Thread: Stop Illegal Immigration NOW Or Immigrants Will Soon Out Vot

Stop Illegal Immigration NOW Or Immigrants Will Soon Out Vote You
By Warner Todd Huston (02/05/0

I have a neighbor named George. He and his family have been great neighbors. We've exchanged gifts, attended parties together, helped each other out from time to time with one thing or another. Our kids have been friends. I like them all. They're really great folks.

However, all but the father and one son out of a family of six are illegal immigrants by way of Mexico.

Last year, two of their sons got caught up by immigration and sent back to Mexico. George's wife moved back to Mexico to be with her sons. George stays here with the eldest boy and their daughter. He works hard and misses his wife. Of course, she cannot come back because she was never a legal resident and has no papers.

It's all a terribly rotten situation for George and his family and I know that I would be highly upset were I in his situation. But, his situation is not unlike that of millions of other families that have a mixture of legal and illegal members living in the U.S.

And therein lies a problem. Yes it is a problem for them, but it is also a problem for anyone interested in stricter border control and enforcing current immigration laws or creating new ones. And it is a problem that looms larger every single day. It is a problem that is born of our own democratic system: Voting.

You see, once a Mexican national (or other immigrant) becomes a legal, voting resident he comes to have his fair, democratic say in the process. Ordinarily, it is a fine thing that a new citizen exercises his newfound duty to become a voter as a new member of our society. But, in this case, if that new voter has illegal immigrant family members, he comes to the polls with a built in prejudice against U.S. sovereignty and border control.

In essence, when asking a newly legalized U.S. citizen to vote on tougher immigration laws, we would be asking him to vote to allow his mother, father, sister or brother to be deported. By asking for this new voter to vote on stricter border laws, we are making it tougher for his extended family, should they be illegals, to visit and work here.

A recent Pew Hispanic Center survey has some interesting results on these issues. The survey asked Hispanics living in the U.S. a battery of questions and their answers reveals a split between the foreign born and those born here in the U.S. But, on several areas the two segments agree.




On the question of drivers' licenses for illegals, the foreign born are 55% in favor of allowing undocumented aliens to get licenses. The native born are 60% against that idea.

89% of the foreign born say that immigrants "strengthen the United States," whereas only 65% of the native born agree with that claim.

76% of the foreign born claim that cheap labor provided by illegal immigrants is good for the U.S. while only 55% of the native born agree.




Notice that the native born are not as welcoming as the foreign born? But, here is the thing. The more foreign born we allow in and who later become citizens, the more apt we are to overpower the native born sentiment.

Here are some more alarming numbers.




53% of registered voters of Latino descent agree with giving licenses to illegals.

43% think there is no reason to decrease the level of immigrants coming into the U.S.A.

And a whopping 84% think legal status should be bestowed on all illegals here.




As the foreign born begin to become legal citizens, their permissive attitudes will naturally grow in number and influence. This favorable attitude toward illegals will find echo in more and more legislation and that legislation will have more and more possibility of passage as the number of voters who feel sympathy with illegals grows.

And the thing is, this is all only natural. After all, once the border is abandoned as it has been and people get used to coming and going as they please, it becomes harder and harder to curb that assumption of a "right" to that open border. Can we really blame the immigrants when our own government has allowed this situation to occur? And can we really blame legal citizens to vote against stringent immigration policies when they have family members here who are illegal or have some that want to come here?

Victor Davis Hanson wrote about this in 2003 in his book Mexifornia, but it seems that his warnings have fallen on deaf ears in the halls of our Federal government. In fact, we have a man running for president on the GOP side that is an open borders advocate and it looks like John McCain is a viable candidate, too. None of this bodes well for U.S. sovereignty.

But, things may be looking up on the state level. Drivers' licenses for illegals is not a winning issue in general and specifically, the states of Oklahoma and Arizona have passed laws that puts more pressure on illegals, inducing many to leave those states.

But, the future beckons to open borders aficionados. The more foreign born Hispanics that they get to become citizens, the more likely that they will get their way. So, all this means that the window to fix this problem is closing bit-by-bit everyday and, in the near future, it will become impossible to reverse the damage to our nation.

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As the foreign born begin to become legal citizens, their permissive attitudes will naturally grow in number and influence. This favorable attitude toward illegals will find echo in more and more legislation and that legislation will have more and more possibility of passage as the number of voters who feel sympathy with illegals grows.






This is not necessarily so. We know many legal immigrants from Mexico, some who have been here for a long time, others for a shorter amount of time. Most have illegal alien family members and/or friends.

The overwhelming majority of them feel no sympathy for illegal aliens.....even their own family members or friends whom they believe do have the choice whether or not to break the law.

These folks are some of the most dedicated and agressive folks there are fighting against illegal immigration.

You have to remember, illegal immigration affects them too in all of the same ways it does anyone else. They have no immunity just because they share a nationality or ethnicity. They also did the waiting in line, paid their costs, and did everything required of them to get here. They don't look kindly upon those who have broken the law.

The real danger, in my opinion, is the anchor babies who are literally being brainwashed by ethnocentric special interest groups.

That is why the logjam in the current naturalization process could be a good thing. If it were made easy to vote a lot of people would be telling friends and family to come here regardless of their legal status.



Thanks for reminding me of the legal immigrants that are as much or more against illegal immigration. My own grandfather had more relatives abroad than were here and not only became an immgration inspector most of the violators where he worked were from his mother's community and a lot of them were related. He was strict when he found anyone even if he sent his regards when sending them back.

