Thread: What does everyone really think?

Originally Posted by curiouspat

Sorry, TexasCowgirl, if we lose, globalists are just that! Look at the EU and their immigrant problems.

*sigh* I will do some research if/when I move.

I voted for Bush. Personally, I think there were WMD and I heard they got secretly shipped to Syria. I mean, we gave them 9 months of "warnings" - that's plenty of time to get them out of there. I doubt I would have ever voted for Kerry - he was awful and his wife was worse than him. I eat my freedom fries with mustard. Kerry probably would have already passed amnesty if he had been president - and don't forget how demeaning he is to our troops!

Also, during the last election I was voting for Prop. 200 in Arizona because it seemed at that time the immigration issue was a local thing. Not that I didn't think it was a problem outside of Arizona, but I was really just becoming aware and getting active at that point. It definately didn't have national attention at that point.

If you don't feel that the price of amnesty should be that the R majority loses its majority then you STILL support the betrayal.

If amnesty becomes law I will vote against every R on the ballot on election day 2006.

I hope this doesn't mean that you will vote Democratic? This is what they are counting on.

Kerry promised he would grant amnesty to every illegal alien within 30 days of taking office.

There wasn't any difference between the distant cousins and there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

It is definitely time for a third party. Any fool who listens or evens utters the words that to vote third party is to throw your vote away deserves what they get.

If every Republican or Democratic who is disgusted with the events that are unfolding, voted for a third party whose main platform is no amnesty for illegal aliens and no guest worker programs of any sort. There would be a major victory for said, third party.

All we need is a little backbone ourselves. Forget about those emotional issues that they bring up right before an election that they could care less about, like gay marriage and Roe vs. Wade.

Make this a one issue election for once in your life. The Country you save could be your own.

It's now or never, this is probably our last chance.

IndianaJones
RE:A vote for Kerry could have been much worse

I did a write-in in 2004. Kerry would probably not secure the border but Kerry would NOT have the arm twisting power that Bush has on the R congress. So if Kerry got elected the result would probably be no border security but NO AMNESTY either. Some were saying in 2004 if you want to stop amnesty Kerry with a R congress is the way to do it. They may have been right, but like I said I did a write-in in 2004.

Instead of accepting the "lesser of two evils" we have to put evil against evil until a viable third party emerges which may be soon. You know, treat them like children, one for you and one for you. One party gets congress and the other parts gets the WH and nothing gets done but we probably won't get screwed that much either.

AMEN nittygritty!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know if anyone was listening to John Kerry about immigration when they decided to vote for him but here are a few things that may have been missed....

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Ker ... ration.htm
Let't take a look at John Kerry on immigration:
Restore immigrant benefits lost in 1996 welfare reform
John Kerry supports efforts to restore benefits to legal immigrants. The 1996 welfare reform law made most legal immigrants, including those already in the United States, ineligible for welfare, health care and other essential programs. In the years since, some of these benefits have been restored and John Kerry remains committed to fighting for the full restoration of benefits for legal immigrants.
Source: Campaign website, JohnKerry.com, "Issues" Mar 21, 2004

Expedited citizenship for members of the Armed Forces
John Kerry believes the naturalization process for legal permanent residents serving in the Armed Forces should be expedited, the naturalization filing fee should be waived, and armed service members should be allowed to naturalize overseas. More than 37,000 legal permanent residents serve in the military nationally.
Q: Earned legalization means people who came here illegally could work toward legal status.

KERRY: Sure. Absolutely.

Q: Why would that be fair to all of the people who came legally and are waiting in line to become citizens?

KERRY: I don't think it is a good thing if they are working, if they've paid their taxes, if they've stayed out of trouble to start separating families and destroy the good work they've done through those years to be part of our country.
Q: Should it become easier for undocumented foreign workers in the US to gain legal immigration status?
A: I support an earned legalization proposal that will allow undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they have been in the United States for a certain amount of time, have been working, and can pass a background check.

