Thread: Brits Canada access and illegals...

The Brits have about 60 million to take care of and their system is collapsing.

We have that many in the USA that pay nothing into the system and that is why our rates are so high...insurance and access... We are already socialized in that way. Medical bills for indigents and illegals in entitlement programs like access (which never is talked about) are passed onto insurance premiums and taxes. This cost is reflected in doctor and hospital bills that attempt to cover these losses with excessive billings.

If government takes on total control...the only thing that will change is that it will take twice the amount of money to take on a new bureaucracy of thieves over seeing all the money in the system. This is dooms day for America and a sure path to much much lower health care for everyone.

They keep talking about the uninsured in this country...but no one is denied help and the cost is passed on to the insurance companies. Now...lets talk about what real reform would encompass...

Bottom line...the Dems do not want an American system of free commerce because they want "everyone" to cover all their illegal entitlement programs for none Americans and all all their kids.

Now that is the reality of it all...period. Government needs this bill to cover their illegal progams with yet another illegal program.

Now put that in your Canadian pipe and smoke it... The illegals cost our country 3 times what the health care plan would cost us. That is our "American" problem.

British Healthcare
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It is not the 14th amendment which is the problem it is the interpretation of the citizenship clause which came out of Supreme Court Horace Gray's opinion in the case of Wong Kim Ark vs United States.

Originally Posted by Richard

It is not the 14th amendment which is the problem it is the interpretation of the citizenship clause which came out of Supreme Court Horace Gray's opinion in the case of Wong Kim Ark vs United States.

Richard,
I agree that was a case of Judicial Activism but at the time there really were not any illegal aliens in the USA, if there were I am sure the decision would have been limited to legal immigrants, and if your read their brief that is essentially who the Justices were talking about in the decision.

This is true too. The story of the 14th is a very interesting one at dirtyunclesam.com

We have that many in the USA that pay nothing into the system and that is why our rates are so high...insurance and access... We are already socialized in that way. Medical bills for indigents and illegals in entitlement programs like access (which never is talked about) are passed onto insurance premiums and taxes. This cost is reflected in doctor and hospital bills that attempt to cover these losses with excessive billings.

That is part of the problem. The other major part is that the US governement is already "managing" over 50% of the healthcare. Invariably when the government does pay, be it for Medicare, Medicaid, or Tricare (health care paid for military members and families), it underpays the provider. It ought to be obvious to even the far left folks that if you force providers to give uncompensated care to millions, and under-compensated care to millions more, the providers will do one of three things:

1. Pass the costs on to paying customers (insurance companies and patients paying for their own health care). The result is higher insurance premium costs because the insurance companies pass their additional costs on to their clients.
2. Refuse to take Medicare, Medicaid, or Tricare patients. Result: Fewer providers available for patients using those government programs. This in turn will lead to reduced care, or in some cases, no care. Recent example: Walgreens will no longer fill prescritions for Medicaid patients because of the undercompensation issue.
3. Go out of business altogether. This includes closing of hospitals, clinics and emergency rooms; doctors, both GPs and specialists giving up their practices; nurses and other care-givers leaving the field. Result: More reduced care and expanded areas of no care.

This is the actual health care crisis we have right now, and most of it has been created by the government...not the insurance companies, not the patients, not the providers.....the government. This why the Health Care Bill is so offensive to me. The very people who created the crisis are going to turn it into catastrophe.