But, the future beckons to open borders aficionados. The more foreign born Hispanics that they get to become citizens, the more likely that they will get their way. So, all this means that the window to fix this problem is closing bit-by-bit everyday and, in the near future, it will become impossible to reverse the damage to our nation.

Exactly.......most come here for 1 thing and 1 thing only.....money and benefits. There is no country loyality.....nothing but wanting others to come here and get the benefits without any part of what it took to get them or fund them to begin with. They would turn on this country in a heart beat if they didn't get their way. By the next presidential election a huge number of anchor babies will be voting and just with them alone could change the entire picture. That's why this election is so important to me. If I heard ANY of them speak about concerns for ALL people.....I might not be so concerned.....but it hasn't been like that. It's voting and freedom and rights for just one group. Period. They aren't concerned about poverty....just poverty with hispanics. They aren't concerned about the education system....just education for hispanics. They aren't concerned about affordable housing.....just affordable housing for hispanics. Their mentality isn't for it....it's just how to get it for them. That isn't American or the American way.

Crazybird those are sweeping blanket statements and by result incorrect. I found that I had to tone myself down when azwreath reminded me. There are people on this board who are Latino legal immigrants who are just as much against amnesty as you are. It would be better to say that it should not be possible to speed up the naturalization process just to politically accomodate a lot of Latinos might wish to pass amnesty. The opponents may realize that the other immgrants are not being given an easier time for not being Latino. They have to wait through the process too.

Thanks for reminding me of the legal immigrants that are as much or more against illegal immigration. My own grandfather had more relatives abroad than were here and not only became an immgration inspector most of the violators where he worked were from his mother's community and a lot of them were related. He was strict when he found anyone even if he sent his regards when sending them back.

Richard, thanks for sharing that. That's good.

Originally Posted by crazybird

But, the future beckons to open borders aficionados. The more foreign born Hispanics that they get to become citizens, the more likely that they will get their way. So, all this means that the window to fix this problem is closing bit-by-bit everyday and, in the near future, it will become impossible to reverse the damage to our nation.

Exactly.......most come here for 1 thing and 1 thing only.....money and benefits. There is no country loyality.....nothing but wanting others to come here and get the benefits without any part of what it took to get them or fund them to begin with. They would turn on this country in a heart beat if they didn't get their way. By the next presidential election a huge number of anchor babies will be voting and just with them alone could change the entire picture. That's why this election is so important to me. If I heard ANY of them speak about concerns for ALL people.....I might not be so concerned.....but it hasn't been like that. It's voting and freedom and rights for just one group. Period. They aren't concerned about poverty....just poverty with hispanics. They aren't concerned about the education system....just education for hispanics. They aren't concerned about affordable housing.....just affordable housing for hispanics. Their mentality isn't for it....it's just how to get it for them. That isn't American or the American way.

And yet this is what is being projected in tons of news stories and articles
We know its not true of all hispanics but we are bombed daily with
stories that read "we want health care for OUR commuity" , you are being racist to OUR community , We want perks for OUR community

What are Americans to think when they see this on a daily basis?
Most of us were brought up to believe that American is for EVERYBODY , not just OUR community or THEIR community

Your right Richard....sometimes it's hard to remember that since those that speak for them make it sound like it's a done deal. I'm speaking from the attitude they had when they ousted the black principle from that school in Chicago. She turned a failing school around....got awards....They were the majority, they wanted a hispanic principle....the issues here about insisting on the Latino Neighborhood center even though they were told they could loose government funding because it was supposed to be for anyone who needed help and calling it The Latino neighborhood center was too inclusive...they wanted a more generic name so all would feel welcome....but no. They replaced all people on the board with just hispanics.

I know all hispanics don't feel that way....they're considered traitors when they don't.....it's just the majority of the spokes people for them speak in a very singular form which leaves me with no feeling what so ever that if once they were in the position of power that their concerns would be about the rest of the people here.

All white people weren't members of the KKK but it took time for blacks to realize that and whites crossing the race line to stand up and prove it. I know there are those who aren't like that....we just don't hear much from them....atleast not as much as I would like to hear.

I've read articles in the paper on down the line with sentiments of just attention to the latino community, so even though it's not 100% all that feel that way.....they certainly haven't polished up their language to include anyone else in the picture. They are the ones drawing the race line....not me. I want fair wages...for all.....I'm not saying fair wages for the whites and forget everyone else. I want a better education system. Not a better education for the whites and forget everyone else. I'm concerned about poverty...not just the increasing poverty of white people. Lord knows I'd be racist if I said that. That's all I'm pointing out.

Originally Posted by Richard

That is why the logjam in the current naturalization process could be a good thing. If it were made easy to vote a lot of people would be telling friends and family to come here regardless of their legal status.



Thanks for reminding me of the legal immigrants that are as much or more against illegal immigration. My own grandfather had more relatives abroad than were here and not only became an immgration inspector most of the violators where he worked were from his mother's community and a lot of them were related. He was strict when he found anyone even if he sent his regards when sending them back.

You're welcome Richard.

And I'll thank you for sharing the story about your grandfather! It seems like the only stories we hear about immigration inspectors, etc. these days are when they involve one getting arrested for immigration related bribes, smuggling, or other crimes. It's nice to hear about someone who took pride in their work and did it with loyalty to this country.

Birthright American citizenship should NOT be automatically conferred upon the US-born children of ILLEGALS! They are NOT Americans, they are JUST as ILLEGAL as their PARENTS! THIS would help to solve the problem of anchor baby votes AGAINST America!