Source: Associated Press policy Q&A, "Immigration" Jan 25, 2004

Source: Democratic 2004 primary debate at USC Feb 26, 2004

Q: Would you support legalizing undocumented immigrants in this country?
KERRY: Absolutely. I supported and was prepared to vote for amnesty from 1986. And it is essential to have immigration reform. Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who's paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants.
Home » Candidate Comparison » Candidates on Immigration

http://www.fightforthefuture.org/candid ... ration.cfm
John Kerry - Immigration

Immigrants add more than $10 billion each year to the American economy. And this doesn't even count the contributions of immigrant-owned business. We need the energy and enterprise of immigrants -- and that means we need root-and-branch reform of our nation's immigration policy. Not just controls on the future flow of immigrants, but a program of earned legalization for undocumented workers who are already here.

Those who have been in the United States for a significant amount of time, who have held a job, and who can pass a background check should be eligible to earn full citizenship. This makes sense for the economy; it is not only fair to people who have worked long and hard and paid their taxes -- it is the only way to strengthen our homeland security by bringing undocumented workers out of the shadows and into the light of greater accountability.

http://www.nnirr.org/elections/candidat ... lease.html
Today at the National Council of La Raza’s annual conference, John Kerry will continue to talk about his plans to open the doors of opportunity and expand access to the American Dream, including reforming America’s immigration laws.

Kerry strongly supports responsible reform of our immigration laws that honors our tradition as a nation of immigrants and that will make America stronger. Today, our immigration system is broken. Each year, hundreds seeking a better life in our country die in the desert, often at the hands of cruel smugglers. Millions within our borders live and work in hiding, in fear and often abused. President Bush came to office promising a new approach to immigration, but his failure to take real action illustrates his indifference to this issue. His immigration outline, which he still has not formally introduced, would lock immigrant workers into a second-class status, driving down wages and safety standards for all working people in America.

Kerry has a different approach. He will offer a reform bill in his first 100 days that allows immigrants to earn legalization, encourages family reunification, and strengthens our border protections. By reforming our immigration laws, Kerry will honor America’s promise and strengthen America’s economy and security. Kerry will:

Immediately Sign Two Bipartisan Reform Bills

Reward Students Who Study Hard and Play by the Rules. John Kerry strongly supports the DREAM Act, sponsored by Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT), which will give young people who consider the United States their home, who have worked hard in school, and have stayed out of trouble the chance to go to college and pursue their dreams. The DREAM Act has broad bipartisan support and would be law today if George Bush supported it. As President, John Kerry will make it a priority to make the DREAM Act the law of the land.
Offer a Fair Deal for Farmworkers. John Kerry supports the AgJobs bill, which is sponsored by Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) and has 62 Senate cosponsors. This bill will secure the rights and futures for hard-working, honorable agricultural workers and will secure a legal labor force for America’s farmers. Once again, this bill would be law today but for George Bush’s failure to support it. As President, John Kerry will make this law a reality.

Offer Immigration Reform Bill Within 100 Days
In his first hundred days, John Kerry will also offer a comprehensive immigration reform bill with four basic components. And Kerry will work tirelessly until reform has become law.

Earned Legalization. Under John Kerry’s approach, undocumented workers who have lived and worked here for 5 years, who pay taxes, and who are successfully screened for security purposes will have a path to citizenship. Kerry will also expand opportunities to learn English and obtain civic education classes to help immigrants assume all of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship.
Reuniting Families. Kerry will eliminate the massive administrative backlog and delay that has left many families unnecessarily divided for a decade or more. Our Nation’s immigration system must be able to more quickly reunite husbands with wives, parents with children. Legal permanent residents seeking to reunify with spouses and children must be provided a fair and efficient process to do so.
Visa Program with Worker Protections. Kerry will establish a secure channel for a limited number of temporary workers to come into the United States. To protect all working people in the United States, Kerry will ensure that these temporary workers have the protections of U.S. employment and labor laws, including fair wage protections. These protections must be rigorously enforced.
Stronger Border Security. As an integral part of his reform, John Kerry will reach an accord with neighboring countries to improve security along our borders and stop illegal smuggling. He will improve our nation’s security databases and watchlists and better control the borders to ensure that people who intend to harm us cannot cross our borders.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm
Temporary workers ok, and earned amnesty ok. (Oct 2004)
A guest-worker program alone won't solve the problem. (Oct 2004)
Restore immigrant benefits lost in 1996 welfare reform. (Mar 2004)
Expedited citizenship for members of the Armed Forces. (Mar 2004)
Earned legalization for immigrants to keep families together. (Feb 2004)
Earned legalization for undocumented immigrants. (Jan 2004)
Amnesty to anyone here over 5 or 6 years. (Sep 2003)
Voted NO on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 199
Voted NO on visas for skilled workers. (May 199
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

