officer, to the eleventh and last remaining open seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

    As for the Postmaster General, he is not appointed by the President or by Congress, but rather by the Board of Governors of the USPS (Sec. 202(c)).
    The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered, and has a similar role to a corporate board of directors. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate (see 39 U.S.C. § 202). The nine appointed members then select the United States Postmaster General, who serves as the board's tenth member, and who oversees the day to day activities of the service as Chief Executive Officer (see 39 U.S.C. § 202 and 39 U.S.C. § 203). The ten-member board then nominates a Deputy Postmaster General, who acts as Chief Operating Officer, to the eleventh and last remaining open seat.
    Again, the chairman of the Federal Reserve is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Are you going to try to tell me that the Federal Reserve is part of the government and not a private banking cartel? Again, Wright Patman proved that the Fed was NOT part of the government and went so far as to get the D.C assessor to obtain a lien against the Federal Reserve building on the Washington Mall for unpaid property taxes (only actual government agencies are exempt from the tax unless there is a specific provision of law stating the exemption, as was done when the USPS was privatized). The Fed ended up having to place the building in trust to the federal government in order to avoid getting nailed for the taxes.

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    mdillon1172 wrote:
    add to that the $20 Billion in "remittances" sent to Mexico .... that is a grim picture..... and yet Mexico is also not served well, as many Mexican operations lost THEIR work to cheaper Chinese factories.....
    the net benefit accrues to US corporations like John Deere who produce subassemblies in Mexico and bring them to the US for final assembly or just for resale to the US market...
    I don`t know how many remember the name, "McCullough", but at one time they were at the top of the line on "chainsaws" with "Made in USA" stickers on their equipment. Later they made weed eaters, blowers,ect, with names like "Eager Beaver, Pro Mac,and more. In the early 90`s they moved their Manufactuering to Mexico. Almost every piece of equipment had a sticker on it that said "Assembled in Mexico".
    After moving to Mexico they started going down hill and started cutting cost and lowering quality. In 1998 they went bankrupt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkfarnam
    mdillon1172 wrote:
    add to that the $20 Billion in "remittances" sent to Mexico .... that is a grim picture..... and yet Mexico is also not served well, as many Mexican operations lost THEIR work to cheaper Chinese factories.....
    the net benefit accrues to US corporations like John Deere who produce subassemblies in Mexico and bring them to the US for final assembly or just for resale to the US market...
    I don`t know how many remember the name, "McCullough", but at one time they were at the top of the line on "chainsaws" with "Made in USA" stickers on their equipment. Later they made weed eaters, blowers,ect, with names like "Eager Beaver, Pro Mac,and more. In the early 90`s they moved their Manufactuering to Mexico. Almost every piece of equipment had a sticker on it that said "Assembled in Mexico".
    After moving to Mexico they started going down hill and started cutting cost and lowering quality. In 1998 they went bankrupt.
    They were once so popular that Paul McCartney's Wings guitarist, Jimmy McCullough, was nicknamed "Chainsaw."

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    Jees, with the last 2 Presidents we have had the privilidge of having, maybe we can no longer afford to have any more Presidents, 2 more like this, we wll have nothing left to sell, trade or outsource!
    Build the dam fence post haste!

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    NOT ALL PPL WHO SEND MONEY TO MEXICO ARE ILLEAGAL IMMIGRANTS. SOME AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE FAMILY LIVING THERE OR ECT. U HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT SOME COMPANIES DONT CARE WHAT OTHER PPL THINK BECAUSE ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS BUSSINESS. AND BUSSINESS IS BUSSINESS!!!
    <div align="center">"The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you,"
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    <u><div align="center"><u>WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG</u></div></u>

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    It doesn't matter who is sending the money. The fact is that it is being removed from the American economy and taxes are not being collected on it.

    Mexico takes more than it gives back.

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