http://www.aaiusa.org/kerry_immigration.htm
As president, I would immediately sign the AgJobs and DREAM Act bills…More importantly, I will also do what this administration has failed to do in its nearly four years in office: I will address the issue of the millions of undocumented immigrants who labor, often abused, in the shadows of our country…By reforming our immigration laws, creating and keeping jobs in America, making health care more accessible and providing a path to higher education, we will honor America’s promise.” (Statement, August 28, 2004)


(Kerry Statement on New Immigration Policies) “Bush's policy rewards business over immigrants by providing them with a permanent pool of disenfranchised temporary workers who could easily be exploited by employers. Bush's proposal fails to address the plight of immigrants coming to work in the United States by not providing a meaningful path to becoming legal permanent residents. And if Bush is really concerned about the plight of immigrants coming to work in the United States he should tell his party to stop the heartless and divisive politics the Republican Party is employing in California to get a new Prop 187 on the ballot for next year's election, and a similar effort in Arizona to victimize immigrants for the failures of government and an unstable economy.

“As president, I will support sensible reform of our immigration system that protects workers and also provides employers with the employees that they need. I will immediately resume our dialogue with President Fox and put in place an earned legalization program that will allow undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they have been in the United States for a certain amount of time, have been working, and can pass a background check. This makes sense for the economy, provides fairness to people in our communities who have worked hard and paid taxes, and will also allow us to strengthen our homeland security by bringing undocumented workers out of the shadows and into the light of greater accountability.” (Statement, January 7, 2004)

You see it isn't a Rep. Dem. thing, it is a government thing....Bush may be an completly wrong on this one, but I am one hell of a happy camper that since 9/11 there has been no other attacks on America and I can go to sleep at night knowing I am safe...now with this immigration thing, I'm not sure of that any more, not from outside attacks but attacks from within our country with all the crime illeagls are bringing to this country. But it would have been the same with Kerry, make no mistake of that....

darlene,
RE:Kerry promised he would grant amnesty to every illegal alien within 30 days of taking office.


Really? Please explain how he could do that, since CONGRESS must pass amnesty. With a R congress that would not happen. Clinton tried and the R congress would not give it to him. A president can not pass amnesty by himself.

That might be the procedure, but those are his words.

swtncgram,

Same question. How can a president pass amnesty by himself without congress?

I agree this is more about the Survival of our American Heritage and Sovereignty. The Senate just showed they care about neither, but what really bothers me is the apathy the bulk of americans are dislaying concerning their own futures as well as their Childrens. In my opinion, matters of this importance such as Immigration should no longer be left up to the Senate or the Congress to decide, but should be put up on a National Referendum for the american people to decide directly. It's apparent that the Senate and the Congress can no longer be trusted to carry out the will of the American people. We have crossed a threshhold here historically, i think its time for a dramtic change in our government.

DROP IT GUYS.........take it somewhere else. It doesn't belong here

GET IT

Right you are - DCsA
Well Said!!!

Same question. How can a president pass amnesty by himself without congress?

I only posted what was on John Kerry's web site, and Associated Press during his campaign.....I didn't say he could pass amnesty by himself, I posted the sites where I found what he was saying.

This site is not for arguing about which side of the fence was right or wrong, it's for the mess this country is in right now with immigration. But don't think for one minute that if the other side of the fence were in office we would not be facing the same thing. When a politician tells you "trust me"...you best not. Just as when a foreigner refers to you as "his friend"...you better find out whats up his sleeve.